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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7912754 - 01/21/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 11 days ago) |
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Egodeath-
In the title I wrote "grays" because they looked basicaly like your average 4 foot tall skinny "gray". They had a greenish skin colour. The grays have been described by people as having all types of different colours and shades. You know this though..
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Shroomism]
#7914386 - 01/22/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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One more thing absolutely no drugs were involved of any sort.
One interesting thought I had yesterday...
How come my brain doesn't make sense of the dark shadows I had encountered before? After years of experiencing with shadows, ghosts and touching and all that creepy shit? How come I had never seen creatures? Whenever I had the *ghost* experiences, there were never any changes in the hue of the atmosphere, and never any vivid figures or ceatures in my field of view. Only faint faint shadows that I usually attribute to the features in my room, like corners or posters. However the physical sensations lead me to believe that there are entities indeed floating about all over the world. I've experienced them more intesenly in different places such as Colombia and Toronto than I have in Santiago for instance. Whenevr I have buzzing during the common sleep paralysis, it is more of a vibration that radiates through my body. It is warm and actually feels really good. It never feels like it is focal to my ear, never as loud, and never as detatched and cold.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7920751 - 01/23/08 05:17 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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As far as I'm concerned, sleep paralysis and alien abduction are two different things.
I've seen entities during sleep paralysis but tried hard to wake up and when I did there was nothing there. I don't assume that it was any more real than any dream I have.
If you see aliens while awake then its a very different story. Dreams are dreams but when a person driving down the road has their car pulled over and see's aliens and experiences missing time, its a different matter. These cases become even more believable if there are independent corroborating witnesses.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
#7920895 - 01/23/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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I don't think I was abducted. To be honest I don't even think they were even in my room.
I think my energy stumbled upon them in the skies, via remote viewing. You know what remote viewing is yes? Like I said I have always been very receptive to different kinds of energies.
It might have been all a dream. The point is none of us know for certain.
Also, about the paralysis... all abductees claim they are paralyzed. And there is no known cause for sleep paralysis..
I also have experienced all kinds of wild things during SP, but this was so much different. I tell you man, if you experienced it like I did, you probably would have come on here reporting it too. If I could really equate it to a dream, I wouldn't have written anything here. But I can't because the dimensions.. the feeling.. the visuals.. the SP itself.. was just very.. *alien* to me!
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7921100 - 01/23/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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When i was a child I often used to see dark shadows in the shape of a human behind me . And that feeling of being watched. It used to scare me quite a bit. I developed this fear of being alone in my house. I put it down to childhood fantasy, but looking back on it those dark shapes do seem kind of weird.
As to the alien idea, i think views on psychology change as time goes by, just like with all science. At the moment, the current view is that dream represent some kind of inner desire or sub conscious thought. Maybe in the future we will see dreams as a new type of reality, like an extra dimension that the brain taps into when it gets into a certain state of consciousness. From that point of view, any entity you meet when dreaming or tripping could be real.
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I had my head cut off in dream once - no joke!
I didn't die though, in this reality or the dream reality.
I like to speculate too but then we also have to have some basis of thinking what is most likely to be real or else we have no order to have a conversation within.
Ginseng - I don't doubt, how vivid the experience was. I'm glad you reported it too.
I think there is an explanation for sleep paralysis. I don't know if its proven or not but common sense tells me its to stop you from physical doing what you are doing in your dream. Although the paralysis doesn't always completely function in all people (sleep walkers for example).
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
#7929852 - 01/25/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I think there is definately some checmicals that are floating ar oudn from letting us move.
What interests me is that we awake in the first place, without our body. I mean, if someone wakes you up somehow, you're never paralyzed. Why is it that with sleep paralysis we see and sense entities doing stuff to us... it is perhaps their presence that wakes us up but because they function on different places/ dimensions, it doesnt wake up the body, it wakes up the mind/consciousness, that is able to transcend all dimensions.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7930889 - 01/25/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I know without doubt that sleep paralysis has to do with other beings. Not sure of the dynamics of it but from what I here Ginseng sounds to be right on. The think about sleep paralysis is that i have learnt through a very frieghtening experience, to activate powers within me that i never knew existed...the thing that lays to rest any notion that these powers are imaginatory is that i was able to take them through to reality with identical fashion.
I watched a show one day and these energetic healers came on. I recognized that a time after that experience, which also similairly happened to me many times after, and one day when my friend had a head ache i took the pain away within a matter of 10 - 20 seconds...this seems to alleviate it for the remainder of the day for the people. Ive done it to 4 people, identically as noted, using those powers i used to get me OUT of what the scientists calls sleep paralysis.
Many people i know, who are energy sensitives always have similair sleep paralysis, where they wake up, and see a dark objects flying around them. it happens to almost everyone i know like this. This to me counts for scientific proof. But its easier to believe things that do not re-arrange your beliefs most of the time. What i notice is that whenever i get like this, it is because i at some point fear being wrong...but WTF, If i wasnt wrong ever, i would never be right. So really if i fear being wrong, and being right is what makes for the experience of being wrong, in any way, then fearing being wrong is just nonsense and so is being biased, equally.
