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 Re: Faht makes a bulk tub  [Re: sonicnirvana] 1
#7904016 - 01/19/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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 , flush... let me know how it goes.. the way I look at it.. the sooner the better because the less amount of nutes used to "colonize" after full colonization the more available for fruiting... also the same being true for water resources. 
thanks mesc.
I pasteurize the casing layer like I do with the substrate (in oven bags), but less time since it isn't as dense nor as much in volume. about two hours.. if you think back to the bit of "shroom math" that we did with the layering, about four handfuls did one layer of bulk substrate, so about three will do a thin layer of casing material... so for the six tubs I made about 20 (to be safe, don't want to not have enough) handfuls of casing material (70/30 verm to coir). all I did was use a latex gloved hand cleaned with iso and gently laid the casing layer out... if this hobby has taught me anything, it's patience... I'll take all freakin day to do it if need be.. because the alternative is nothing but the possibility of wasted time, money, and sleep.
and actually, now that I think about it... I haven't necessarily learned more patience.. I really only learned that I need many things going at once so that I have multiple things to check on in my daily routine.. lol (thats soooo freakin funny to me, idk if it is to anyone else) i.e., many projects to take pics of and report back on or inoculate etc. LOL just freakin realized that... so just grow more shrooms yo.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#7904363 - 01/20/08 01:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok, so I'm about to go on a drunk rant. lol
first of all, I'd like to apologize to those that I pissed off in the past.. namely, agar, magash, RR... I said some pretty shitty things to you.. BUT heres why I get so up in arms...
I post my findings and ways about doing things to help others.. and yes we are ultimately nameless faces.. but the fact still remains that we do these things to escort others through problems that we have faced in an attempt to guide peeps passed those problems. There once was a time that we (the human race) didn't have monetary reasons for doing anything. I can only imagine that we did things for others based on the pleasure and ease that it brought them... A simple thank you was enough.. although I'm sure it was something quite different than that. lol
I'm going to give you an example of why I do anything (and possibly you should too) for anyone else... not only on the OMC but in R/L also..
All energy in a system is conserved... right? none can be either lost nor gained... it's like a balloon.. if you inflate a balloon and tie it off... think of the balloon and air in the balloon as a single system... the air contained within as the energy.. none can be lost nor gained (nevermind that the balloon will deflate with time lol). well, if you think of the edges of the universe as the balloon and everything (us included) as the air (energy), it's all the same thing just in different forms.. so we are of the same existence.. everything in the room is of the same energy (at it's purest form)... none lost, none gained... you've always been here and you'll never leave. lol I think thats what ego loss it.. realizing you are in a balloon. bound here for eternity and for some that can be scary as hell. I once stood on the edge of space and stared into it scared shitless... I came too and was depressed for months.. no shit.. but then I realized that that "space" I was staring into was but a mirror... that space was "me" and there was no reason to be scared...
ok, with that said... let me explain my take on time and space. hahaha... first off, for this whole thing to go off right, you must concur that the universe is expanding at an infinite rate in all directions.. even if you believe in the "big bang", eventually, light will be at the forefront of the expansion, since light is the fastest known "thing" in the universe... it will surpass all given time.. and even if it (the universe) not only expands, but contracts like a breath, the result is infinite..
Ok, if you accept that, then proceed..
if space is expanding in all directions infinitely, there is no "real" direction.. anywhere you are in an infinite space, you are in the "middle"... move three inches to the left, you're in the middle, move another three inches, you're in the middle.. and so on. we use direction (up, down, left, right, over there, here, etc.) to simply organize our lives on this planet, but in the very "big" of it all it's irrelevant..
What is time? time is simply movement... take point "A" and point "B"... move from point "A" to point "B"... how long did it take? you just invented time. lol thats why space and time are so closely related.. you can't have one without the other. movement through space creates time.
ok, heres why we'll never ever ever EVER be able to go back in time... it's impossible in all ways.. ok, so you're in that infinite space... there is no direction... up, down, left, right doesn't exist.. you're at point "A"... you move two feet "forward"... now remember movement equals time... since you moved to point "B", now try to move back to point "A"... you CAN'T. lol because ANY movement is a "forward" movement in an infinite space. because direction doesn't exist... if you're going anywhere in an infinite space, you're going "forward".
let me explain further... there is no point "B"... it's a ghost point.. the INSTANT (and that word doesn't even come close to describing it) you move from point "A", you create another point "A" because there is no direction. you are always in the middle of the universe... there is only a point "A"... so even if you "try" to go back in time, you are only moving in one direction... the "one" (point "A") middle to middle to middle to middle... there is no "back" (point "B")... time only moves one way and thats the only way... any movement is a "forward" one... and even calling it "forward" is incorrect as it implies there is a "backward". lol we all experience the same amount of "change" (time) because we're all on the same rock flying through space at 117,000 miles per hour. what happens to astronauts when they live off the "rock" for an extended period of time.. they age differently, their notion of time is different, etc.
