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Flu shots?!?
    #7896650 - 01/18/08 09:23 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I was reading in this hippie rag that flu immunizations for children to enter public schools are actually large doses of Mercury that are labled under different terms, anyone done some research on this?


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896678 - 01/18/08 09:30 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I dont know about flu shots but for a long time we used Thimerisol (which is a mercury based agent) in many of our vaccinations. Then we stopped using it because parents were upset about it and the potential for it to be a cause of autism. However those vaccines are still being shipped to other countries.

However, I would not be totally suprised if Thimerisol is being used in flu shots. I'll look for some information on it.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896762 - 01/18/08 09:58 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

It's hard to imagine that they are "large" doses of mercury...when the shot they give is so small...


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: trendal]
    #7896776 - 01/18/08 10:03 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

No more then, whats in fish.I get one every year..


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896794 - 01/18/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I doubt that mercury would be allowed in vaccinations/flu-shots these days as it's highly toxic.

One thing that still keeps me away from flu shots is that every so often, I'll hear about some terrorist scare where the vacine was contaminated with HIV or some radiactive substance.
Most of the time, that's not true, but it's still enough to make me paranoid and overly cautious.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7896801 - 01/18/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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I doubt that mercury would be allowed in vaccinations/flu-shots these days as it's highly toxic.




i used to say that about our water, but it is weird what they let slide. not to say anything is highly toxic in our water.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896833 - 01/18/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/thimerosal.htm

Now most places say that it is not harmful. However I have nannied for a family that has 2 children with autism. The mother is a strong supporter of DAN's philosophy (defeat autism now) which concludes that Thimerosal is a determining factor for autism. My opinion on the matter is extremely bias. THat being said, dont just assume that it is not toxic (because last time I checked mercury was a neurotoxin)...but also...dont assume that it has a large effect either.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #7896861 - 01/18/08 10:25 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Thank you for sharing that info. Kudos for helping those kids.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896888 - 01/18/08 10:31 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

If anything, kudos to them for changing my life. I'm so fortunate to have found that family.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: peepeepottypants]
    #7896899 - 01/18/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

:heartpump:


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: schmutzen]
    #7896967 - 01/18/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22542677/

This is a pretty good article. In California they banned thimerosal in vaccines and their autism rate still kept climbing.

Personally I doubt that autism is caused by vaccinations.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: minesstudent]
    #7897005 - 01/18/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I understand that we dont use thimarisol in childhood vaccines for the most part anymore.

The stance is that children have a genetic predisposition as to whether mercury will effect them.

I'm going to do this off the top of my head because I cant find the article at the moment...

But when a child is born they are give one of three chromosomes from each parent to help move heavy metals out of the body. if the child inherets a chromosome that does not move heavy metals from each parent, than the child will be far more effected by heavy metals brought into the body. And heavy metals are not just limited to Thimarisol. As has been mentioned our water and our seafood often contain a level. Tuna in particular is pretty high, in fact they warn pregnant mothers not to eat it at all, (and it happened to be what the mother I work with ate a lot of when her second child was inutero...and that child is far more severe than the first)

Along with genetic research that has been interest in common mutations amongst children with autism, giving more speculation to genetics. Research is really leaning hard on the genetic aspect now.

Also, from what I understand DAN's position is multifaceted including the genetic aspect.

But there are many other issues with autism because children with autism often experience a range of other problems including epilepsy and something called leaky gut syndrome.

I tend to sway towards the mothers side because Ive seen the effects of her treatments proposed by DAN. But, just because those things work, doesnt mean they know the root cause.

Thanks for sharing a counterpoint.


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    #7897622 - 01/18/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

from Natural Solutions Foundation.. ..

ANONYMOUS WHISTLE BLOWER --
"ACTIVE INGREDIENT.. . MERCURY"

PLEASE FORWARD VERY WIDELY
CLAIMING TO BE A "MERCK" INSIDER, INTERNET POSTER SPILLS THE TOXIC BEANS:
MERCURY IS THE MAGIC INGREDIENT IN FLU VACCINE - THAT'S WHY IT IS THERE!

"The active ingredient in all flu vaccines manufactured by Merck is mercury. No other ingredient in any Merck flu vaccine has any effect on influenza in any way."