Anyways peace and love to all! Hugs!
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Ginseng. I dont think that idea about their presence is true with all instances. I know that a couple times before when i was really scared, these spirits would be control me much easier. I have battled them for my body and i have won mostly, by raising my energy to the CROWN chakra. kind of funny one time because i was having sex with a person and sharing love, when all of a sudden my landlord who i was living with downstairs knocked on the door. She was a religious man hater who thought i was taking advantage of the person i was sharing love with in that way and she eventually barged in...generally coming from my subconcious in that moment was scared and feeling guilty.
that same night i was visited, only to wake up to being paralyzed, i began focusing my intention of raising the energy and i was litterally trying in a struggle to get out of the trance. I felt a huge energy being pushed out of the top of my head when i was 'battling' and eventually succeeded only to do it identically an hour later hahah.
fun stuff really though now its alot easier, except its a different entity who is stronger from the feels of it....i really just wanna intend on loving them instead of fighting them..its harder and of more value to me now.
peace man, and hey if your in Toronto or ontario at all, i would love to meet you in a public space. it might be an interesting time!!
peace and love, joy.
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I think there is always some sort of energy that is able to awake us.
Be it a ghost, atral plane goblin, ET... who knows?
The point is that I believe it is always something. Conscious being or not. But something, apart from a construct in the mind. That would be naive in my opinion. They are too intrusive and bothersom.
Also, the dark shadows that sometimes feel like they are sitting on your chest, or touching you are often reffered to as ghosts. For thousands of years... they have been refered to as ghosts. I had two wiccans tell me so. They told me to sprinkle salt water all over the house to get them to leave. I once felt a ghost (i refer to them as ghosts.. could be anything.. like a dust bunny perhaps?) completely grab me from behind in a "spooning" fashion which was fuckin creepy.. I thought it was my dad because we were in a hotel in colombia but when I broke out of the paralysis.. alas.. my dad was asleep like a baby on the other bed. I had trouble getting back to sleep because that one was just very strange and spooky. I'm talking it felt exactly like a bigger person than I spooning me in a creepy fashion. I'm a guy too so like if a girl does any sort of spoonage to me, she is always smaller and never feels like she has any domain over me. Just want to hold me. This ghost.. felt bigger and like completely crossing the line and disrespecting my space. I was kind of pissed at the same time.
Anyway, from what people tell me, they cant harm us. But they don't belong here and for them to be bothersom is... not acceptable.
Sure, they could be friendly, just wanting to say hi, but I don't care... don't touch me!
Yea i'm in Toronto.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7933143 - 01/26/08 12:59 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Just because you sense something it doesn't mean it is there.
Have you ever sensed someone there and looked round to realize there is no-body there?
When you realize you don't sense it anymore.
The mind is powerful, especially in the dream state our minds can create any experience we can imagine.
I accept its possible your ideas are true and I certainly believe in entities but I think we cannot assume an entities seen during sleep is anymore real than any other dream.
I feel strongly about this because I think some alien abductions are real and happening in the physical world and I don't like this to be associated with non-physical entities as these cannot presently be proved but a physical phenomena is much closer to being proved.
I've gone lucid and flown over my town in my dreams, it was as real as this is now accept I noticed, there were no cars and it was sunny! If I had been real beyond the constructs of my mind there would of been cars and it would of been dark.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ego Death]
#7934749 - 01/26/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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I wasnt sleeping.
The thing i did that stopped the paralysis wasnt in a dream state, because i could do it the same way in reality. I think you should read over my post, i explained why it was real and how i tested it, by using it to heal peoples pain, identically, with 4 different people of different ages. 22, 43,46,95.
When i say identically i mean to the tee, not ifs and or buts. 10-20 seconds i heal the pain. over with. i also use it in sex to guide my mind and so i do not get over excited. This is more difficult to explain as im not completly sure how i do it, tho i know it involves the energies.
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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I was talking about Ginsengs experience and sleep paralysis in general hence why I replied to him.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#10661624 - 07/12/09 03:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: I was paralyised and unable to move. Unlike sleep paralysis, I felt somewhat detatched from my body and had no chance of "breaking" out of it so I gave up and just watched them. I also did not feel confused, groggy, or hazy. I was fully conscious. It felt like a paralysis produced by something outside of me.
They were greenish gray. Gray because they looked like your common 4 feet tall grays. Infact, they looked pretty much exactly like them. One of them was looking at me, this was way too crazy for me so I didn't ask any questions in my head. I just watched them.
They are no doubt extra-dimensional. All higher evolved ETs are extra-dimesional. I like to believe that their technology functions within extra-dimensions as well. As William Cooper said, aliens themselves can appear to walk right through walls if captured by government militia. This must be negative energy fluctuations changing an objects energy frequency so high that its desity enters below zero, becomes negative, and is therefore apart from the physical confines/ gravitational and density laws of the 3rd dimension. We too are extra-dimensional beings (obviously), except we haven't been taught/exposed to this side of our existance, therefore we do not know how to control exactly where we go and exactly who we communicate with, and what exactly it's all about.
