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Saw two grays... * 1
    #7895473 - 01/17/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

If anybody here wants to tell me some bullshit or laugh.. please spare my time, yours and everybody elses. This is M&P. I don't care if you think if my mind is trying to make sense of random short circuits in my brain.

I do not have any sort of mental disorders.

I have always been very receptive to different energies. I've had experiences with what have been described to me by certain people as ghosts during sleep paralysis. I've felt presences, warm energies, seen what looked like shadows and felt breathing close to me. I've even felt them touch me. When I'm in this state I am fully conscious, and it takes me a few seconds to break out of the paralysis. At times these experiences have become incredibly terrifying. It wasn't until a couple of months ago I was told by a few that to get rid of these bothersom ghosts I needed to sprinkle salt water all over the place and tell the ghosts to get the fuck out. I did this. I haven't had any ghastly expriences since.

About a month ago, I wake up to a loud high frequency buzzing sound in my ear. Hell I could even feel this buzzing. I opened my eyes and noticed a blueish hue in the atmosphere. I couldn't move. This wasn't sleep paralysis. I felt completely detatched from my body so I gave up on trying to move. I've never given up on trying to break out of sleep paralysis. Usually I can move my hand just a tad, and push harder and harder until I break out of it. This time I couldn't move atall.. nada.. zilch...

I am fully conscious, mind you, and I am thinking as straight as an arrow.

While I was trying to break out my paralysis, and what was scaring the shit out of me was that I was looking right at 2 little green guys. They were very small, maybe 4 feet tall or so. About the same build as a 7 year old. Big black eyes, no nose. I have a very sharp and vivid picture in my mind. I could draw picture of them if I wanted to. I got the feeling that they were there to *check* up on me, or that they were just scanning the area, and due to my receptiveness I was about to *see*.

After about over a minute it all dissipated. I could move again. There was no breaking *out* of the paralysis. The paralysis left along with everything else.

I sat up thinking, "Holy shit! I did NOT just see that!". I told myself that I'd either forget about it, or convince myself it was some sort of sleep paralysis dream.

But I know it was neither.

I know they are here. That guess that is why I fell asleep with a smile on my face.

After doing alot of reading on negative energy, extra-dimensions, electrogravity, remote sensing, and quantum energy fluctuations, this experience does not confuse me, nor does it frighten me. I know it wasn't a dream, because I know my dreams. I know it wasn't sleep paralysis, because I know my sleep paralysis. This was completely different. Even the energy felt unatural (kind of metallic, powerful, and controlled) and nothing like I have ever experienced before. Completely *not* me.

I remember years ago a buddy of mine gave me a link for a website that had to do with *seeing* the grays. He said that people were doing this but warned that it was truly fucked up. I read about a paragraph on the site and closed the window. Thought it was total bullshit.

I haven't been able to find that website.

The interesting thing is that no matter how much you tell these types of things to people, they will never understand until you experience it for yourself. Even some of the believers won't believe it.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7895749 - 01/18/08 12:41 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I understand what you are talking about. Although my own experiences have not been identical, I have had the pleasure of knowing someone else was very close to me and not human, at least in the usual sense. I can't understand what's going on- in all honestly it's rather frightening. However, all I can hope is that we all can treat these experiences with acceptance and open-mindedness...


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7895764 - 01/18/08 12:54 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Interesting. I have been adamant in feeling that to view what people consider "aliens" solely as extra-terrestrial from outer space is quite limiting. More emphasis needs to be placed upon the perspective of these entities as extra-vibrational, usually beyond the scope of perception. To look upon them in this light will open up a whole new range of possibilities and understanding.
The buzzing you note is extremely common with "Hecate" type astral projection(violent transition). I have noted this internal buzzing sensation to originate from both the ajna chakra region and the throat. It seems to be a very pronounced sensation of rapid and increasing fervor, closer in interval as one makes the transition to the astral. Is your account similar? Also, was your perception as a point consciousness, or a body type consciousness?
Btw, in the text you claim that these entities were green as opposed to gray as stated in the thread title. Which is it?
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: lavod] * 1
    #7896606 - 01/18/08 09:10 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

sounds like a visit from or to the astral realm. there are beings in the astral realm near us all the time, sometimes very strange, sometimes resembling earth creatures like scorpions or rabbits. you said you felt detached from your body - did it feel like you were moving or your awareness was based on an intention alone? i think this is what lavod means by point consciousness.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 1
    #7896761 - 01/18/08 09:58 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I was paralyised and unable to move. Unlike sleep paralysis, I felt somewhat detatched from my body and had no chance of "breaking" out of it so I gave up and just watched them. I also did not feel confused, groggy, or hazy. I was fully conscious. It felt like a paralysis produced by something outside of me.