READ THE STEAMING EXPOSE, GET MAD AND THEN GET INVOLVED WITH THE NATURAL SOLUTIONS FOUNDATION'S LEGAL STRATEGY TO TAKE COMPULSORY VACCINATION DOWN!
In the fairy tale, the hero stands perplexed at the sheer face of the mountain with no way in and no way up. Suddenly, just when it appears hopeless, a door magically appears in the stone wall and his way openes before him.
I had pretty much the same feeling of a magical opening when a supporter sent me an email with a link that she thought I might be interested in. I read with shock and horror, but not disbelief, that mercury IS the ACTIVE INGREDIENT in flu vaccine and that "M", the maker of vaccine-laced flu shots, knows all of the terrible things it does to people who are vaccinated, including children, but uses it anyway.
We cannot confirm that this is really from an insider, nor are we certain that the mechanism of action of mercury as described is correct, but we need to pay attention to what "Steve" (not his real name) is saying:
"Without mercury, flu vaccines are less effective than one cup of herbal tea. With mercury, the vaccine is very effective at killing nerve cells and more effective than one cup of herbal tea in preventing the flu. In fact almost as many vaccinated people get the flu as the normal population.. .."
"Mercury kills nerve cells. When the nerve cells in the brain are die, the result is attention deficit, autism, behavioral disorders, bipolar, brain tumors and cancer, decreased intelligence, hyperactivity and memory problems. Flu doesn't cause any of these things. Before mercury was added to flu vaccines all of these conditions were very rare...."
"Immediately after we started adding mercury to the vaccines, the number of reports claiming children were developing asthma post vaccine increased several hundred-fold. The current odds are 13 out of every 100 children vaccinated with anything containing mercury will report asthmatic symptoms within thirty days. Once reported, these symptoms rarely remit. One out of eight children being vaccinated for flu will develop asthma, asthma-like symptoms and cystic fibrosis that remains with them for life. That's the current odds. This would make a very good court case except for one thing. "M" is immune to lawsuits for their flu vaccines thanks to the FDA. You can't sue "M" for any side effect of their flu vaccine - no matter how gross their negligence. Here's a sample of what happens because they add mercury to their flu vaccines and that's grossly negligent and should be criminal. But it isn't."
Click here (http://www.healthfr eedomusa. org/index. php/?p=476) to read the whole expose. And once you have read it, get ready to take COMPULSORY flu vaccines down.
"The government should never have the power to require immunizations or vaccinations"
Dr. Ron Paul in response to the Natural Solutions Foundation's Health Freedom Score Card
Here's the Legal Background
Under the traditional interpretation of the Constitution, public health decisions are part of the state's responsibilities.
Thus, requiring compulsory vaccination of children in order to allow them to attend public school is a policy which developed state by state, with each state writing its own exemption requirements as well. In recent years, however, under the guise of "national security", the federal authorities granted themselves ultimate authority over public health care, especially in case of a government-declared emergency.
While the CDC still only "recommends" vaccinations to the states which then choose to impose them, in the event of an "emergency" the federal authorities have clearly signaled their intent to require whatever medications choose. There are no religious or other exemptions expected under such emergency circumstances. It is imperative that we create a legal case to make any such mandatory compulsory vaccination illegal and uninforceable.
Here's the Legal Gameplan
Because compulsory vaccination is such an immenent and significant threat to our freedom and our health, we have to act in three directions at once...
(1) We need to help as many families as possible qualify for whatever exemptions may be available. That's why we are creating the Vaccine Exemption eBook, available mid January, 2008. *
(2) We need to engage in strong and precedent-setting litigation in Maryland and New Jersey where important court tests of personal liberty and privacy are possible. Although you may not live in those states, judges generally follow rulings in similar cases in other states so precedents can be established that can mitigate or eliminate the vaccine threat throught the entire country.
(3) We need to educate our representatives and decision makers on the importance of having state and national laws protecting conscientious objection to any compulsory vaccination. Right now, most of them** still believe that vaccination is good, that its benefits far outweigh any dangers it might pose and, most inaccurately of all, that vaccination works. And they think that these uninformed beliefs give them the authority to impose this threat on you and your children. We have to change these beliefs and make it clear that neither in school situations nor in alleged "emergencies" does the government have the right to impose compulsory vaccination or other treatments on us.
We call upon all legislators to support
Vaccination Free Choice Protection Acts!
http://salsa. democracyinactio n.org/o/568/ t/1128/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=21833
Here's Your Part
There are three very important things you can do right now-
1. Forward this email far and wide and ask people to read it and join the Health Freedom eAlert list (http://www.healthfr eedomusa. org/index. php?page_ id=187) by going to www.HealthFreedomUS A.org and clicking on the tab that says "Join our email list"! We must grow our eAlert List. Alone we are just "voices crying in the wilderness" -- together we are powerful enough to speak truth to power - and have power listen! You know how much we've been accomplishing. Imagine how loud a voice we would have if there were a million people on this eAlert List!
2. Help support litigation to protect children where they are most vulnerable. Please email dr.laibow@gmail. com with ANGEL in the subject line if you are willing and able to help bankroll at least a significant portion of the critical law suits in Maryland and New Jersey to respond to the recent forced vaccination horror stories there. Your contributions are, as always, tax deductible.
3. Tell your representatives, "There ought to be a law..." and make sure that there is! You can Take Action right here
(http://salsa. democracyinactio n.org/o/568/ t/1128/campaign. jsp?campaign_ KEY=21833)
4. Read and sign the Tiburon Declaration (http://www.healthfr eedomusa. org/index. php?p=460). This powerful document was created by health freedom leaders in Tiburon CA to create a powerful wave of strength to oppose compulsory vaccination and drugging. When we have 50,000 signatures, the Natural Solutions Foundation will take this Declaration to Congress and demand an end to ANY compulsory vaccinations. You can sign on for yourself and, if you represent a company, club, foundation, department, etc., you can also sign on on behalf of that entity. Please send an email to dr.laibow@gmail. com with "TIBURON" as the subject line and you name, address, email, phone number and a URL if you have one in the body of the email. If you are signing on behalf of an organization, please include the same information plus the name of the Organization.

