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marijuana legalization
    #7894400 - 01/17/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I'm writing a short little description of the problem of marijuana being illegal.

Then, a description of how we should fix the problem and discuss why it should be legal (using credible statistics, figures, etc.)

I am not able to write it right now, so I was wondering what points of view you all have.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7894479 - 01/17/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

If everybody in the UN took a bong hit, there would be no more war.





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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: g00ru]
    #7894506 - 01/17/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Too long of a post to write out lol.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: THEBats]
    #7894626 - 01/17/08 07:52 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Ahhhhhhh come on....


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7894640 - 01/17/08 07:55 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

marijuana legalization would make marjuuana safer, ie not laced with pcp, people know how to use it correctly

less criminal underground and gangs

less prison overcrowding

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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: PoisonedV]
    #7894666 - 01/17/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

i thought you were gonna write it?


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7894687 - 01/17/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

"but it send the children the wrong message."
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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7894697 - 01/17/08 08:09 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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KrishnaDreamer said:
i thought you were gonna write it?



I am, I just wanted some supporting arguments or if you want just list all the reasons that you guys feel it should be legal. That's basically what I'm wondering


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7894765 - 01/17/08 08:18 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

well, it'd help the economy, it'd help save trees, make more products with it, like paper, rope, medicine, food. it'd eliminate impure products like said above, it'd be cheaper, there'd be less paranoia, there'd be no drug trade for it, there'd be no more gang related deaths associated with marijuana. anybody who actually needed it for medical purposes could actually get it without hassel.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7894791 - 01/17/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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The Controlled Substances Act was enacted in 1970. The CSA is the legal basis by which the manufacture, importation, possession, and distribution of certain drugs are regulated by the Federal Government. According to the CSA, drugs in each class of Schedule must meet the requirements of that Schedule. The different classes and their requirements are:

  • Schedule I. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
  • Schedule II. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.
  • Schedule III. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
  • Schedule IV. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.
  • Schedule V. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.

Marijuana is a Schedule I drug. According to that, marijuana has high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical usese, and there's a lack of safety for it's use. These are all false.

Marijuana does not have a high potential for abuse. Like anything, it has a potential for abuse, but not a high potential.

13 States have legalized medical marijuana; there is a perscription pill called Marinol whose active ingredient is Dronabinol, a synthetic THC. Marinol (more specifically Dronabinol) has been rescheduled from Schedule I to Schedule III yet THC still remains Schedule I.

A report filed in 1988 by Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young suggested:

Quote:

The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record.

The administrative law judge recommends that the Administrator conclude that the marijuana plant considered as a whole has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, that there is no lack of accepted safety for use of it under medical supervision and that it may lawfully be transferred from Schedule I to Schedule II. The judge recommends that the Administrator transfer marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II.

-Source Here




Of course this was ignored. They won't listen to others, and they won't listen to one of their own. Who will they listen to?




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This section is an estimated, logical explanation of what could happen if Marijuana was legalized in the United States.

If marijuana were completely legalized, meaning the use of the hemp plant for industrial use as well as the use of the plant for recreational and medicinal purposes, this is what I estimate what would happen.

If marijuana was legalized, the government would place a Sin Tax on it, much like those in place for alcohol and tobacco. Less tax money would be spent in the prison systems on people who were arrested for personal use. The combination of money coming in from the Sin Tax, as well as the money not being spent incarcerating people who were arrested for small amounts could be put to better use, such as public education, health care, and a number of other causes that are being shadowed by the failed War on Drugs.

If legalized, it would be treated similar to that of alcohol and tobacco where a legal age is set. It could be purchased in pre-rolled joints and blunts at gas stations with identification proving your age. Also, you would be able to buy "raw" marijuana with the intent of rolling your own joints or blunts as well as for use in cooking, but up to a certain legal limit. Also, it could be possible to grow a certain number of plants for personal use. Much in the way the people can have a vegetable garden, marijuana aficionados would be able to grow their own plants for their own use and experience some of the vast varieties that they may not come across in their local market.

I believe that, yes, more people would start smoking marijuana. But these people are mainly the ones who were holding back only because of the legal status it carried, those who didn't want to break the law but were curious about marijuana. People who have been smoking it would be able to smoke without fear of fines and punishment as long as it is done responsibly.

Laws would have to be setup, much like there are laws for alcohol and tobacco. A law would be enacted so that people under a certain age would not be able to purchase it, and if found with it or high would be charged with Underage Possession/Intoxication and appropriately fined.

