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themycologist
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3 test brf jars were noc'd with different lc's - one pf, one braz and one mex-a. after 50%-75% colonization the jars were birthed to confirm what was actually growing in them. all 3 jars looked white and healthy - no visible contams, etc.
both the pf and braz jars had the same very distinct, slightly sweet, earthy, mushroomy smell. from previous cube experience, this odor is unmistakeable and immidiately confirmed that these jars and their respective lc's are good.
however, the mex-a jar did not have this exact odor. it was NOT extremely foul, to the point where it was obviously contam or bacteria. it smelled slightly malty and just a tad sour in comparison to the other jars. it just didn't have that distinct earthy, mushroomy smell the other jars had. visually, it looked practically identical to the other 2 jars.
should the mexicana smell exactly like the cubes do?
sight and (especially) smell combined have proven to be an accurate way to determine what is actually growing. but this mexicana has left me confused. if i had a microscope, i suppose it would be possible to visually confirm what the white stuff is, but i don't.
another test mex-a jar is still colonizing - if, in time, it starts producing stones it is obviously the right stuff. but i am tired of waiting on this mex-a. all the rye bags that were originally noc'd with spore solution turned to a white mass of mold. it's possible the spore syringe could have been bad, but it doesn't look like it is being offered anymore from the only sponser who supplies it.
sclerotia seemed like a no-brainer, easy way to go, no fruiting, etc, but so far both the atl#7 and mex-a have produced nothing but teasingly, mycelium-like white mold.
still crossing my fingers for this mex-a lc. it's possible it could be good, but looking at and even smelling a test jar still doesn't confirm anything to me.
please help!
-------------------- "oh god...did you eat all this acid...? you better pray to god there's some thorazine in that bag, otherwise you're in bad fucking trouble..." - Raoul Duke *everything written above is hypothetical, a farce, balderdash*
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: donpatch]
#7982883 - 02/05/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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donpatch said: sclerotia do not form in lcs.. they form in grain. you've got some nice contam there.
True/False
There are no visible contams in that lc. The darker areas are thicker mycelium. The lc looks great. Always do 1-2 test jars first before using it on the whole lot
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themycologist
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: tahoe]
#7984047 - 02/05/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tahoe said: There are no visible contams in that lc. The darker areas are thicker mycelium. The lc looks great. Always do 1-2 test jars first before using it on the whole lot

so glad to hear this!
2 test jars were made (see two posts up).
what do you make of that?
am i just being too critical of the odor? just never smelled mex-a myc before...
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too many jars here. You just made me read the whole post. You bought these lc's?? How were they kept from splashing and hitting the lid? Haha, I just read mycopaths site about their lc's
Tip #1 Never buy a lc online. Make them. All bets are off now. There is no way to know if that thing is sterile. I like the way that they are airtight and have negative pressure. That lc is just dying to suck in contams. You spent 40 bucks on lc's and you could of bought a pc for that.
Your lc looks good but does it have some sort of filter? Mycopath says that they do not come with filters but you said that the filters contaminated. So what did you do there? Filters have to stay dry. If they get wet the lc will contam. The filter will keep spores out but when they get wet spores can germinate on the outside and the mycelium can grow through the filter.
Make a grass seed test jar and good luck.
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: tahoe]
#7985933 - 02/06/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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there are 4 lc jars all of which have filters on them. 2 of the filters are clean, no discoloration, etc. the other 2 filters have a small spot of discoloration on them. none of the filters have gotten wet since i have received them. it is possible that they could have gotten wet during shipping, etc - but that was over 2 months ago - if they got contamed then, i think it would have shown up by now. one of the dirty filters has already been removed with a razor blade and the hole taped up.
the mex-a lc has a clean filter.
the brf test jars were made from the 2 lc's with dirty filters and the mex-a lc. as explained above, the test jars made from the 2 lc's with dirty filters (pf and braz) produced clean results. but the mex-a test jar just wasn't 100% convincing.
the cube mycelia is spot on, both visually and by smell. the mex-a mycelia looks great, but didn't have the same odor as the cube myc did. is it supposed to??
mex-a isn't a cubensis right? i was trying to research this, but i couldn't really find much. i would think the myc would be similar, but perhaps the odors are slightly different? i don't wanna be comparing apples to oranges here, or even granny smiths to red delicious...
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the mex a will have mycelium that looks more like a pan. Its finer maybe greyer, whispier.
What type of filter do the lc's have
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: tahoe]
#7985995 - 02/06/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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tahoe said: the mex a will have mycelium that looks more like a pan. Its finer maybe greyer, whispier.
What type of filter do the lc's have
this is exactly how i would visually describe the mex-a myc.
the filters say .45 micro-m ghp acrodisc 13 on them. they look exactly like the whatman filters in agar's signature.
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Tahoe, I actually have a quick question about LC filters. I made one jar of LC with what I had laying around. I punctured a hole in the metal lid, so that there's a very clear bump on the underside from the metal that was displaced. I'm not sure how clear that is, but if you've ever hit a nail through a metal lid, you know what I mean. I put some micropore tape underneath the hole, then on top of the hole and finally a tyvek lid. So the first layer of Tyvek is separated from the second by a half an inch or so. Do I still have to worry about getting the first layer of tape wet or does it only matter if I can see moistness on the Tyvek, aka where non-sterilized air and whatnot can come into contact with the wet filter?
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that set up will probably work. Still try not to get that tape wet even though it woud have to soak through the tyvek get get completely outside.
-------------------- Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: donpatch]
#12402617 - 04/16/10 08:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry, I don't buy that these arent sclerotia. It would be extremely coincedental if my Mex. A LC and no other LC ever produced these marvellous looking things in there! Then again, I forgot if I inoculated with LC or spores the last time with Mex A but if my mini monotub Mex A with WBS and this here LC succeeds without contam I consider that sort of proof wouldn't you?
Edited by Solipsis (04/16/10 08:47 AM)
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: Solipsis]
#12402648 - 04/16/10 08:56 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow!! As I opened this, I was thinking "I wonder if that sort of thing is possible." and low and behold, looks like it is. Amazing!
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Thats potato and karo/organic honey LC by the way. And yeah like I said my money is not on them being peanuts!
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Re: Mex-A LC --- PICS [Re: Solipsis]
#12402684 - 04/16/10 09:08 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd like to see you try and get some lc out of that thing though, looks like it's pretty tenaciously held together, hah.
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Tampanensis.

This be an old thread though..no one who posted still around..
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How old is that LC? Just curious.
I don't really keep them for more than a month before I make a freshie.
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If your talking to me, I cant be sure, the pic is probably 4 or more years old. But going by the date, it was made in September of one year, and the pictures name says February so, Id guess around 5 months old. I had that culture going for a while, just sitting in a closet..I know I used it after like 5 months give er take, it worked out again.
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I was askin OP, but your input is appreciated all the same.
5 Months, that pretty old!
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The OP?
themycologist c21h30o2 inhaler Registered: 02/28/07 Posts: 205 Loc: spiritual enlightenment Last seen: 2 months, 16 days
Sorry, dont think youll get an answer. Maybe you meant solipsis.
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KillaFoRilla
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Oh shit, woops. yea
Edited by KillaFoRilla (04/16/10 10:07 AM)
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