They were greenish gray. Gray because they looked like your common 4 feet tall grays. Infact, they looked pretty much exactly like them. One of them was looking at me, this was way too crazy for me so I didn't ask any questions in my head. I just watched them.

They are no doubt extra-dimensional. All higher evolved ETs are extra-dimesional. I like to believe that their technology functions within extra-dimensions as well. As William Cooper said, aliens themselves can appear to walk right through walls if captured by government militia. This must be negative energy fluctuations changing an objects energy frequency so high that its desity enters below zero, becomes negative, and is therefore apart from the physical confines/ gravitational and density laws of the 3rd dimension. We too are extra-dimensional beings (obviously), except we haven't been taught/exposed to this side of our existance, therefore we do not know how to control exactly where we go and exactly who we communicate with, and what exactly it's all about.

If anybody is a pro at remote sensing/ astral trave please PM me!

A good experience it was, though. To me, the whole experience did not feel organic whatsoever. Instead, it felt controlled, somewhat metallic.

The buzzing felt kind of like a drilling beam of energy that felt like it was focused just in/on my ear, ( I could feel high pitched buzzing kind of spraying in/into my ear like a watergun). I will assume that the buzzing was just "alien" energy vibrating all around me, and my ears the most sensitive to the frequency. It was what woke me up after all.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7897614 - 01/18/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)



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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #7897661 - 01/18/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Could you draw the picture?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: WScott] * 1
    #7898032 - 01/18/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

It wouldn't be exactly non-debate and so doesn't belong here. I just wanted to let him know that his thread had bled over into another forum.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #7898992 - 01/18/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I have a feeling that you perhaps had a sudden spike in your endogenous DMT levels in the brain. At what time of night would you approximate this to have occurred? Also, did you use any weed or drink before bed?

More background information about you is needed to draw a more complete picture. No physical evidence can be given, just testimony -- which is evidence itself.

Have you had any other "similar" experiences as a very, very young child? The tendency is that these entities like to visit the very young (infants and toddlers)because of their "accepting" ability.

Have you ever tried DMT? If not, I encourage you to research the "entity contact" experiences of DMT users to see if this sounds similar in feeling/perception.

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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: MystikMushroom] * 1
    #7899449 - 01/18/08 09:56 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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The tendency is that these entities like to visit the very young (infants and toddlers)because of their "accepting" ability.





On what do you base this supposition?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #7899649 - 01/18/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Ginseng,

Why do you have a alien as an avatar?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #7899702 - 01/18/08 11:06 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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The tendency is that these entities like to visit the very young (infants and toddlers)because of their "accepting" ability.





On what do you base this supposition?


nice with the supposition.:thumbup:


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Jack Albertson] * 1
    #7900172 - 01/19/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I reply with this testimony:

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They seemed to like it, or were at least confused as to what I was doing. They would look at me, and then look at each other, making strange expressions that I could not understand. They seemed to communicate with each other for nearly 5 minutes without looking back over at me. I had no idea what they were doing. They later told me that most people are so scared of them, that they don't even bother trying to make contact with older humans anymore. They usually go for children, because they are more open minded. If you were visted as a child, you will probably be visited again when you are more mature. That's what it is, is contact. They told me that most people aren't ready, and it is evident by how frozen they become with fear, so they stick to children and revisit the children who they deem to have potential for contact.




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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: appleorange] * 1
    #7900248 - 01/19/08 02:41 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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Ginseng,

Why do you have a alien as an avatar?




I'm into aliens. The alien mind is a beautiful thing.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7900284 - 01/19/08 02:50 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

My *personal* belief is that "greys" are extra-dimensional constructs of the universal "one" mind. "We" create them in times of stress or emotional dilemma. All *IS* all, so these "creatures" are no more the chair we are sitting in right now -- but due to the mental processes we go through..

