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Look at the [RE: TheCow] ...
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Excuse me if I'm being thickheaded, but what are you referring to by [RE: TheCow]? The first post? The third post?
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The original post.
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That's true, but don't you have any compassion for the weak minded?
No, at least not in the way you might think. Most are weakminded because they intend it.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Icelander]
#7901974 - 01/19/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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So you mean to say that we are always exactly aware of what we are doing, even if we aren't admitting it? I agree with that (even if you choose not to make a choice, you still have made a choice)
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No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that most folk are emotionally lazy (this includes myself). If someone comes on here spouting and I shoot them down there is no harm done to them. In fact there is a potential for awakening and if they felt so bad as to choose to kill themself rather that endure the embarrassment of being seen as wrong or silly then that's good for the gene pool. So it's win/win.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Icelander]
#7902210 - 01/19/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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there is a potential for awakening and if they felt so bad as to choose to kill themself rather that endure the embarrassment of being seen as wrong or silly then that's good for the gene pool. So it's win/win.
I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Diploid]
#7902323 - 01/19/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm not so convinced that people's emotional states, i.e someone being overly emotional is necessarily bad for the gene pool or even has much of a correlation to genes.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: TheCow]
#7902348 - 01/19/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Overly emotional people make decisions based on emotions instead of facts or reasoned thought. If that only affected them, well alright. Unfortunately, it also affects me.
Overly emotional people are why marijuana is illegal even though it's demonstrably far less harmful than alcohol. The decision to keep it criminalized is a direct result of emotion trumping logic.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Diploid]
#7904014 - 01/19/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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However you are relating different things. Someone getting worked up and becoming suicidal is not the same as someone having faith in the intrinsic wrongness of something. You are purposely trying to claim that emotion governs everything, and so therefore anything that is bad is emotional. The reasons marijuana is illegal are far more complicated than a group of emotional people who are banded together. They run much deeper and I am surprised you would offer up such a simplistic answer. Your original contention was that emotional people are inherently emotional due to their genes, therefore suicides are not bad because it gets rid of those genes. I was skeptical if that was true, and still am quite skeptical. Most suicidal people I know group up in extremely fucked up households, and their parents are violent. Is this violence emotional to you? If so, I think you need to clarify what it is you mean by emotion as clearly it encompasses far more than I think it does.
My only point earlier was that we have the possibility to fuck with emotional people on a forum. I made no moral call in relation to them, just that it was possible. As far as it being good that they kill themselves, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: TheCow]
#7904153 - 01/20/08 12:00 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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If the people who wanted marijuana to be illegal had valid reasons, then they would not need to constantly use emotionally charged words to work up the populace such as:
garden = lab or factory
sales = trafficking
retailer = dealer
pipe = drug paraphernalia
successful businessman = drug kingpin
and so on.
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You seem to be confusing propaganda with suicidal emotional tendencies, its alright though, I won't hold it against you
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: TheCow]
#7904164 - 01/20/08 12:06 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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You focking mocked me. 
*Shmoopy dials Suicide Prevention Hotline*
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OrgoneConclusion said: If the people who wanted marijuana to be illegal had valid reasons, then they would not need to constantly use emotionally charged words to work up the populace such as:
garden = lab or factory
sales = trafficking
retailer = dealer
pipe = drug paraphernalia
successful businessman = drug kingpin
and so on.
And Cannabis = Mari Juana (a girl in cuba that conjured associations with "dirty mexicans")
It was about $. The paper companies could make more $ from trees than hemp, it really had nothing to do with the drug.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Middleman]
#7904476 - 01/20/08 02:00 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I would be most interested in seeing any data on cases of suicide in direct relationship with communication via online forums... I'm not sure whether it has happened or not, although I'm quite convinced that it's a possibility.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: TheCow]
#7904764 - 01/20/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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you can jump onto any forum, seriously fuck someones emotional state up, and then log off
There are many people who simply won't do that. But yes, for those who do the Internet is a kind of Asshole Academy.
There are two sides to the story: for the number of people who use the web to act out as an asshole, there is a group of people who get disenchanted towards humanity because of this.
Being an Internet bitch truly makes the world a slightly less wonderful place to be, because it brings negativity in peoples minds that would not have come out otherwise. The thought that "its just the internet" and that no harm comes of it is erroneous. The more seconds of your life you spend acting like an asshole, and the more people you do this towards, the more of a real life asshole you have become.
Real or Virtual is illusory. It is ALL the real world. You are using real words and real psychological tactics to elicit real emotions in others.
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The fact that most kids today are raised on bulletin boards and flaming, yet in real life they have to be nice?
For many kids "being nice" comes natural. In fact most children come into this world being nice people, until bad experiences distort their personality. Getting flamed and ridiculed on forums and being subjected to harassment and shock pics which would traumatize people if the events depicted would happen to them in real life certainly are bad influences.
A hateful internet bitch is a psychological victimizer just like a schoolyard bully or workplace tormentor.
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What are the social ramifications of this do you think?
Because the internet takes away inhibitions in many, there is more victimizing behavior in the world and thus more victims. The world is worse off, more people are being hurt than would have been otherwise, and more people are learning to behave as assholes.
Because of exposure to socially inappropriate behavior and shock pics, people are psychologically numbed and more indifferent to incoming stimuli. They desensitize to stimuli and get less connected to their feelings, they care less and need stronger stimuli to get a reaction. This inevitably carries over to the offline world.
Loved the rating by the way
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Asante]
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Being an Internet bitch truly makes the world a slightly less wonderful place to be, because it brings negativity in peoples minds that would not have come out otherwise.
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Because the internet takes away inhibitions in many, there is more victimizing behavior in the world and thus more victims. The world is worse off, more people are being hurt than would have been otherwise, and more people are learning to behave as assholes.
Is it all because of the internet? Because you kind of make it sound so. And then what would be the difference between those who say "it's because of drugs that we have so many addicts/rapes/murders" or "it's because of the internet..."
It's not because of the internet, it's because of people who are unable to control themselves and their emotions, and each of these experiences can also be used in helping one understand better who they are and how to grow. I think it's good to outline this matter because we need to redirect this bad image from "what internet does" back where it belongs, to what some people do/are.
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It's not because of the internet, it's because of people who are unable to control themselves and their emotions, and each of these experiences can also be used in helping one understand better who they are and how to grow. I think it's good to outline this matter because we need to redirect this bad image from "what internet does" back where it belongs, to what some people do/are.
My thoughts exactly. The Internet provides opportunity to be an asshole. Opportunity doesn't do a thing in itself, it is entirely passive. Responsibility lies with the users of the web, members, mods and admins alike.
Don't take freedom of expression away, turn against those who abuse it.
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Re: Forum mentality [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Loved the rating by the way
haha,
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