5. And, as always, all tax deductible donations (http://www.healthfr eedomusa. org/index. php?page_ id=189) to the Natural Solutions Foundation are most gratefully appreciated and urgently needed. Recurring donations (https://salsa. democracyinactio n.org/o/568/ t/1128/shop/ custom.jsp? donate_page_ KEY=297)are especially important because they let us budget our expenses on a monthly basis.
Here Are 3 Special Programs
You Will Want to Know About
1. Health Freedom Documentary. A major documentary on health freedom and the Codex Agenda which will be released in segments called the Health Freedom Library. The first segment will be on Compulsory Vaccination and Drugging. Following completion of the Health Freedom Library, a full length TV documentary will be produced. This work is underway.
Here is a preview: http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=B4IM2P0JgpM
You can help fund this important project (https://salsa. democracyinactio n.org/o/568/ t/1128/shop/ custom.jsp? donate_page_ KEY=2835). All donations of $100 or more will be acknowledged in the final documentary!
2. Vaccination Exemption eBook. On January 15, 2008 you will be able to download a State by State Vaccination Exemption Handbook with forms, information on your State's vaccine exemption policy and requirments for exemptions in your State. If you prefer a hard copy, you will be able to order that, too. You can use it to protect yourself and your family from the increasing threat of compulsory drugs and vaccinations.
Make a tax deductible donation of a minimum of $150 before December 31, 2007 and we will send you a coupon for free access to the electronic version of this indispensable guide to your health freedom. After that date, the cost of the eBook will be $75 and the hard copy will be $250.
3. Vaccination Exemption Consultations. For people who need skilled consultation in obtaining vaccine and medication exemptions, the Natural Solutions Foundation is providing a unique service package: two hours of attorney consultation (1 hour of research on your particular case and one hour of phone consult time) and 30 minutes of physician phone consult to determine how best to evaluate the dangers of an adverse reaction to a vaccination or medication and documentation to assist you in protecting your child or yourself, such as a letter of medical exemption.
The cost for this service after January 1, 2008 will be $1500 for the first family member and $750 for each family member thereafter. If we receive your check for $1500 (see below for instuctions) before December 31, 2007 we will include the exemption consultation process for a second family member at no additional charge.
Remember, this introductory offer is only good if we receive your check before December 31, 2007.
Please make checks out to the Natural Solutions Foundation and send to
Natural Solutions Foundation
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Write "Vaccine Consultation Program" on the check memo line and include a letter with your contact information including address, name and age of person(s) about whom consultation is being sought, email, Skype name (if you have one), cell, home and office phone numbers.
The Natural Solutions Foundation is unique because we not only identify threats like compulsory vaccination and Codex Alimentarius, we dig deep and find the solutions and then we take the necessary steps to solve the problems - naturally! With the team we have now, and the team we are building, we have become the most powerful voice for health and freedom. Get your friends and neighbors involved and get them on the winning team, too!
Yours in health and freedom,
Dr. Rima