...and eventually encounter....we "create" an outside and "alien" presence to help us guide our "coddled" psyche into a safe place.

We are the alien, and the alien truly resides within us.

I hate to use a star wars metaphor, but the line, "search your feelings, you know this to be true" is apt.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: MystikMushroom] * 1
    #7900321 - 01/19/08 03:03 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I understand your view.

But.. think about it.

No one human is the centre of the universe. So why would the human group mind be the centre of the universe?

If it is easy for the universe to have this relationship with conciousness, why? Because it exists, and you don't see any *god* waving a wand around *creating* us. It creates itself. Therefore it does not strain. It just is. And so this fact embraces God power. Infinite power.

Considering how old life is estimated to be on Earth, it would seem sensible that somewhere in the vast regions of space, there could be life attatched to conciousness, much older and exponentially more advanced in the understanding of energy. Everything is energy. Everything.

I think humans have so much shit to sort through anyways, once we pass the tests, we will move forward with more humility, understanding, acceptance, and a much more elastic sense of space and time.

Take a good look at the human as one entity. A beautifully creature in so many ways. But equally as grotesque, arrogant and unaware.

Nobody, ever, knows all the answers. But some look at the answers they have, and in acknoledging certain respects, certain asnwers falls in place. The universe.. so profound and powerful. It is beyond us. To think not would show arrogance to the universe. I believe is much more competent and aware of itself than we think. Fuck, we don't even know what we are. We are just another one of the universes children of many. And I believe some of those children that existed before us, have matured into cosmic adults. beautiful...

this type of thinking keeps me sane. Because the world and what we do with it makes absolutely no fuckin sense to me.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: MystikMushroom] * 1
    #7900332 - 01/19/08 03:09 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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My *personal* belief is that "greys" are extra-dimensional constructs of the universal "one" mind. "We" create them in times of stress or emotional dilemma. All *IS* all, so these "creatures" are no more the chair we are sitting in right now -- but due to the mental processes we go through..

...and eventually encounter....we "create" an outside and "alien" presence to help us guide our "coddled" psyche into a safe place.

We are the alien, and the alien truly resides within us.

I hate to use a star wars metaphor, but the line, "search your feelings, you know this to be true" is apt.




By this very logical, you or I, can assume that everything that appears to exist outside of us is but an illusion. That you, as a single person, are the true centre of your universe, and nothing outside of your perspective is conscious of itself. We would have to conclude that this cannot be, because we all think, therefore we are.

Remember though, always, that all is one. We are just energy experiencing itself. So in this sense, nothing is alien. Nothing is apart.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7900462 - 01/19/08 04:25 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Dude man...this might sound simplistic at this point...but...

We are all part of the whole...the "one" ... we are ALL what we consider "God Incarnate" if we just allow ourselves to entertain the idea.

The "one-ness" has and will continue to find new and infinite ways of expressing/experiencing that idea...

Hence the reason some us of us suffer and other seem to easily "prosper"...

Take heed to your station in this lifetime. Learn, observe and be "aware" of what has come before and what might come afore-mentioned by myself and many others.

Contrary to popular belief...true divinity resides in each of us--if buy only we can shake the constraints of the current "social - order"...

I wait for that time--and I encourage those younger than myself to carry that torch for myself.

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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1] * 1
    #7900925 - 01/19/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Right on.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Jack Albertson] * 1
    #7900933 - 01/19/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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ts727 said:
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The tendency is that these entities like to visit the very young (infants and toddlers)because of their "accepting" ability.





On what do you base this supposition?


nice with the supposition.:thumbup:




Why not answer the question?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7900936 - 01/19/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Generally, infants are usually closer to their "natural" state than most programmed "adults".