Thats what the "moment" is... the instantaneous change from point "A" to point "A" to point "A" to point "A"... everything that was here in this moment forever has always been here... just in different forms. lol the conservation of energy in a given system.
so there is only one way things can happen and thats the way they do happen... life is about acceptance.. once you accept those things you can't change, you'll live a very full filling life.
That brings me to the notion of religion (I told you this was a drunk rant lol)... I happen to think we are in "heaven" lol where EVERYTHING is possible... hate, love, war, misery, excitement, pain, pleasure, etc., it's all here... the entire spectrum.. who wants only the left part of the spectrum? only the "good"? they say you are in heaven for eternity... when does that start? in a little bit? that doesn't make sense.. eternity = infinite... infinite = all directions... even backwards... so that means we've always been in this place and are going nowhere else but this place... so this place = heaven, where all things are possible (as I see it) anyway... even if you went to a place that all "good" things happened, eventually the good things would feel normal... kinda like I feel after a good nights sleep. lol because there is no other contrast to the "good"... "only 'good' over time" = normal.
And if you really want that "only good" feeling, learn how to lucid dream... it's all there... your wildest "good" fantasies await you every time you hit the pillow..
so thats why I do what I do on a daily basis.. "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." couldn't have said it better myself.
thank you's and a little credit is far more important to me than anything else in this universe... the knowing that I helped someone (even if distant) is far better than any amount of money could be... I've had lots of money and it did me no better than having none. Mo' Money, Mo' problems. lol
And thats why I get so up in arms about little things like thank you's. lol I can't believe I just typed all that. but anyway.. even this post contradicts itself and the fact that I'm ranting to an audience of myself is pointless.... yet it feels good.
anyway, hope I haven't made an ass of myself. lol
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Edited by fahtster (01/20/08 01:49 AM)
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#7907794 - 01/20/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is the greatest drunken rant(or should I say read) I ever heard! Plus the perfect grow log to follow by. You are now my top shroomery Guru! Yes I am also drunk!
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: Rylmonkey] 1
#7912665 - 01/21/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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makes sense to me and im not drunk i was actually talkin about something like this the other day, lol. its all a neverending cycle
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: donpatch] 1
#7945488 - 01/28/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thx for the nice picto
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#8877815 - 09/04/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then I take a clean knife and poke small holes all over the bag about every two inches to let the substrate breathe while it cools... if you don't do this, you'll probably end up with bacteria infestation.. I've had it happen.
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Sorry to bump an old post but I just read this and was wondering why letting them cool slowly in the bag without poking holes in the bag is bad? I've been doing it for a while without any problems. I am just curious as to why the holes are better for the bags before I start doing it myself.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: nugjug] 1
#8878808 - 09/04/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a pretty interesting tek. Since I have two 58 qt sterilite tubs and 4 pint jars that are fully colonized in my fridge awaiting a glove box, you can only guess what I will be trying next.
Shroom on mate!
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: emerich] 1
#8878852 - 09/04/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have 2 36 gallon tubs. Mine are bigger than yours 
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#9103456 - 10/20/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes this is an old thread .... but an awesome one at that! Very interesting. So Faht ... your simply exposing them to fresh air and light right from the time you spawn - awesome. Makes great sense in that you dont waste nutrients, time, and water content for excess colonization.
Two questions:
#1 - Do you ever have instances where they start pinning/fruiting BEFORE full colonization? If so what do you do about it?
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Quoting you: "Now I even air these out about every other day while they are colonizing.. neglect works, but not as well as a little tender care. if you have the time, do iiiiit."
What do you mean by "air them out during colonization" ??
Are you fanning them during colonization!?? God I would think contams contams .. lol. Please let me know on this, this is a great way to do things and makes life much simpler and I think a lot of peeps could benefit.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: OZZ] 1
#9103637 - 10/20/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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it means he fans them. spray lysol in the air. wait a little bit then open them up. still put plastic wrap over the top. I use that cling shit. Its like cyran wrap with a sticky side. Way easier to use.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: Shr00mZ] 1
#9103875 - 10/20/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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it means he fans them. spray lysol in the air. wait a little bit then open them up. still put plastic wrap over the top. I use that cling shit. Its like cyran wrap with a sticky side. Way easier to use.