With more people using marijuana, more people will experience appetite stimulation. In turn, the food industry would start to make more money from people experiencing this affect of marijuana.

It is very likely that the major tobacco companies have factories that could easily be converted to grow marijuana plants, so where actual cigarette sales would probably experience a slight decline, the tobacco companies would be ready to compensate by making their own marijuana products available for consumers.

All of that just from the recreational use of marijuana. Now how about the industrial uses of the plant.

The timber industry would start to feel a decline due to the revitalization of hemp paper. It takes years to grow trees to their full potential for making paper. It takes roughly 120 days for a marijuana plant to be ready for cultivation, and an acre of marijuana plants can produce the equivalent of 4 acres of trees. The steel industry would also feel a decline because the oils extracted from marijuana plants can be cheaply processed into a plastic that is lighter than steel and 10 times stronger. The cotton industry would also be threatened because of the durability of hemp finders. Marijuana could be just as cheap as cotton to harvest with the completion of a machine that is the equivalent of the Cotton Gin. The oil industry would also be at risk because oils can be processed into a biodiesel fuel that is more efficient and cleaner burning than the current fossil fuels.

The main thing keeping this from happening are those industries listed above. They spend good money every year to make sure that anti-marijuana legislation stays the way it is. If they took the money the would spend over the course of a few years, and put it towards converting some factories and processes, and embracing the usefulness of the hemp plant, they too could profit from its legalization.




I wrote these for a website I was working on. Please don't plagiarize my work.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7894794 - 01/17/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Perhaps they can make it legal, but there are stipulations that must be met in order to be a lawful user:

-Civilian to civilian exchange of money for marijuana is illegal.

-If one wishes to grow it, they must obtain the seeds through a registered online vendor, or a government regulated smoke shop, and must grow it only for themselves. Intent to distribute for the purpose of selling will be punishable by law.

-Distribution can only be lawful if given without the exchange of any goods, services or monies.

-Marijuana can only be purchased from government regulated/taxed smoke shops.

With the purpose of self cultivation, the user will acquire valuable knowledge, while keeping the possible occurrence of competition and illegal sale/trade to a minimum.

I believe this could be a great first step into legalization. It gives the government control (which is what they only care for) and gives the civilians who choose to use it freedom as well. Later amendments can be made to suit the developing societal circumstances.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: citricacidx]
    #7894855 - 01/17/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

citricacidx said:
Quote:

The Controlled Substances Act was enacted in 1970. The CSA is the legal basis by which the manufacture, importation, possession, and distribution of certain drugs are regulated by the Federal Government. According to the CSA, drugs in each class of Schedule must meet the requirements of that Schedule. The different classes and their requirements are:


  • Schedule I. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
  • Schedule II. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substances may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.
  • Schedule III. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.
  • Schedule IV. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule III.
  • Schedule V. -
    o (A) The drug or other substance has a low potential for abuse relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.
    o (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
    o (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to limited physical dependence or psychological dependence relative to the drugs or other substances in schedule IV.


Marijuana is a Schedule I drug. According to that, marijuana has high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical usese, and there's a lack of safety for it's use. These are all false.

Marijuana does not have a high potential for abuse. Like anything, it has a potential for abuse, but not a high potential.

13 States have legalized medical marijuana; there is a perscription pill called Marinol whose active ingredient is Dronabinol, a synthetic THC. Marinol (more specifically Dronabinol) has been rescheduled from Schedule I to Schedule III yet THC still remains Schedule I.

A report filed in 1988 by Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young suggested:

Quote:

The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision. It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record.

The administrative law judge recommends that the Administrator conclude that the marijuana plant considered as a whole has a currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, that there is no lack of accepted safety for use of it under medical supervision and that it may lawfully be transferred from Schedule I to Schedule II. The judge recommends that the Administrator transfer marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule II.

-Source Here




Of course this was ignored. They won't listen to others, and they won't listen to one of their own. Who will they listen to?




and

Quote:

This section is an estimated, logical explanation of what could happen if Marijuana was legalized in the United States.

If marijuana were completely legalized, meaning the use of the hemp plant for industrial use as well as the use of the plant for recreational and medicinal purposes, this is what I estimate what would happen.

If marijuana was legalized, the government would place a Sin Tax on it, much like those in place for alcohol and tobacco. Less tax money would be spent in the prison systems on people who were arrested for personal use. The combination of money coming in from the Sin Tax, as well as the money not being spent incarcerating people who were arrested for small amounts could be put to better use, such as public education, health care, and a number of other causes that are being shadowed by the failed War on Drugs.