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #7900939 - 01/19/08 09:58 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

how does ones prosperity coincide with the oneness?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
    #7900945 - 01/19/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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Generally, infants are usually closer to their "natural" state than most programmed "adults".


just think about how you feel when you trip. That's a child's perspective IMO.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7900964 - 01/19/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Agreed. Wonder and amazement, openness.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
    #7900983 - 01/19/08 10:10 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i think that keeping that childlike wonderment helps you achieve your long term goals. Ive notice that a lot of adults lost hope at some point and settled in their situations. Having your my opened to outrageous ideas is key to having a dream. Keeping hope keeps you moving.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
    #7901001 - 01/19/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I believe you saw something, I don't really have a view on whether or not aliens exist but I know demons do. When I was 12 my parents sent me to a Christian summer camp where I met this kid who said a satanist had taught him this spell...granted I know it couldn't have been a satanist because they can't do sorcery usually, that is a different magick. Anyway he said this shit and I thought it was a joke until it flew under my bed and picked up a sneaker and the sneaker flew around the room. It was weird cuz we were screaming and the kid said the counselor wouldn't be able to hear but he was only 10 feet away in another cabin room, but he never came out. When he said "Jesus Christ, Son of God" it did this thing and dissappeared. That was what first sparked my interest in magicks, which led down a road of pain and despair. I don't remember much as a kid but that and the day my dad blew up our inground pool with home-made explosives are two things I will never forget. Call me a liar if you want but it was real....so my friend I could never judge you for what you saw or say you didn't see it because I believe you did. Have a great day!

...at least you didn't get the anal probe right? lol


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7901016 - 01/19/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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i think that keeping that childlike wonderment helps you achieve your long term goals. Ive notice that a lot of adults lost hope at some point and settled in their situations. Having your my opened to outrageous ideas is key to having a dream. Keeping hope keeps you moving.




That is probably one of the wisest things I have read here so far.
Successful people write down their goals, even if they seem outrageous and look at them every day. Find a good personal development book and invest in yourself by reading 10 pages a day. I uploaded to of the greatest success building tools ever published so everyone at shroomery can have the tools to succeed. I am so pissed at some poeple on another forum that I would love to help several shroomery members reach their financial goals just so I can go throw it in my oppositions face that it could have been them.

Think and Grow Rich is the 1st book that everyone who wants to succeed in life should read. I uploaded it so success is there for the taking.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: rizingfire]
    #7901090 - 01/19/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

thank you for your comments. Where can i find a link to this book.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7901097 - 01/19/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: rizingfire]
    #7901467 - 01/19/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Read "The Science of Getting Rich."

All these books are based on the same principles.

The point is that one must never let other tell them 'how it is' unless they can prove that it's the only way.

If we continue to dream towards something, one day we may very well achieve it. Most people just don't dream, and they presume that their reality is jsut wahat it is, and they have no choice but to waltz through a pre-written song. Why not have your own mind and make your own music?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
    #7901635 - 01/19/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

The state of mind of a child tells us nothing about alien motivation or purpose nor how one acquired that knowledge. Nice non sequitur, though...


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7901671 - 01/19/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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The state of mind of a child tells us nothing about alien motivation or purpose nor how one acquired that knowledge. Nice non sequitur, though...




Indeed not. But a child may be aware of an ETs presence, and will be open minded enough to accept it, and not come up excuses as to "how" an ET presence is impossible. A close-minded adult usually has their head too far up their own ass to ever open themselves up to a reality beyond what they have spent their entire lives believing.

The UFO phenomena has lived throuigh the years and it is not going anywhere for a reason. I wonder why people don't talk about quasimoto or the easter bunny with such intensity?


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7902004 - 01/19/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

In the context of pure argument, one could say that the ufo phenomenon lives on because of its relentless presence in popular fiction, its broad psychological appeal (in a time such as this when all seems to be caving in on our little planet, the idea of an external savior seems great to anyone- be it Jesus or alien life), or perhaps even the possibility that it is an underlying archetype of human consciousness. Personally, I do not buy that argument. Still, there is nothing illogical about it.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: WordlessNature]
    #7902031 - 01/19/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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In the context of pure argument, one could say that the ufo phenomenon lives on because of its relentless presence in popular fiction, its broad psychological appeal (in a time such as this when all seems to be caving in on our little planet, the idea of an external savior seems great to anyone- be it Jesus or alien life), or perhaps even the possibility that it is an underlying archetype of human consciousness. Personally, I do not buy that argument. Still, there is nothing illogical about it.




