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Buudhism and marijuana
    #7892393 - 01/17/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

"BUDDHISTS (Tibet, India, and China)From the 5th Century B.C.E. on ritually used Marijuana; initiation rites and mystical experiences were (are) common in many Chinese Buddhist Sects. Some Tibetan Buddhists and lamas (priests) consider Marijuana their most holy plant. Many Buddhist traditions, writings, and beliefs indicate that "Siddhartha" (the Buddha) himself, used and ate nothing but hemp and its seeds for six years prior to announcing (discovering) his truths and becoming the Buddha (Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path)."

http://www.thc-ministry.net/marijuana-religion.html


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: skiihigh]
    #7892557 - 01/17/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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skiihigh said:
"BUDDHISTS (Tibet, India, and China)From the 5th Century B.C.E. on ritually used Marijuana; initiation rites and mystical experiences were (are) common in many Chinese Buddhist Sects. Some Tibetan Buddhists and lamas (priests) consider Marijuana their most holy plant. Many Buddhist traditions, writings, and beliefs indicate that "Siddhartha" (the Buddha) himself, used and ate nothing but hemp and its seeds for six years prior to announcing (discovering) his truths and becoming the Buddha (Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path)."

http://www.thc-ministry.net/marijuana-religion.html




So what?


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7892582 - 01/17/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

So it'd explain why some of the things I think about when high are written in the Dharma.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7892628 - 01/17/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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skiihigh said:
"BUDDHISTS (Tibet, India, and China)From the 5th Century B.C.E. on ritually used Marijuana; initiation rites and mystical experiences were (are) common in many Chinese Buddhist Sects. Some Tibetan Buddhists and lamas (priests) consider Marijuana their most holy plant. Many Buddhist traditions, writings, and beliefs indicate that "Siddhartha" (the Buddha) himself, used and ate nothing but hemp and its seeds for six years prior to announcing (discovering) his truths and becoming the Buddha (Four Noble Truths, the Eightfold Path)."

http://www.thc-ministry.net/marijuana-religion.html




So what?




So what? geez man, what kind of contribution to the conversation was THAT?

I find this very interesting, before this I thought that Buddhists were entirely sober! This puts a lot of things together for me too! thanks for the site man :peace:

This makes me reinforce my old idea with my relationship with pot... see i'm an every day smoker.. except for recently, only because I got oral surgery and I can't smoke! But it's like when you first smoked pot and it was almost like tripping... well I want to keep it like that again! Then it can be more of a traditional thing.. like smoking just every once in a while, take a good bong rip of some beautiful nugs.. and enjoy :grin:


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7892661 - 01/17/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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So it'd explain why some of the things I think about when high are written in the Dharma.




It might.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Love Cap]
    #7892725 - 01/17/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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before this I thought that Buddhists were entirely sober!




It's really not that black and white. Theravada (The Speech of the Elders) and Mahayana (The Greater Vehicle) Buddhists both take a precept that says they will no longer use conciousness altering things. Vajrayana (The Vehicle of the Thunderbolt) is the 3rd turning of the wheel and newest interpretation. Tibetan Buddhism and Tantric practices are under this umbrella and will use "a thorn to remove a thorn" or a poison to counteract a poison. You might find them using marijuana more readily than a Theravada or Mahayana Buddhist. That's not to say that they wouldn't use either, especially Mahayana, because to all Buddhist, the dharma is a raft to be left behind after crossing the river. The teaching is not to grasp, even to the teaching. There is no dogma, and you'll find people following it in the way that is helpful to them at that point in time.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7893228 - 01/17/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

It makes sense, I've just never looked too much into it..


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Love Cap]
    #7893284 - 01/17/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

just found it interesting and thought id share it, see what people had to say


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7893485 - 01/17/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Most Buddhist teachers STRONGLY advise against all mind altering drug use. Drugs cloud and distort the pure cognition that most of us are all capable of experiencing naturally. We do not need mind altering drugs. Though psychedelics can be valuable tools for self exploration, and even lessons of dhamma, they still distort our perception of reality. The goal of Buddhism is to see things as they are, and to be content and peaceful with this understanding of reality. The core teaching is that all things are impermanent, therefore there is nothing worth clinging to. To cling is to live in bondage. To cling to drug use is not skillful.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7893503 - 01/17/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

they still distort our perception of reality.

