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dblaney
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Personally, I smoke pot and use psychedelics pretty often, and i have no problem with others using them, but I do not think that they are the path to total liberation.
From your posts, you sound pretty knowledgeable about Buddhist practice. Why then do you smoke pot and trip if you don't think they are the path to total liberation?
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Love Cap]
#7896615 - 01/18/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Love Cap said: LSD is a different thing. I think that mother earth gave us things like mushrooms, DMT, San Pedro, etc. for a reason.
I think the Flying Spaghetti Monster is Lord.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Rose]
#7896618 - 01/18/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Cervantes said: Mushrooms are God's gift to man.
LSD is man's gift to man.
Silly boy, Tricks are for kids.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: dblaney]
#7896628 - 01/18/08 09:16 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Personally, I smoke pot and use psychedelics pretty often, and i have no problem with others using them, but I do not think that they are the path to total liberation.
From your posts, you sound pretty knowledgeable about Buddhist practice. Why then do you smoke pot and trip if you don't think they are the path to total liberation?
Because thinking something isn't being something. No one I have ever met has demonstrated total liberation in living and yet so many of them claimed to know it's reality.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
#7896639 - 01/18/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Many talk the talk but don't walk the walk. Usually the people walking the walk don't do too much of the talking - their actions alone usually spark curiosity and interest in others. Then they will talk when others approach them and ask "how do you do it?"
I can see smoking occasionally not being a problem, but I don't think the Buddhist doctrine can be lived parallel to a stoner lifestyle. I think that much is obvious.
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Usually the people walking the walk don't do too much of the talking - their actions alone usually spark curiosity and interest in others. Then they will talk when others approach them and ask "how do you do it?"
Most likely an Urban Legend.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
#7896691 - 01/18/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Not really, I've talked a few times about a friend I have who is asked this all the time. People know that there is something different about him. He is a Buddhist btw.
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I have a friend who can fly and is invisible. No really. He's a Spaghetti Monster btw
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
#7896726 - 01/18/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I fly too, it's not that uncommon
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EternalCowabunga said: Many talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
Yes, realization is the easy part. It is the actualization that is the challenge. My teacher always says that Zen is "sudden realization, followed by gradual practice".
Knowledge alone will not suffice. In the words of Dogen Zenji, "Painted cakes do not satisfy hunger".
I find pot and LSD excellent for catalyzing a great realization. But again knowledge without application is just a little more than useless.
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EternalCowabunga said: I fly too, it's not that uncommon
Your fly is open.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
#7896752 - 01/18/08 09:55 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Omg .. waht ru lookin at my dick for homo
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It's so small that I can't look away. More evidence of your "new" evolutionary processes.
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
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Well at least your relies are starting to make sense. Is that a sign of your impending spiritual/emotional evolution?
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
#7896830 - 01/18/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: dblaney]
#7896968 - 01/18/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I use mind altering drugs for sensual pleasure, because I have aversive attitudes towards a lot of things in life, and drugs provide an escape or distraction from them.
In Buddhism there are six sense gates from which one may feel sensual pleasure: Sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, and thinking. Psychedelics really stimulate sight, smell, touch, hearing, and thinking for me. They bring me a lot of sensual pleasure, particularly intellectual pleasure. On the other hand marijuana is how I ignore and avoid my problems. I feel my drug use is just one of the 5 hindrances in action.
As to why I use drugs despite my familiarity with the teachings of the Buddha. I am not Buddhist, I am just somewhat well versed on the religion/philosophy. I am interested in it, I would like to adopt it, but at this point in my life I am having a hard time letting go of some things.
I am not motivated by the idea of total liberation at this point, I am motivated by comfort and sensual pleasure. I am still clinging to physical things, but its so hard for me not to. Hopefully one day I will be motivated by the desire to end my own suffering.
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Sensual desire, ill will, sloth, torpor, restlessness, anxiety, doubt.
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All of these sound ok to me, I guess the only thing that can go wrong about them are the quantities in which you use them and the importance that you give them (which are mental constructs that can be adjusted by making use of Will). Why do you wanna rid them? You no longer want to be a human?
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