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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7903452 - 01/19/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

21st century demonic oppression. No horns and cloven feet like the Christian mentality made of the Great God Pan, but this millennium these demons come from a revised cosmology - not the bowels of a flat Earth, but from extra-terrestrial spheres or hyperspatial dimensions. The experiences still occur to people, non-physical as they are wont to be, but we still apply spatial origins to them. Has it not occurred that the psychic domain may be the other side of the psychophysical coin? Jung and Wolfgang Pauli thought so. Still, inviting 'demons' to visit, regardless of their domain of origination is never a good idea.



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    #7903937 - 01/19/08 10:54 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)



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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7904577 - 01/20/08 02:49 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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WOW.

READ THIS PLEASE.

WE CAN. I WILL.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/aliensarecomingprelude16apr05.shtml




I consider the possiblity of it being a hoax. It is logical.

However, my connection to the universe leads me to believe that the ET presence is real. I use logic in this manner aswell. My logic is simply more elastic, yet still in conjunction with what is possible in reality.

The point is nobody knows anything, so let's just wait for the undeniable proof that would change everything.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7904697 - 01/20/08 03:56 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Logic and intuition, word and feeling mix to form the basis for what I consider to be clear sight. Just as one's true feelings cannot be expressed in words, the words express great power for they create an infinite spectrum of feelings in different individuals...


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7911053 - 01/21/08 06:26 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Why do you say they were grays in the title and then state they were green in the post?

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    #7911568 - 01/21/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

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Why do you say they were grays in the title and then state they were green in the post?




Really old greys get moldy....  :ohwell:

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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7912754 - 01/21/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 11 days ago)

Egodeath-

In the title I wrote "grays" because they looked basicaly like your average 4 foot tall skinny "gray". They had a greenish skin colour. The grays have been described by people as having all types of different colours and shades. You know this though..


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
    #7914386 - 01/22/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 10 days ago)

One more thing absolutely no drugs were involved of any sort.

One interesting thought I had yesterday...

How come my brain doesn't make sense of the dark shadows I had encountered before? After years of experiencing with shadows, ghosts and touching and all that creepy shit? How come I had never seen creatures? Whenever I had the *ghost* experiences, there were never any changes in the hue of the atmosphere, and never any vivid figures or ceatures in my field of view. Only faint faint shadows that I usually attribute to the features in my room, like corners or posters. However the physical sensations lead me to believe that there are entities indeed floating about all over the world. I've experienced them more intesenly in different places such as Colombia and Toronto than I have in Santiago for instance. Whenevr I have buzzing during the common sleep paralysis, it is more of a vibration that radiates through my body. It is warm and actually feels really good. It never feels like it is focal to my ear, never as loud, and never as detatched and cold.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7920751 - 01/23/08 05:17 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

As far as I'm concerned,
sleep paralysis and alien abduction are two different things.

I've seen entities during sleep paralysis but tried hard to wake up and when I did there was nothing there. I don't assume that it was any more real than any dream I have.

If you see aliens while awake then its a very different story. Dreams are dreams but when a person driving down the road has their car pulled over and see's aliens and experiences missing time, its a different matter. These cases become even more believable if there are independent corroborating witnesses.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
    #7920895 - 01/23/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I don't think I was abducted. To be honest I don't even think they were even in my room.

I think my energy stumbled upon them in the skies, via remote viewing.  You know what remote viewing is yes?  Like I said I have always been very receptive to different kinds of energies.

It might have been all a dream.  The point is none of us know for certain.

Also, about the paralysis... all abductees claim they are paralyzed.  And there is no known cause for sleep paralysis..

I also have experienced all kinds of wild things during SP, but this was so much different. I tell you man, if you experienced it like I did, you probably would have come on here reporting it too.  If I could really equate it to a dream, I wouldn't have written anything here.  But I can't because the dimensions.. the feeling.. the visuals.. the SP itself.. was just very.. *alien* to me! :crazyeyes:


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7921100 - 01/23/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

When i was a child I often used to see dark shadows in the shape of a human behind me . And that feeling of being watched. It used to scare me quite a bit. I developed this fear of being alone in my house. I put it down to childhood fantasy, but looking back on it those dark shapes do seem kind of weird.