Speak for yourself. Or... How can anything distort reality within a dream. You could say the same thing about eating spaghetti then as it also changes brain chemistry.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7893586 - 01/17/08 03:51 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I do not think drugs provide "right view," as they would call it in Buddhism. Also, the precepts clearly suggest that people not use intoxicants. I am speaking in terms of Buddhism, and the topic of this question on the relationship between Buddhism and marijuana use.

It is also obvious to me that psychedelics produce deeply mind altering experiences where as the chemistry of simple foods does not stimulate the same sort of brain activity. I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone in here that would compare 500mcg of lsd to a plate of spaghetti. Your argument is kind of weak there. Personal experience says that psychedelic states are different from the brain activity caused by common food. So IMHO psychedelics, such as marijuana, do change our perception of reality, because IME I have found I feel significantly different when I am completely sober, compared to when Im high on pot and/or other psychedelics.

You can look at life as a dream if you want. In someways I feel that way too, but thats not really the topic of this thread. If you want you can start a "life as a dream" thread for everyone to think about.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7893609 - 01/17/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

My point is, that whatever you are experiencing is "reality". It's like saying some things are natural and some are unnatural. That's just not possible IMO.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7893624 - 01/17/08 03:58 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

You can't simply speak from or for Buddhism, because as I shallowly went into earlier, there are many schools and interpretations under the umbrella of Buddhism. You have to be more specific. It's like saying "I speak for all the people of the earth when I say that I dislike mashed potatoes." I happen to enjoy them (especially with brown gravy).

Also, you are correct to say that clinging to drug use is bad. But it is possible to use drugs without clinging, as I said earlier. Tantric practices are ALL about using a thorn to remove a thorn. But, that is why they are considered dangerous and esoteric. Not everyone is capable of using a drug without getting attached to it. But it is possible, and not all Buddhists condemn it or condone it.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7893632 - 01/17/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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It's like saying some things are natural and some are unnatural. That's just not possible IMO.




Agreed. Once my brother pointed this out to me, I relaxed a lot. Pushing the thresholds of consciousness is natural. Experiencing transcendant realities is natural. Maybe not the norm, but natural.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7893711 - 01/17/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

"Most Buddhist teachers," is exactly what I said. That was my attempt to make it clear that I was not speaking for all Buddhist traditions. Most of the traditional (Mahayana, and Theravada) teachings suggest people not use intoxicants, it is the 5th precept.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with drug use. I am speaking from what I have read in the several books I have read on Buddhism and heard from the many Dhamma talks I've listened to. So in the context of the precepts, marijuana use is not skillful.

Personally, I smoke pot and use psychedelics pretty often, and i have no problem with others using them, but I do not think that they are the path to total liberation.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7893944 - 01/17/08 04:58 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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but I do not think that they are the path to total liberation.




Me neither. I've gained a lot from LSD, but I've gained even more from meditation. LSD showed me things, and disintegrated bad things. Meditation is much more subtle. I witness my mind working in more clear and healthy ways, and it surprises me.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: badreligion2good]
    #7893995 - 01/17/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

path to total liberation.


Don't really believe there is one no matter what the religious folk claim. Maybe death is for us humans but who knows.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Icelander]
    #7895584 - 01/17/08 11:39 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

LSD is a different thing. I think that mother earth gave us things like mushrooms, DMT, San Pedro, etc. for a reason.


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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: Love Cap]
    #7895736 - 01/18/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Mushrooms are God's gift to man.

LSD is man's gift to man.

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Re: Buudhism and marijuana [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7896368 - 01/18/08 07:58 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Also, you are correct to say that clinging to drug use is bad. But it is possible to use drugs without clinging, as I said earlier.




What makes such clinging bad? Sounds like a value judgment on clinging to me.

And if one does not cling to anything, then what would be the intention behind taking any sort of mind altering substance? Why would you take a drug?


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