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n00b ShroomOp, with pics! +Update
    #7895458 - 01/17/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Hello all, just wanted to share my first grow with the rest of you. Much thanks to MushroomsRR/Roadkill for uploading their PF tek on youtube.

I went nuts looking for wide-mouthed jars, and two grocery stores later I settled for cheese shakers from the dollar store. I picked up 6 for $6. I used the PF tek ratio on all of them (they were bigger than 1/2 pint so I filled 1/3 of each shaker with dry verm, then my substrate on top of that).


I taped up the shakers with micro-pore tape, then covered in two layers of foil, held in place with rubber bands.


Threw 'em in a boiling pot for 90 mins then noc'ed em up with some Amazonian.


+4 days later I got worried about the breath-ability of the 3M micro-pore tape, which wasn't letting much gas exchange (no signs of myc growth). I took the tape off all of the shakers and put loose foil over the tops. Another +4 days and I'm seeing some myc growth, I'd say about 20% for each jar.





your feedback is appreciated.
will be updating soon!


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7895464 - 01/17/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

looks go0d, but did you think about how your gonna get the
cakes outta the jar? is the bottom gonna hold it in place?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: seg_x]
    #7895470 - 01/17/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

the shaker glass goes straight up (no shoulders) its just the screw on metal top that is tapered.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7895480 - 01/17/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

sweet,  :thumbup:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7895541 - 01/17/08 11:29 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

So, your dry verm is on the BOTTOM....as in NOT between your inoculation holes and the outside? The dry verm is supposed to act like a barrier between outside contams and th einside substrate. Hope that's myc man :smile:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7895606 - 01/17/08 11:45 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

yeah i put a 1/2 inch of dry verm on top as well. The point of the dry verm on the bottom is for filler, seeing as how my jars were more than 1/2 pint.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7895663 - 01/17/08 11:57 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Well..since there's two barriers, especially the one on the bottom, you might not have enough moisture. The dry vermiculite layer most likely sucked allot of it up.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: Beebo]
    #7895680 - 01/18/08 12:03 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

interesting point. any ideas for adding moisture at this point?
perhaps distilled water in a sterile syringe? However, that would probably fuck with the water levels of the mix.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: seg_x]
    #7895688 - 01/18/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

hey man you can and have the time to grow:mushroom2::rasta:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: endless clown]
    #7895700 - 01/18/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Well it depends really, if your cakes are a little too dry they'll just take longer to grow. However, if nothing happens at-all, then perhaps you might need to add more water. Unfortunately the procedure to introduce more water could very well cause contamination. Do you have any syringes?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: Beebo]
    #7895706 - 01/18/08 12:10 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

yeah i've got a couple of unused 19gauge 1.5 inch syringes.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7895721 - 01/18/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Just wait and leave the bottle alone. Don't try to "add water" after the fact because 1)It messes with the water content and 2)Very likely to introduce contams. Just wait. If they colonize Yay...if not they'll go real slow and you'll learn. If they stall out they'll start to pin and then you birth, wash off uncolonized bit and fruit.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: seg_x]
    #7895934 - 01/18/08 02:06 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Tapered jars aren't necessary unless you're fruiting straight off the cake  what I do is just take a sanitized knife and cut the cake in half both ways, using latex gloves I just pull out as much mycelium as I can reach and use the knife the get out the rest.

Break up everything add to poo like normal. :thumbup:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7896181 - 01/18/08 06:32 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I would have left the micro pore over the holes.. or atleast most of them. Leaving them open I imagine might dry out the cake. I dont think the bottom layer of verm is really going to SUCK the water out of your cake.... it will probably just collect excess moisture.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7896458 - 01/18/08 08:28 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Those shakers are actually a pretty good idea, not tapered and they already have inoculation holes. How much did you pay for those?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: donpatch]
    #7896470 - 01/18/08 08:31 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

im worried that they'll dry out. you shoulda silicond the extra holes.
not messed with the bottom verm, or should just done grains.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: galadar]
    #7896592 - 01/18/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

They're big, but the vermiculite packing is a great solution! The mycelium really does seem to like the plain vermiculite at the top of the jar, so if it had some to grow into at the bottom, it might be a good sponge to hold moisture later.

Just have to start off with moistened vermiculte when packing them.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: shroober]
    #7899103 - 01/18/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

a buck each from the local dollar store.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: galadar]
    #7899109 - 01/18/08 08:40 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

im going to see how far I can push it without changing the moisture content. Im doing good so far, steady myc growth since first posting this.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7899203 - 01/18/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

It's nice to see someone using their head instead of crying that they can't find jars :thumbup:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: FooMan]
    #7899283 - 01/18/08 09:20 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

dont do it2@@@!! you fuck!!


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: hunanbomb]
    #7899404 - 01/18/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

the fuck?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7899415 - 01/18/08 09:49 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i just took a peek at my jars, I'm up to 40-60% growth, each jar (Day 10).