As to the alien idea, i think views on psychology change as time goes by, just like with all science. At the moment, the current view is that dream represent some kind of inner desire or sub conscious thought. Maybe in the future we will see dreams as a new type of reality, like an extra dimension that the brain taps into when it gets into a certain state of consciousness. From that point of view, any entity you meet when dreaming or tripping could be real.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: DimensionX]
    #7928610 - 01/25/08 06:07 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I had my head cut off in dream once - no joke!

I didn't die though, in this reality or the dream reality.

I like to speculate too but then we also have to have some basis of thinking what is most likely to be real or else we have no order to have a conversation within.

Ginseng - I don't doubt, how vivid the experience was. I'm glad you reported it too.

I think there is an explanation for sleep paralysis. I don't know if its proven or not but common sense tells me its to stop you from physical doing what you are doing in your dream. Although the paralysis doesn't always completely function in all people (sleep walkers for example).


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
    #7929852 - 01/25/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I think there is definately some checmicals that are floating ar oudn from letting us move.

What interests me is that we awake in the first place, without our body. I mean, if someone wakes you up somehow, you're never paralyzed. Why is it that with sleep paralysis we see and sense entities doing stuff to us... it is perhaps their presence that wakes us up but because they function on different places/ dimensions, it doesnt wake up the body, it wakes up the mind/consciousness, that is able to transcend all dimensions.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7930889 - 01/25/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I know without doubt that sleep paralysis has to do with other beings. Not sure of the dynamics of it but from what I here Ginseng sounds to be right on. The think about sleep paralysis is that i have learnt through a very frieghtening experience, to activate powers within me that i never knew existed...the thing that lays to rest any notion that these powers are imaginatory is that i was able to take them through to reality with identical fashion.

I watched a show one day and these energetic healers came on. I recognized that a time after that experience, which also similairly happened to me many times after, and one day when my friend had a head ache i took the pain away within a matter of 10 - 20 seconds...this seems to alleviate it for the remainder of the day for the people. Ive done it to 4 people, identically as noted, using those powers i used to get me OUT of what the scientists calls sleep paralysis.

Many people i know, who are energy sensitives always have similair sleep paralysis, where they wake up, and see a dark objects flying around them. it happens to almost everyone i know like this. This to me counts for scientific proof. But its easier to believe things that do not re-arrange your beliefs most of the time. What i notice is that whenever i get like this, it is because i at some point fear being wrong...but WTF, If i wasnt wrong ever, i would never be right. So really if i fear being wrong, and being right is what makes for the experience of being wrong, in any way, then fearing being wrong is just nonsense and so is being biased, equally.

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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7931007 - 01/25/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Ginseng. I dont think that idea about their presence is true with all instances. I know that a couple times before when i was really scared, these spirits would be control me much easier. I have battled them for my body and i have won mostly, by raising my energy to the CROWN chakra. kind of funny one time because i was having sex with a person and sharing love, when all of a sudden my landlord who i was living with downstairs knocked on the door. She was a religious man hater who thought i was taking advantage of the person i was sharing love with in that way and she eventually barged in...generally coming from my subconcious in that moment was scared and feeling guilty.

that same night i was visited, only to wake up to being paralyzed, i began focusing my intention of raising the energy and i was litterally trying in a struggle to get out of the trance. I felt a huge energy being pushed out of the top of my head when i was 'battling' and eventually succeeded only to do it identically an hour later hahah.

fun stuff really though now its alot easier, except its a different entity who is stronger from the feels of it....i really just wanna intend on loving them instead of fighting them..its harder and of more value to me now.

peace man, and hey if your in Toronto or ontario at all, i would love to meet you in a public space. it might be an interesting time!!

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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7931533 - 01/25/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I think there is always some sort of energy that is able to awake us.

Be it a ghost, atral plane goblin, ET... who knows?

The point is that I believe it is always something. Conscious being or not. But something, apart from a construct in the mind. That would be naive in my opinion. They are too intrusive and bothersom.

Also, the dark shadows that sometimes feel like they are sitting on your chest, or touching you are often reffered to as ghosts. For thousands of years... they have been refered to as ghosts. I had two wiccans tell me so. They told me to sprinkle salt water all over the house to get them to leave.