Regular lysol in the air isn't such a great idea as that's not what its meant for and will be ineffective.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: FooMan] 1
#9103897 - 10/20/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice job man
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: justAdream] 1
#9106584 - 10/20/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, it seems you've caught me on a good day... I don't usually check the forums anymore. I've been good. Busy with life etc.. Got some pretty good things goin' on in a lot of areas of ma world so I've retired growing... too much at risk and I've got enough fruits to last me a couple lifetimes. but I can answer your questions.
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#1 - Do you ever have instances where they start pinning/fruiting BEFORE full colonization? If so what do you do about it?
I never really had that problem. These are pretty high spawn ratio tubs. 5 qts to 10 wet lbs of sub. So they colonized fully pretty fast... about 9 days usually. And right about that time they started pinning. Air and light are big pinning triggers, but so is how long a substrate is colonized. If there is a low spawn ratio, the tub is going to take longer to colonize... obviously. And the areas that the myc jumps off the spawn grain first are going to be colonized the longest. So if the ratio is low, the myc is going to still be colonizing bulk sub when that first colonized part near the grain is ready to start pinning.
The other part is how these tubs are set up... Since there is two qts of grain directly below (layering) the top 1" of bulk sub, that grain only has to eat through well, 1" of substrate and does so pretty quickly. The earliest that I've had pinning start was about 98% colonized (so like a nickle sized spot here and there) which is exactly what I was looking for... Then I did a late case. Those uncolonized parts eventually filled in... I'm assuming anyway, as they were cased. lol
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Quoting you: "Now I even air these out about every other day while they are colonizing.. neglect works, but not as well as a little tender care. if you have the time, do iiiiit."
What do you mean by "air them out during colonization" ??
Are you fanning them during colonization!?? God I would think contams contams .. lol. Please let me know on this, this is a great way to do things and makes life much simpler and I think a lot of peeps could benefit.
Yeah, I air them out from day one. But only every other day during colonization. Too much Co2 isn't good either. And if you're pasteurizing correctly, there's no reason to worry about contams from one airing out every other day. You could probably oust and keep the air still for a half hour before hand if you're that worried about it. I never had problems though. And you're only really relieving the top layer of sub exposed to the inside of the bin of high Co2 saturation. Since they are made with a garbage bag liner doubled up, the liner touching the substrate pulls away with it... so the Co2 build up is kept pretty high within the substrate as it's trapped there via the bag and substrate block itself. I've actually noticed the colonization speed up in tubs because I relieved the Co2 build up with the air out once every other day. Myc grows faster in high Co2... to a point, but so do contams. But that's just what I've seen/experienced... try it, if you like it, use it.
And it's always good to know the most about the isolate/strain variety you're using. If it pins extremely fast, you may want to skip the colonization airing outs. Thanks for the props!
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: nugjug] 1
#9106638 - 10/20/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then I take a clean knife and poke small holes all over the bag about every two inches to let the substrate breathe while it cools... if you don't do this, you'll probably end up with bacteria infestation.. I've had it happen.
fahtster
Sorry to bump an old post but I just read this and was wondering why letting them cool slowly in the bag without poking holes in the bag is bad? I've been doing it for a while without any problems. I am just curious as to why the holes are better for the bags before I start doing it myself.
sorry I didn't get back to ya... if you're not having problems with it, just keep on doing it the way that's working for ya.. I just had problems with bacteria when leaving them sit in the bag. Mighta had something to do with the size that I was pasteurizing... maybe didn't get pasteurized as thoroughly as I thought, but after I poked the holes in the bags, they were fine.
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Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#9106653 - 10/20/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been good. Busy with life etc.. Got some pretty good things goin' on in a lot of areas of ma world so I've retired growing...
Gotta be a woman. 
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#10687972 - 07/16/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know this thread is pretty old, but I was curious about how the 6 mil bags hold up compared to oven bags when pasteurizing. I think ive read of people using the 2 mil bags as well.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: Samurai_Jim] 1
#10688223 - 07/16/09 01:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is friggin awesome! That is what I am shooting for. Thanks for the write up.
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: fahtster] 1
#10688343 - 07/16/09 02:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Faht makes a bulk tub [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#11191364 - 10/06/09 01:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been good. Busy with life etc.. Got some pretty good things goin' on in a lot of areas of ma world so I've retired growing...
Gotta be a woman.
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hahaha, how do you retire from growing? quit kidding yourself, you'll be back...
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Great tek!!
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