If legalized, it would be treated similar to that of alcohol and tobacco where a legal age is set. It could be purchased in pre-rolled joints and blunts at gas stations with identification proving your age. Also, you would be able to buy "raw" marijuana with the intent of rolling your own joints or blunts as well as for use in cooking, but up to a certain legal limit. Also, it could be possible to grow a certain number of plants for personal use. Much in the way the people can have a vegetable garden, marijuana aficionados would be able to grow their own plants for their own use and experience some of the vast varieties that they may not come across in their local market.

I believe that, yes, more people would start smoking marijuana. But these people are mainly the ones who were holding back only because of the legal status it carried, those who didn't want to break the law but were curious about marijuana. People who have been smoking it would be able to smoke without fear of fines and punishment as long as it is done responsibly.

Laws would have to be setup, much like there are laws for alcohol and tobacco. A law would be enacted so that people under a certain age would not be able to purchase it, and if found with it or high would be charged with Underage Possession/Intoxication and appropriately fined.

With more people using marijuana, more people will experience appetite stimulation. In turn, the food industry would start to make more money from people experiencing this affect of marijuana.

It is very likely that the major tobacco companies have factories that could easily be converted to grow marijuana plants, so where actual cigarette sales would probably experience a slight decline, the tobacco companies would be ready to compensate by making their own marijuana products available for consumers.

All of that just from the recreational use of marijuana. Now how about the industrial uses of the plant.

The timber industry would start to feel a decline due to the revitalization of hemp paper. It takes years to grow trees to their full potential for making paper. It takes roughly 120 days for a marijuana plant to be ready for cultivation, and an acre of marijuana plants can produce the equivalent of 4 acres of trees. The steel industry would also feel a decline because the oils extracted from marijuana plants can be cheaply processed into a plastic that is lighter than steel and 10 times stronger. The cotton industry would also be threatened because of the durability of hemp finders. Marijuana could be just as cheap as cotton to harvest with the completion of a machine that is the equivalent of the Cotton Gin. The oil industry would also be at risk because oils can be processed into a biodiesel fuel that is more efficient and cleaner burning than the current fossil fuels.

The main thing keeping this from happening are those industries listed above. They spend good money every year to make sure that anti-marijuana legislation stays the way it is. If they took the money the would spend over the course of a few years, and put it towards converting some factories and processes, and embracing the usefulness of the hemp plant, they too could profit from its legalization.




I wrote these for a website I was working on. Please don't plagiarize my work.



This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, thank you a lot. I won't plagarize of course, I just needed a kind of boost to help me get my mind thinking about it again. You have my word, I will not copy or plagarize anything.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7895149 - 01/17/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I don't think weed will ever be "legal" like people think, eventually it will be legal to cultivate your own weed though. You won't go to the gas station and buy pot. It won't be like that.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7895236 - 01/17/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Of course, there will be heavy regulation on the sale and purchase of the drug but still, as long as the people are able to do what they want with their bodies (ie. smoking a plant), than I am satisfied.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7895250 - 01/17/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
I don't think weed will ever be "legal" like people think, eventually it will be legal to cultivate your own weed though. You won't go to the gas station and buy pot. It won't be like that.




Why would the government not capitalize on one of the biggest financial opportunities ever? It'll either remain illegal, or the government will benefit by taxing it like cigarettes or alcohol. They're not going to just give free reign for people to grow their own and continue to deal it.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: TylerxDurden]
    #7895256 - 01/17/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Yeah, I'd rather have it like that anyway. A lot of people think that it's going to be like alcohol or tobacco once it's legal, and that will never happen.


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: citricacidx]
    #7895258 - 01/17/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Because people are starting to realize the truth? eventually the government will lose..


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7895318 - 01/17/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
Because people are starting to realize the truth? eventually the government will lose..




yea the truth that weed makes you gay...


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: THEBats]
    #7895335 - 01/17/08 10:35 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

:rofl2:


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Re: marijuana legalization [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7895365 - 01/17/08 10:43 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Caribou_Lou said:
:rofl2:




yea I wish I could still find it.  there was this anti-weed video where two guys were sitting in the front toking.  One guy is the back.  Well all of a sudden the two guys up front start making out.  The guy in the back, disgusted, says, "what are you doing?"  The stop and look opposite ways embarrassed.  The guy in the back then says, "arnt you guys brothers?"  Something along those lines.

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I found the vid.  Watch it here: http://adage.com/video/Player.php?s=OjEwNDc6N2VmZjNmMmQ6MQ


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