I once felt a ghost (i refer to them as ghosts.. could be anything.. like a dust bunny perhaps?) completely grab me from behind in a "spooning" fashion which was fuckin creepy.. I thought it was my dad because we were in a hotel in colombia but when I broke out of the paralysis.. alas.. my dad was asleep like a baby on the other bed. I had trouble getting back to sleep because that one was just very strange and spooky. I'm talking it felt exactly like a bigger person than I spooning me in a creepy fashion. I'm a guy too so like if a girl does any sort of spoonage to me, she is always smaller and never feels like she has any domain over me. Just want to hold me. This ghost.. felt bigger and like completely crossing the line and disrespecting my space. I was kind of pissed at the same time.

Anyway, from what people tell me, they cant harm us. But they don't belong here and for them to be bothersom is... not acceptable.

Sure, they could be friendly, just wanting to say hi, but I don't care... don't touch me!

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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7933143 - 01/26/08 12:59 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Just because you sense something it doesn't mean it is there.

Have you ever sensed someone there and looked round to realize there is no-body there?

When you realize you don't sense it anymore.


The mind is powerful, especially in the dream state our minds can create any experience we can imagine.

I accept its possible your ideas are true and I certainly believe in entities but I think we cannot assume an entities seen during sleep is anymore real than any other dream.

I feel strongly about this because I think some alien abductions are real and happening in the physical world and I don't like this to be associated with non-physical entities as these cannot presently be proved but a physical phenomena is much closer to being proved.

I've gone lucid and flown over my town in my dreams, it was as real as this is now accept I noticed, there were no cars and it was sunny! If I had been real beyond the constructs of my mind there would of been cars and it would of been dark.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
    #7934749 - 01/26/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I wasnt sleeping.

The thing i did that stopped the paralysis wasnt in a dream state, because i could do it the same way in reality. I think you should read over my post, i explained why it was real and how i tested it, by using it to heal peoples pain, identically, with 4 different people of different ages. 22, 43,46,95.

When i say identically i mean to the tee, not ifs and or buts. 10-20 seconds i heal the pain. over with. i also use it in sex to guide my mind and so i do not get over excited. This is more difficult to explain as im not completly sure how i do it, tho i know it involves the energies.

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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7936134 - 01/26/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I was talking about Ginsengs experience and sleep paralysis in general hence why I replied to him.


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #10661624 - 07/12/09 03:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I was paralyised and unable to move.  Unlike sleep paralysis, I felt somewhat detatched from my body and had no chance of "breaking" out of it so I gave up and just watched them.  I also did not feel confused, groggy, or hazy. I was fully conscious.  It felt like a paralysis produced by something outside of me.

They were greenish gray.  Gray because they looked like your common 4 feet tall grays.  Infact, they looked pretty much exactly like them.  One of them was looking at me, this was way too crazy for me so I didn't ask any questions in my head. I just watched them.

They are no doubt extra-dimensional.  All higher evolved ETs are extra-dimesional.  I like to believe that their technology functions within extra-dimensions as well.  As William Cooper said, aliens themselves can appear to walk right through walls if captured by government militia.  This must be negative energy fluctuations changing an objects energy frequency so high that its desity enters below zero, becomes negative, and is therefore apart from the physical confines/ gravitational and density laws of the 3rd dimension.  We too are extra-dimensional beings (obviously), except we haven't been taught/exposed to this side of our existance, therefore we do not know how to control exactly where we go and exactly who we communicate with, and what exactly it's all about. 

If anybody is a pro at remote sensing/ astral trave please PM me!

A good experience it was, though.  To me, the whole experience did not feel organic whatsoever.  Instead, it felt controlled, somewhat metallic.

The buzzing felt kind of like a drilling beam of energy that felt like it was focused just in/on my ear, ( I could feel high pitched buzzing kind of spraying in/into my ear like a watergun).  I will assume that the buzzing was just "alien" energy vibrating all around me, and my ears the most sensitive to the frequency.  It was what woke me up after all.




