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poof
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Why wait?
#7895409 - 01/17/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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In my efforts to reconsider old advice i have been given i am wondering why i always wait to case after i spawn. Is there any practical application, because it seems im just delaying the time it takes to pin.
My timeline ive been following so far:
spawn --> case = 8 days case --> pins = 8-10 days pins --> flush = 4-6 days
Does this timeline make any sense?
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Re: Why wait? [Re: poof]
#7895445 - 01/17/08 11:02 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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You don't go by a timeline. You use your grain spawn when it is 100% colonized, you wait until the bulk substrate you spawned to is completely colonized, then you case. after casing, you can fruit it then or wait a few days until you see myc poking up through the casing. If it takes 5 days or 3 weeks for colonization and pinning, so be it.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: FooMan]
#7895494 - 01/17/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yea not all grows are gonna be so timed. Give or take depending on wats up with your grow.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: seg_x]
#7895563 - 01/17/08 11:34 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Guys, he's asking why bother waiting to case it. Ithink the timeline was more to demonstrate that there's 8 days of waiting involved before he cases and then moves on to pinning the casing.
What he wants to know is why shouldn't he just case right off. Come on now, don't get lazy and not read a post all the way, it's bad form when someone's trying to learn.
I forget why you should wait to case myself or I'd speak up, but it's just something imprinted into my memory because I've seen it so often.
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poof
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Re: Why wait? [Re: Skeeblix]
#7896933 - 01/18/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Skeeblix understood my question. Well until someone can offer a logical explanation as to the purpose of an 8 day delay before casing then it probably is old bad advice.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: poof]
#7896950 - 01/18/08 10:47 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I just did 3 trays where I colonized straw, coffee and coir and added a coir casing layer on top all at the same time.
Myc. broke through the casing layer in 5 days. It's doubtful that the tray is 100% colonized beneath the casing layer. I think this because I created a very small tray in the similar fashion as a sacrificial grow.
I dumped the contents out to see how things were going and it was only 50% colonized. I think that the purpose of waiting until 100% colonization before adding a casing layer is to have a fresh new even layer of substrate to pin from once colonization is 100%.
The only thing that I am expecting is to get random shrooms and a pinset that is just as random with a project that needs harvesting and culling daily instead of one solid flush of great pinests at one time.
However, I go this tek from someone that grows hella great flushes and awesome pinsets. It appears you have to know when to patch and fruit to get the benefit from this method.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: Fraggin]
#7897029 - 01/18/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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My preference is to allow the substrate to fully colonize before adding the casing layer, but other growers put the casing on at spawning. Either way will work, but as said, my preference is the former. RR
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I would just assume that it would help to keep contams out.. a fully colonized substrate is very resilient... adding a casing layer may increase the chance of contamination of your bulk substrate before it has a chance to defend itself...
I just wait.. I have never had a problem with it... Why fix it if it aint broke?
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Quote:
DJYoshaBYD said: Why fix it if it aint broke?
Growers aren't consistent in skills/practice or environment across the board. No one thing is going to work for everyone. Some get better results when they change things up a bit.
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Re: Why wait? [Re: Fraggin]
#7897212 - 01/18/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I know that this isn't exactly what you're asking, but here is a good read on casing even later than you're thinking...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7708447#7708447
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poof
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Oh ok, i guess it makes sense to wait to give the poo time to colonize and gain resistance. I was under the impression that the casing had to colonize for it to pin. Hell, i dont know, its been so long since i have done this. Thanks for the advice everyone.
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