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Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08
    #7897024 - 01/18/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

So I'm growing Kanna and now I'd like to try some to see what it does. I'm not sure how to prepare it but this is the procedure as I've seen it so far. I only want to make enough for a few doses to see if I like it or not and I plan on smoking it with some ganja since I've heard good things about that combo.

1. Chop up leaves, roots and stems
2. Place in jar and seal up
3. Leave for a week or so
4. Empty out jar and dry contents
5. Grind up and enjoy!

Is sealing it up and fermenting it necessary? Does fermentation actually take place and if so should I use an airlock to release pressure?
How do you folks prepare your Kanna??


I plan on using about half of this plant.


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: peruvian spark]
    #7897218 - 01/18/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Your idea is pretty much accurate. Fermentation is key, and should be done in sunlight. An airlock is not necessary. However, since kanna is a lot of water weight, you'll indeed lose much water if you chop your leaf portions before-hand. I reccommend placing the watery leaf portions in a plastic bag, and mushing them up as much as possible, then on the side grind up your drier portions of material (stem and root)... combine the two, either in the bag, or a jar... a bag works fine.. this is what I've always done. Leave it sealed, in the sunlight, for a week or so... it'll gain a rather interesting smell, some like it some don't... I do! I'd also recommend, each day, mushing and mixing the contents up, that way your end product is generally uniform. After a week in the sun, it'll be mostly a bag of green, strange-smelling liquid... pour it onto an evaporating plate, preferably glass, and let it dry. Scrape it up, and it's ready to use. Depending on what way you plan on using it, you may want to grind the resulting dried product again for finer consistency. Hope this helps!


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: emeryg89]
    #7897285 - 01/18/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

That helps a lot. Thank you! I'll be trying it out very soon.


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: peruvian spark]
    #7897914 - 01/18/08 03:45 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

exactly why does kanna need to be fermented? cant u just cure and smoke like ganja or salvia?


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7898736 - 01/18/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

The curing is the fermentation... curing ganja is roughly the same process... roughly, but you're dealing with very different active chemicals here, thus the process is roughly different... the natives typically know best, and the process I gave above is a native fermentation process, except for the fact they use different sealed containers other than plastic bags ;-) Enjoy!


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: emeryg89]
    #7898764 - 01/18/08 07:12 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

ok... i guess

i have a question of my own... more about the cultivation

would kanna like hydroponics? (my current setup is dwc)


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7899034 - 01/18/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

My kanna likes it dry. I don't think it would do too good in a hydro setup. I treat it like an aloe.


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: peruvian spark]
    #7899055 - 01/18/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

hmm then i might reconsider it and devote more resorces to weed then

any psychoactive i prefer to grow in hydro.... dont ask me why thats just a quirk of mine lol


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7920017 - 01/23/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah, just grow it in a free-draining pot with some good fertile soil... I've found it to grow awesome in a mainly composted horse manure mixture... even if it retains some moisture it's fine... I've actually found kanna grow very fast in full sunlight (indoors) watered about every other day... many places say to water much less, but then they grow much slower... the difference is that the fast growing method produces a lot more water weight, whereas the other method produces more stemmy hard matter... I'm not sure if either way is preferable for a better chemical makeup or not. The way I do it works fine, but I've never sampled kanna grown in it's natural, dry environment.


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: emeryg89]
    #7920282 - 01/23/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

any psychoactive i prefer to grow in hydro.... dont ask me why thats just a quirk of mine






That's dumb.

Try growing peyote that way....

Organic is the best way to go, always, IMHO.


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7920355 - 01/23/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

He didn't say it was the best, he just said he preferred it.


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    #7920468 - 01/23/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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Re: Kanna questions [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #7920504 - 01/23/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

To each his own...


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7920527 - 01/23/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

... i never said i wanted to grow peyote in hydro, so why are you jumping down my throat?

its just a personality quirk, if its proven itll grow better in soil ill grow it in soil, but i prefer hydro cause its easier for me to keep track of

in conclusion, take a walk, noone was talking to you


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Re: Kanna questions [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #7920560 - 01/23/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Well alrighty then.


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: peruvian spark]
    #8051461 - 02/21/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

OK, I finally got around to preparing this stuff. I took a pretty good amount of it and chopped it up good. I then dumped the mix into a gallon baggy and set it in the corner of my growroom under the 1000watt hps. After a day or so it started to liquify and after a week it started to turn just slightly brown. I squished it around every day. On day 9 I poured the contents of the bag onto a plate and let it dry. It never really smelled bad until it started drying out, then it pretty much reeked up the whole basement. Now that its all the way dry it doesn't smell too bad. Im going to grind it up later tonight and give it a try this weekend. I've been looking forward to trying out this new herb!



Does this look pretty much how it should? I haven't ground it up yet so theres still pieces in there. The smell is just a little funky but nothing I can't handle. I'm going to end up smoking it with some good herb so that should cover up any nasties if it ends up tasting bad.


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: peruvian spark]
    #8054148 - 02/21/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What is kanna? i haven't heard of this plant before? What chemicals does it contain?


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: xpaciscool]
    #8054435 - 02/21/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Kanna, sceletium tortuosum, its a succulent that contains the alkaloids mesembrine, mesembrenone, mesembrenol and tortuosamine

mesembrine is an extremely potent seretonin reuptake inhibitor, that is the primary method of action


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8054808 - 02/22/08 12:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

for comparison are there any other seretonin reuptake inhibitors that are better known? I mainly ask as to know how dangerous this stuff is


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #8055237 - 02/22/08 05:13 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

As long as your'e not taking any MAOI's this stuff shouldn't be dangerous at all.

Some examples of prescription SSRI's are prozac, zoloft, ect.


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Re: Kanna questions *** Updated on 2/21/08 [Re: peruvian spark]
    #8055485 - 02/22/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the main difference is that this isnt an SSRI, just an SRI, like amphetamine acts as a DRI

its effects are empathogenic, it works in a similar way tho mdma, that is, it increases the amount of seretonin availible in your brain

its not really like prozac and such other than its method of action

its about as toxic as mescaline or caffeine i believe (barely toxic at all)


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