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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897141 - 01/18/08 12:08 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I am not motivated by the idea of total liberation at this point, I am motivated by comfort and sensual pleasure. I am still clinging to physical things, but its so hard for me not to. Hopefully one day I will be motivated by the desire to end my own suffering.


IMO and experience comfort and sensual pleasure are not a cause of suffering but instead reasons for living. We are physical and involved in a physical experience and so IMO the best thing to to is to explore it, experience it, and learn from it, and hopefully enjoy much of it.

What brings suffering IMO is attachment to our pleasures and refusal to let them come to a natural end.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7897188 - 01/18/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Yes I know its the attachment to comfort and pleasure that is the problem. I know that pleasure and comfort are not intrinsically bad, but it easy to get caught by them, to become attached.

I agree that we live for pleasure and comfort, and sometimes i am inclined to believe thats why we are born to begin with, to seek comfort and pleasure. The thing is, with comfort and pleasure comes discomfort and displeasure, and therefore, suffering. So by being born, we are being born as the heirs to suffering.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897223 - 01/18/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

No, through suffering we can learn how not to suffer.
To draw a similarity, when we're born we don't know how to walk. And until we do we fall. You can't say that it is because of the walking that we fall. It is because we just didn't learn all the tricks yet.
Sure, we might fall even as adults, but we don't do it that often, do we?
In fact we usually do it so rarely that we stop creating a purpose out of not falling and simply enjoy the walk. :sun:


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7897253 - 01/18/08 12:38 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I do not really see how your post is disagreeing with me, so why start if off with a negative "no," as though I am wrong about something?

I did not say we cannot learn how to reduce suffering.

Also, can you learn how to not feel pain, can you learn how not to die, can you learn how to prevent people who you care about from dying, can you actually learn how to avoid suffering altogether? It seems to me with out suffering, there can be no pleasure. So there is always some suffering in life, which is what I was saying.


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.


Edited by badreligion2good (01/18/08 12:41 PM)


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897266 - 01/18/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Because I consider it to be huge difference between making a purpose out of ridding suffering and simply learning how to cope with it while actually taking life as it is.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7897303 - 01/18/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Those are your views on suffering and not the end all be all FACTS on suffering. Do not try to project your reality onto mine. There is no right or wrong regarding the subject, therefore your belief that you have right view regarding suffering is a delusion.

My views on suffering are as valid as yours, no need to tell me I am wrong. I am not saying you are.


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Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897306 - 01/18/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

discomfort and displeasure, and therefore, suffering.

Discomfort and displeasure do not cause suffering IMO. It's, once again, our attachment to not experiencing these things. For instance, I can ignore a certain pain and often not even feel it if I am engaged in something interesting. Yet when I focus on that pain and put my energy into resisting it's presence it feels much worse and more real. Yet it seems that it's happening in my mind. (Which is it, a pain that feels painful or a pain that doesn't intrude???????)


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7897314 - 01/18/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

This is completely derailed now, time to lock it up and open a new thread on suffering. Nothing to do with Buddhism and Marijuana anymore.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897327 - 01/18/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Go for it but know that threads here always derail at a certain point and create a life and direction of their own. I have learned to follow.(non-attachment:lol:)


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (01/18/08 12:55 PM)


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897332 - 01/18/08 12:57 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

badreligion2good said:
Those are your views on suffering and not the end all be all FACTS on suffering. Do not try to project your reality onto mine. There is no right or wrong regarding the subject, therefore your belief that you have right view regarding suffering is a delusion.

My views on suffering are as valid as yours, no need to tell me I am wrong. I am not saying you are.




It's called debate.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897344 - 01/18/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

badreligion2good said:
Those are your views on suffering and not the end all be all FACTS on suffering. Do not try to project your reality onto mine. There is no right or wrong regarding the subject, therefore your belief that you have right view regarding suffering is a delusion.

My views on suffering are as valid as yours, no need to tell me I am wrong. I am not saying you are.




What?
Telling you that you are wrong doesn't automatically imply that you are.
Although, not finding an argument for your statements might make one wonder how clear you have in your mind what you want to explain.
Why should you take offense for someone not agreeing with your views?
Diversity (of any kind) enriches our lives and sets us free from the slavery of fixed ideas.
I might be "wrong" in the same proportion that you are, this doesn't have to stop you or I from explaining our points of view as good as we can.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7897356 - 01/18/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Go for it but know that threads here always derail at a certain point and create a life and direction of their own. I have learned to follow.(non-attachment:lol:)




I believe the all-time P&S record was five posts before derailment, with two being about average.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7897427 - 01/18/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

You're right, I am just in a bad mood today. A little bit stressed out and touchy. I understand its in the spirit of debate.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897432 - 01/18/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7897436 - 01/18/08 01:35 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

You're right, I am just in a bad mood today.attachment A little bit stressed outattachment and touchyattachment


:rofl2:


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Edited by Icelander (01/18/08 01:35 PM)


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7897447 - 01/18/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Someone here is attached to their cleverness. :yesnod:


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7897451 - 01/18/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

But you can overcome this my friend. I believe in you.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7897776 - 01/18/08 03:11 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

how does :lol: :crazy2: or  :rofl2: have anything to do with an intelligent debate? It almost dumbs it down a little don't you think?


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Love Cap]
    #7897821 - 01/18/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Criticism of the emoticons will likely only beget more emoticons..


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: WScott]
    #7897851 - 01/18/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

of course, everyone's gotta be a smart ass! haha


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