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MindFood
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Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh
#7893891 - 01/17/08 04:44 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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This may be a bit of a stupid question, but i just wanted to check to see if i'm missing something, basically is the dried flesh any stronger than buying the powdered cacti.
I've experimented with Mescaline a number of times and love the stuff. Whenever i have had it in the past i got dried Peruvian torch powder, for a strong trip i would dose about 100g of this powder. I have just been checking out the another retailer that sells the Peruvian torch cacti but just the dried flesh instead of the powder.
"20gms for 2-4 people in a tea is a good dose"
this is what it says, this would suggest the flesh is about 10-20 times stronger than the powder i was buying before, or is this just bullshit. I can't really see 20g being enough for 2-4 people but i just want to check before getting 100g of this stuff and then finding out afterwards.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: MindFood]
#7893957 - 01/17/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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i dont see how thats possible but it is possible that the recipe for powder doesnt have skins which are very high in mescaline but dont powder well.
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No idea about that site making that claim, but trichocereus skin powders just fine, once dried properly.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: unbeliever]
#7894069 - 01/17/08 05:32 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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if you get green skin and pulverize it yourself you can get more green for your buck, otherwise that gray matter for some extraction tek
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: eve69]
#7894112 - 01/17/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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When you buy skins, you see what you're getting- the green skin, which is the most potent.
When you buy powder, you have to trust the person you're buying it from. They could throw in everything including the core, which has very little mescaline content, for the sake of boosting their quantity for sale.
Even if the product you are considering is the strongest PT on record, 20 grams per person is more like a starting dose.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: eve69]
#7894139 - 01/17/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Still no one has really answered my main question.
Obviously the mescaline content varies from cacti to cacti but what i'd like to know from someone with experience using the dried chips is:
Would 100g of the dried chips be a stupidly excessive amount (since this retailers claims make it sound pretty damn strong) or is it likely to be a comparatively strong, mind blowing experience like that of 100g of the powdered Peruvians?
Edited by MindFood (01/17/08 05:58 PM)
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: MindFood]
#7894168 - 01/17/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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MindFood said: Still no one has really answered my main question.
Obviously the mescaline content varies from cacti to cacti but what i'd like to know from someone with experience using the dried chips is:
Would 100g of the dried chips be a stupidly excessive amount or is it likely to be a comparatively strong, mind blowing experience like that of 100g of the powdered Peruvians?
As the poster indicated above... if the 100g of powder you had was all from chips, and just the good green parts then it should be approx the same as 100g of just chips. Ie, the same difference as if you ground the 100g of chips. But if the powder was actually from the whole cactus, including the core and everything else, it would be weaker by weight. By that logic, 100g of powder would only be about the same or less than 100g of just the good parts dried out. Of course you have to account for potency variance between individuals. None of this is to be considered dosage advise either, just an observation and basic logic.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: MindFood]
#7894191 - 01/17/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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100g flesh is 100g flesh...
Everything else is marketing propaganda...
It varies based on the cactus and quality of the prep, but I doubt it would be TOO MUCH stronger than the stuff you had before.
I would say at least 30-40g per person...
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: MindFood]
#7898207 - 01/18/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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MindFood said: Still no one has really answered my main question.
Obviously the mescaline content varies from cacti to cacti but what i'd like to know from someone with experience using the dried chips is:
Would 100g of the dried chips be a stupidly excessive amount (since this retailers claims make it sound pretty damn strong) or is it likely to be a comparatively strong, mind blowing experience like that of 100g of the powdered Peruvians?
So you're wanting someone to substantiate your vendor's claims of his product's potency? Sorry, can't do that from here.
If it's typical Peruvian Torch cactus of this planet, 35 grams should be a good starting dose per person.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: 04281969]
#7898583 - 01/18/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Discussion of potency in this manner is worthless.
First off you shouldn't be ordering "cactus flesh" online...
There is no way to find out what the potency of that flesh is until you sample it yourself.
For example...
Some people like to call "T. cuzcoensis" cacti "T. peruvianus". The two species are very closely related but Cuzcoensis contains almost no mescaline. So...how do you know which vendor is selling Cuzcoensis and which one is selling peruvainus?
You don't....unless...
You grow you own cacti!
Stop ordering shit off the internet just to get high, grow the cacti, learn to respect them and learn something about them.
It's much more rewarding then just eating a bunch of dead cactus to get high.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: FarFromHere]
#7901493 - 01/19/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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True, you do need to be conscious of what you are buying. Here's a link that discusses the T. cuzcoensis/ T. peruvianus confusion. http://www.thenook.org/archives/tek/genusT.htm
And yes, you can grow your own different plants, like a San Pedro, Peruvian Torch, a hybrid short-spined PT, a couple peyote, and a bridgesii, and still order PT chips online from the native Shipibo people who harvest the original Peruvianus cactus from the Matucana region in Peru.
If you know and trust your source, you can get good stuff.
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: 04281969]
#7901597 - 01/19/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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and still order PT chips online from the native Shipibo people who harvest the original Peruvianus cactus from the Matucana region in Peru.
And where might I find those?
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: FarFromHere]
#7901828 - 01/19/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Well, okay. Maybe that isn't 100% accurate. This is Julio.

He is allowed by the community to harvest cactus on their land. Not sure if I can post sources here. (Even if it is sold only for incense base and pigment.)
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Re: Dried Peruvian Torch Flesh [Re: MindFood]
#8442879 - 05/25/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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The quantity of powdered cactus required is not a standard amount. I have grown cactuses for years, and different strains of the same species can vary as much as 400% as to the quantity required. If you are purchasing your dried product, you will find a greater variance in potency. The only way to learn the potency of your cactus, is to make a large batch of tea and try it at the dosage you have posted first. You then can adjust according to your experience. I have stopped the tea, and I now use one of the chemical extractions that can be found on the web. It is really quite simple to separate the mescalito, and you know from the yield how potent your raw product is.
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