If anybody is a pro at remote sensing/ astral trave please PM me!
A good experience it was, though. To me, the whole experience did not feel organic whatsoever. Instead, it felt controlled, somewhat metallic.
The buzzing felt kind of like a drilling beam of energy that felt like it was focused just in/on my ear, ( I could feel high pitched buzzing kind of spraying in/into my ear like a watergun). I will assume that the buzzing was just "alien" energy vibrating all around me, and my ears the most sensitive to the frequency. It was what woke me up after all.
Ok, this is RIDICULOUS - I just had this EXACT type of dream about fifteen minutes and believe me, I wouldn't use this word often in hyperbole but it was TERRIFYING. Everything was basically the same, I felt paralyzed when they gazed on me, the first gray was about 4 foot, gray, big black eyes, with what looked like a joker-ish mouth all sewn shut and jagged. This was in the first part of the dream. I can't remember my surroundings too well, I believe I was in an auditorium type setting when the image of the gray set in and it locked it's gaze on me exactly when I realized what I was looking at.
THIS is the most terrifying part. The dream was extremely vivid, and during the second part I remember thinking I need to see my girlfriend and tell her about this and find some comfort/solace with her. I see her in the auditorium conveniently enough, and as I approach her she slowly morphs/shifts into a gray I felt a low vibration/noise in my ear that seemed to paralyze my entire body. The gray walked towards more and the fear and insanity of seeing this incredibly disturbing and vivid imagery shook me very, very badly when I awoke. In the seconds between the end of this part of the dream and me somehow awakening into real life, I still felt the vibration/noise - and was STILL paralyzed on my side, and was unsure of my surroundings or situation - I felt I was levitating but trapped in place...I don't know I just remembered reading this thread a while ago and was extremely disturbed to see the uncanny similarities. I am very wary of returning to sleep right now.
The really, really unfortunate thing is I could stop this if I had some weed which I ran out of a few days ago - smoking puts me in a dreamless sleep and when I am not smoking I almost immediately return to the super vivid dreams every night. I'm freakin out man! FUCK! this is crazy
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I still remember it like it was almost yesterday.
I still remember freaking the fuck out and hyperventilating trying to move and then giving up and watching those two small creatures. I also remember sitting up on my bed and smiling afterwards. I went from having experiencing so much horror to a sense of a friendly 'hello'. It's like I asked for it. I was so into this at the time.
Also, when I wrote about the energy, I know what I wrote was intuitive, but I'll admit it makes no damned sense lol.
I still cannot group this experience with anything to do with a 'dream'. It was real IMO. Ask and ye shall receive.
blkjkrabbit - don't worry brother. Just relax. You cannot be harmed. Nothing will hurt you. In the end you choose where to go. If you have the intention and will to experience something else, you can. Just intend to be in a better place, and imagine yourself over-coming. Fear can be debilitating. You don't have the experience fear. It is your responsibility to choose how you react to all of this. Choose wisdom and peace as opposed to confusion and hostility.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#10666272 - 07/12/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: I still remember it like it was almost yesterday.
I still remember freaking the fuck out and hyperventilating trying to move and then giving up and watching those two small creatures. I also remember sitting up on my bed and smiling afterwards. I went from having experiencing so much horror to a sense of a friendly 'hello'. It's like I asked for it. I was so into this at the time.
Also, when I wrote about the energy, I know what I wrote was intuitive, but I'll admit it makes no damned sense lol.
I still cannot group this experience with anything to do with a 'dream'. It was real IMO. Ask and ye shall receive.
blkjkrabbit - don't worry brother. Just relax. You cannot be harmed. Nothing will hurt you. In the end you choose where to go. If you have the intention and will to experience something else, you can. Just intend to be in a better place, and imagine yourself over-coming. Fear can be debilitating. You don't have the experience fear. It is your responsibility to choose how you react to all of this. Choose wisdom and peace as opposed to confusion and hostility.
solid advice man, between your post and talkin with my girl/parents a bit about it I feel a hell of a lot better. Seems pretty common I suppose but it was my first experience of that kind at all in a dream. I mean I've had bizarre dreams and the occasional nightmare (stuff like falling off a cliff and waking up on impact), but absolutely nothing that shifted into something so evil and dark feeling so quickly..I know it's a construct of my mind and I feel much more open and relaxed about it now but it was kind of haunting me last night.
As far as what you wrote about being able to sense different energies Ginseng, I think there may be some truth in your fiction and some fiction in your truth.
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Re: Saw two grays... [Re: Ginseng1]
#10668040 - 07/13/09 09:23 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Ginseng1, are you saying that the two entities you encountered had green skin rather than gray? Did they have any type of clothing or apparel on?
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