Ok, this is RIDICULOUS - I just had this EXACT type of dream about fifteen minutes and believe me, I wouldn't use this word often in hyperbole but it was TERRIFYING. Everything was basically the same, I felt paralyzed when they gazed on me, the first gray was about 4 foot, gray, big black eyes, with what looked like a joker-ish mouth all sewn shut and jagged. This was in the first part of the dream. I can't remember my surroundings too well, I believe I was in an auditorium type setting when the image of the gray set in and it locked it's gaze on me exactly when I realized what I was looking at.

THIS is the most terrifying part. The dream was extremely vivid, and during the second part I remember thinking I need to see my girlfriend and tell her about this and find some comfort/solace with her. I see her in the auditorium conveniently enough, and as I approach her she slowly morphs/shifts into a gray  :omgz: I felt a low vibration/noise in my ear that seemed to paralyze my entire body. The gray walked towards more and the fear and insanity of seeing this incredibly disturbing and vivid imagery shook me very, very badly when I awoke. In the seconds between the end of this part of the dream and me somehow awakening into real life, I still felt the vibration/noise - and was STILL paralyzed on my side, and was unsure of my surroundings or situation - I felt I was levitating but trapped in place...I don't know I just remembered reading this thread a while ago and was extremely disturbed to see the uncanny similarities. I am very wary of returning to sleep right now.

The really, really unfortunate thing is I could stop this if I had some weed which I ran out of a few days ago - smoking puts me in a dreamless sleep and when I am not smoking I almost immediately return to the super vivid dreams every night. I'm freakin out man! FUCK! this is crazy


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #10664108 - 07/12/09 04:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I still remember it like it was almost yesterday.

I still remember freaking the fuck out and hyperventilating trying to move and then giving up and watching those two small creatures.  I also remember sitting up on my bed and smiling afterwards.  I went from having experiencing so much horror to a sense of a friendly 'hello'. It's like I asked for it.  I was so into this at the time.

Also, when I wrote about the energy, I know what I wrote was intuitive, but I'll admit it makes no damned sense lol.

I still cannot group this experience with anything to do with a 'dream'.  It was real IMO.  Ask and ye shall receive.

blkjkrabbit  - don't worry brother.  Just relax.  You cannot be harmed.  Nothing will hurt you.  In the end you choose where to go.  If you have the intention and will to experience something else, you can.  Just intend to be in a better place, and imagine yourself over-coming.  Fear can be debilitating.  You don't have the experience fear.  It is your responsibility to choose how you react to all of this.  Choose wisdom and peace as opposed to confusion and hostility.


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    #10666272 - 07/12/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Ginseng1 said:
I still remember it like it was almost yesterday.

I still remember freaking the fuck out and hyperventilating trying to move and then giving up and watching those two small creatures.  I also remember sitting up on my bed and smiling afterwards.  I went from having experiencing so much horror to a sense of a friendly 'hello'. It's like I asked for it.  I was so into this at the time.

Also, when I wrote about the energy, I know what I wrote was intuitive, but I'll admit it makes no damned sense lol.

I still cannot group this experience with anything to do with a 'dream'.  It was real IMO.  Ask and ye shall receive.

blkjkrabbit  - don't worry brother.  Just relax.  You cannot be harmed.  Nothing will hurt you.  In the end you choose where to go.  If you have the intention and will to experience something else, you can.  Just intend to be in a better place, and imagine yourself over-coming.  Fear can be debilitating.  You don't have the experience fear.  It is your responsibility to choose how you react to all of this.  Choose wisdom and peace as opposed to confusion and hostility.



solid advice man, between your post and talkin with my girl/parents a bit about it I feel a hell of a lot better. Seems pretty common I suppose but it was my first experience of that kind at all in a dream. I mean I've had bizarre dreams and the occasional nightmare (stuff like falling off a cliff and waking up on impact), but absolutely nothing that shifted into something so evil and dark feeling so quickly..I know it's a construct of my mind and I feel much more open and relaxed about it now but it was kind of haunting me last night.

As far as what you wrote about being able to sense different energies Ginseng, I think there may be some truth in your fiction and some fiction in your truth. :thumbup:


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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #10668040 - 07/13/09 09:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Ginseng1, are you saying that the two entities you encountered had green skin rather than gray? Did they have any type of clothing or apparel on?


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