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7899877 - 01/18/08 11:54 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Verm at the bottom shouldn't be a problem. I've done that before now.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: monkeybus]
    #7900020 - 01/19/08 01:11 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

If moisture content is an issue or concern, then when he births the cakes and they appear dried out a little, then couldn't he just use the dunk and roll tek? I'm curious myself:grin:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: FooMan]
    #7900032 - 01/19/08 01:23 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

You could have filled the jars past 3/4 full and added a dry verm. layer on top. just because the jars were slightly over 1 pt., they would have col. over time as long as you had your moisture content right. I'm no pro by any means but through trial and eror and the advice of from other people on this site your jars would have col. over time.
I seem to have the inoc. stage down down, but the the grow stage seems to neeed alittle work at this point. Keep reading and if first you don't succeed try again.
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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: fisher7989]
    #7900058 - 01/19/08 01:36 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

who's this shit face cock master bunanbomb ...... another noob who doesn't know jack shit


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: FooMan]
    #7900221 - 01/19/08 02:33 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

6 at a dollar each-dollar store.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: atomicblue]
    #7900375 - 01/19/08 03:33 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

fuck!!


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: hunanbomb]
    #7902397 - 01/19/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Update!



jars are coming along nicely, getting growth all around (40-75%). Im looking to birth in a week and a half or so.



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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7902533 - 01/19/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Nice job :laugh:im on my first grow still waiting for colonization.....


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: killerthc]
    #7902871 - 01/19/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

looks good man but I hope you plan on breaking all those up and useing them as a casing, they're about the size of a 125ml canning jar and they dont hold enough substrate (nutrients) to grow much at all...

Give er a shot and prove me wrong.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: Pr0_X]
    #7904018 - 01/19/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

they're between 450-550mL each.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7906360 - 01/20/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

They are the cheese shakers i believe not salt or pepper shakers...


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: killerthc]
    #7907842 - 01/20/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

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They are the cheese shakers i believe not salt or pepper shakers...




those things in pizzarias.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: galadar]
    #7907998 - 01/20/08 11:54 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

2 of my jars are at 80-90%
2 more are around 65-70%
and 2 more are around 50-60%

I guess I should use a staggered strategy for placing them in the terrarium in a week or so?

I was hoping to have some shrooms good to go for the 28th (my birthday), I guess I'll have to postpone the party in my pants (the pants party).


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7914497 - 01/22/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

shaker #4 - fully colonized (will be birthing in 5 days).
shaker #1 - 95% colonized.
shaker #3 and #5 - are around 75%
shaker #2 and #6 - are around 65% +

I was worried that numbers 2 and 6 were stalled. So 4 days ago I took a black dry-erase marker and outlined, on the shaker, the myc growth. Then yesterday I did the same again, but with a red marker.

Call me a nerd but observation-wise my marker tek really helped alot! will post pics when I get home.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7914502 - 01/22/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

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I was worried that numbers 2 and 6 were stalled. So 4 days ago I took a black dry-erase marker and outlined, on the shaker, the myc growth. Then yesterday I did the same again, but with a red marker.

Call me a nerd but observation-wise my marker tek really helped alot!





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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: shroober]
    #7914743 - 01/22/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

Why did you put verminculite in the bottom? Back when I was a n00bile whipper snapper we used to use pint jars, and had a grand old time with em'. Hell back in dem days we couldn't even find the large chunky size verminculite so we'd make our cakes out of the fine stuff, and that worked ok too. You kids today take your mushroom growins too serious, just think, for millions of years mushrooms have been growin just fine with out the help of man. They even grow on shit...

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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: MyOwnReality]
    #7914827 - 01/22/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

he said he put verm on the bottom for a filler

stop lecturing him Lol

I give the guy props for using cheese shakers. I saw a set of 12 for 4.50 at a wholesaler near me so I'm going to get 24 total and do up some jars PF style.

no verm on the bottom. if you use micropore tape wouldn't it be better than 1/2 jars as they get more gas exchange?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: flavoraid]
    #7914966 - 01/22/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 10 days ago)

hut!

micropore tape didnt work out for me. after they went into the sterilization boil, the adhesive became all gooey and hence non-porous. it was probably just the type of tape i was using.


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7918807 - 01/23/08 05:39 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

marker tek




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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7918813 - 01/23/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

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hut!

micropore tape didnt work out for me. after they went into the sterilization boil, the adhesive became all gooey and hence non-porous. it was probably just the type of tape i was using.




It's best to put on micropore on AFTER you get done pcing imo, I just use a q tip wipe and 91% alcohol on it and it works fine. :thumbup:


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7918815 - 01/23/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

now why didnt I think of that?


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Re: n00b ShroomOp, with pics! [Re: UCX_911]
    #7951633 - 01/29/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

the cake that i've birthed so far just keeps getting fatter.
I dunked & rolled it about 4 days ago, and its been consuming the layer of verm that covered it. It's absorbed all the water i've thrown at it with direct misting.

no pinning yet. i left it in the jar for an extra 6 days after 100% colonization.


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