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Re: WTF? amazon.com/gp/site-directory/ [Re: fastfred]
    #7932389 - 01/25/08 09:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> WTF is this? Is this a problem with my browser or do you guys have something going on with amazon?\

I don't see any connections to Amazon when I click on that link, even after I enabled banner ads.

I also agree with Ythan that its not a big deal.

This is what I see when I click the link you provided:


alan@southord:~$ sudo tcpdump -lnieth1 -s0
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode
listening on eth1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 65535 bytes
20:48:00.139972 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60040: F 3548352934:3548352934(0) ack 583330751 win 2357 <nop,nop,timestamp 309193925 45257064>
20:48:00.176543 IP 10.0.0.16.60040 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 1 win 432 <nop,nop,timestamp 45260823 309193925>
20:48:00.982733 IP 10.0.0.16.60040 > 69.28.174.162.80: F 1:1(0) ack 1 win 432 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261024 309193925>
20:48:00.982944 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: S 610299151:610299151(0) win 5840 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 45261024 0,nop,wscale 4>
20:48:01.022790 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60040: . ack 2 win 2357 <nop,nop,timestamp 309194808 45261024>
20:48:01.025148 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: S 3562020036:3562020036(0) ack 610299152 win 5792 <mss 1460,sackOK,timestamp 309194810 45261024,nop,wscale 2>
20:48:01.025230 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 1 win 365 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261035 309194810>
20:48:01.025518 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: P 1:787(786) ack 1 win 365 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261035 309194810>
20:48:01.078379 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: . ack 787 win 1841 <nop,nop,timestamp 309194863 45261035>
20:48:01.094018 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: . 1:1441(1440) ack 787 win 1841 <nop,nop,timestamp 309194875 45261035>
20:48:01.094093 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 1441 win 546 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261052 309194875>
20:48:01.095826 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: P 1441:2715(1274) ack 787 win 1841 <nop,nop,timestamp 309194875 45261035>
20:48:01.095851 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 2715 win 726 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261052 309194875>
20:48:02.195102 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: P 787:1504(717) ack 2715 win 726 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261327 309194875>
20:48:02.249607 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: P 2715:3311(596) ack 1504 win 2234 <nop,nop,timestamp 309196033 45261327>
20:48:02.249687 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 3311 win 906 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261341 309196033>
20:48:02.308303 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: P 1504:2224(720) ack 3311 win 906 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261355 309196033>
20:48:02.362208 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: P 3311:3907(596) ack 2224 win 2627 <nop,nop,timestamp 309196145 45261355>
20:48:02.362295 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 3907 win 981 <nop,nop,timestamp 45261369 309196145>
20:48:07.244890 arp who-has 10.0.0.16 tell 10.0.0.1
20:48:07.244927 arp reply 10.0.0.16 is-at 00:04:76:46:53:b0

20:48:17.359337 IP 69.28.174.162.80 > 10.0.0.16.60041: F 3907:3907(0) ack 2224 win 2627 <nop,nop,timestamp 309211146 45261369>
20:48:17.397614 IP 10.0.0.16.60041 > 69.28.174.162.80: . ack 3908 win 981 <nop,nop,timestamp 45265128 309211146>

23 packets captured
23 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
alan@southord:~$
alan@southord:~$ n 69.28.174.162
Server: 207.7.4.6
Address: 207.7.4.6#53

Non-authoritative answer:
162.174.28.69.in-addr.arpa canonical name = 162.shroomery.174.28.69.in-addr.arpa.
162.shroomery.174.28.69.in-addr.arpa name = shroomery.org.

Authoritative answers can be found from:
shroomery.174.28.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = crackrock.us.
shroomery.174.28.69.in-addr.arpa nameserver = ns.shroomery.org.
ns.shroomery.org internet address = 69.28.174.163

alan@southord:~$

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Re: WTF? amazon.com/gp/site-directory/ [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7952580 - 01/29/08 08:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

While I acknowledge its the shroomery's right to do so, I think it would be nice if the privacy policy and another site page would have disclosed this.


as it stands now, the privacy policy says:

"We may provide aggregate user information to third parties such as advertisers, but no personally identifiable information will be made available."

By any definition, your IP is a personally identifiable info, and the shroomery is initiating the transfer of this data to the third party via placing the banner ad.

In my opinion, the shroomery should change their privacy policy to reflect the fact that they have mechanisms by which the user is induced to send their IP address to third-pary advertisers which then engage in targeted advertising.


Again, I'm not saying this is particularly troubling, but for those of us without much tech-knowledge, it would be nice to have a privacy policy that was more clear, and in my understanding, as of now it isn't accurate ( I don't think it matters that the user is the one transmitting his IP address, not the shroomery, as it is the shroomery that embeds the code which induces the user to do so).


But on another note, I think this site is pretty cool in that this thread wasn't closed.  Alot of other sites would have said "it's none of your buisness" and closed it, so thanks.  Its nice that the admins aren't so sensitive w/ criticism that stuff like this can be complained of w/out reprisal. :thumbup:

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Re: WTF? amazon.com/gp/site-directory/ [Re: johnm214]
    #7954814 - 01/30/08 08:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's a very good point, I added this to our privacy policy:

Quote:

Third Parties:
Like many websites, The Shroomery may display ads which are provided by third parties and hosted on domains we do not control. In such a situation, the third party would be capable of logging your IP and technical information when the ad is displayed. We will only accept hosted ads from established, responsible third parties who themselves have a published privacy policy. To prevent third party advertisers from receiving your information, you must access the site through a proxy server. Alternately, supporters have the option of disabling all banner advertising.




We really do try to take constructive criticism to heart. We're always courting new advertisers to help make ends meet, but our loyalty lies first and foremost with our members. :smile: Thanks everyone for your understanding and sorry for the omission in the privacy policy!

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Re: WTF? amazon.com/gp/site-directory/ [Re: Ythan]
    #7958034 - 01/30/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> We really do try to take constructive criticism to heart.

I know you do. that's why I posted. I hope you take it as a compliment that I even bothered to bring it up.

Any cance of getting a list put in of places that might be getting this info?


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