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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: sleepy]
    #7897630 - 01/18/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Flu shots are not good. They make the influenza virus evolve so we have to create new flu shots every year or so. Sooner or later it is just going to be immune to the shot and many people will die. Which could be a good thing to help the population out.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7897689 - 01/18/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Flu would evolve with or without the vaccine. Thats why they make a new one each year. Its formulated to stop the most common strain of that year.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7897719 - 01/18/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Sooner or later it is just going to be immune to the shot and many people will die.




I wouldn't say too many.
I've never had a flu shot yet, and I've gotten the flu many times.
I have never come close to death, although, sometimes I wish I had, the agony was so bad.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7897751 - 01/18/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza

The Influenza virus has killed millions of people dude.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Tangerines]
    #7897758 - 01/18/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

How many of them were over 70, and how many were under 5?


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: trendal]
    #7897760 - 01/18/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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It's hard to imagine that they are "large" doses of mercury...when the shot they give is so small...




any amount of mercury in our bodies is too much.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: minesstudent]
    #7897770 - 01/18/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Flu would evolve with or without the vaccine. Thats why they make a new one each year. Its formulated to stop the most common strain of that year.




either way, the flu shot is a waste of money AND your health. just live, eat and be healthy. its not that hard. flu shots are for people with no immune system.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7897779 - 01/18/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I recommend carrying a can of Lysol everywhere you go. :thumbup:


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    #7897788 - 01/18/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Flu shots are not good. They make the influenza virus evolve so we have to create new flu shots every year or so. Sooner or later it is just going to be immune to the shot and many people will die. Which could be a good thing to help the population out.




:lol:

What are you on??? I want some... :smirk:

Influenza rapidly mutates all on it's own, with or without a vaccine.

They actually have to guess which strain of the flu is going to be "the big one" for the year, a few months before it hits.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7897792 - 01/18/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

not even man. i frown upon using things like lysol and bleach for sanitizing(except for mycology). there are better and much less caustic natural things you could use.

in fact, i use anti-bacterials as little as possible. my thoughts are that the more youre exposed to, the stronger your immune system is. and so far, my thoughts have served me well. i hardly ever wash my hands, except after taking a shit or working with raw meats. i never wash them at work(i do outside construction, so my hands are filthy) and i have yet to get sick. the ONE time ive been sick in the last 2 years was last winter, my fiance brought home some gastro bug(shes a nurse) and we were both crapping and puking our asses off for one day. thats IT.


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    #7897805 - 01/18/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Quote:

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Flu shots are not good. They make the influenza virus evolve so we have to create new flu shots every year or so. Sooner or later it is just going to be immune to the shot and many people will die. Which could be a good thing to help the population out.




:lol:

What are you on??? I want some... :smirk:

Influenza rapidly mutates all on it's own, with or without a vaccine.

They actually have to guess which strain of the flu is going to be "the big one" for the year, a few months before it hits.




all the more reason to NOT get a flu shot. the odds arent great that it will work.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7897810 - 01/18/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Certainly, exposure to viruses build up your immune system ...
but wouldn't it be great if there were a way to never get sick at all?


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7897843 - 01/18/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Ok I was wrong. So shoot me. :syringe:


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    #7897845 - 01/18/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Any special medication you want in that syringe? :lol:


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7897857 - 01/18/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

there is. but most people are not willing to sacrifice to achieve this. including me :nonono: i hardly ever get sick, im talking once every few years. i live pretty damn healthy, but i could still improve alot. talk to a shaolin monk. they never get sick.

eat, sleep and exercise perfectly and you can be in perfect health. there are alot of things you need to do, but it is possible.


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Re: Flu shots?!? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7897869 - 01/18/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Even with the best health, it is still very possible to get ill from viruses.


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    #7897885 - 01/18/08 03:38 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i guess with very serious virus's. if you live perfectly, you will NEVER get influenza.


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