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How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbours)
#7891655 - 01/17/08 02:14 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I got vista. And i got several wi fi connections on my lap top available
Unfortunately there all deemed as "security enabled network" and require some form of password.
Is there any way to go around it and steal it?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7891663 - 01/17/08 02:21 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Netstumbler or a similar program depending on the chipset of your wifi card
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
#7891709 - 01/17/08 02:57 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Ok i downloaded net stumbler but when i run it it says "No wireless adapter found" at the bottom
Im using Dell Wireless 1390 802.11b/g Mini-Card
Any tips? any other programs??
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7891723 - 01/17/08 03:15 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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What is the category name of this software?
Where do i find similar programs???
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7891752 - 01/17/08 03:49 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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there are generic password lists that you can find on the internet. such as if the spot is called linksys or netgear or whatever, their generic passwords are often admin, administrator, or password. try these, if they don't work, buy wifi for yourself, because that is what i had to do. i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: bmiles]
#7891764 - 01/17/08 04:26 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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> i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
Yes, but the original poster wants to steal his neighbors internet, not get his own wireless network up and running.
> Is there any way to go around it and steal it?
How about http://www.scriptkiddies.com or http://www.wannabehacker.com?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7891805 - 01/17/08 05:07 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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its gonna be a bunch of trouble to do, I'd give up now... you haven't told us what the security system they're using is and that makes me thing you don't know and probably won't succeed
and those default passords mentioned won't help you as you won't even remotely connect w/out the wep/wpa or wahtever they use
i'd just talk to the neighbors and offer to split the cost or something- that's what I did- though if your neighbors are jackasses this won't fly
in the end though you can set airodump or whatever and try to capture a shitload of packets (if they're using WEP) though this will take forever, and then attempt a crack.
but if your neighbors check their logs they'll figure it out
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7891903 - 01/17/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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break into their house and steal their network key that is how real hackers roll u know
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7892450 - 01/17/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Advice in gaining illegal access and stealing bandwidth from neighbors? Why on earth isn't this locked?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Asante]
#7892459 - 01/17/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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cuz its a healthy discussion?
what's the difference in this topic and the cultivation section? (besides the cultivation section being a principle aim of this website)
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7893951 - 01/17/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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another way to look at it, is that someone else's wifi signals are actually invading your privacy. Say you don't want them broadcasting signals into your home, and where you sleep! :P
there are quite a few models of routers out there that will allow you to login as admin (usually using default passwords found on google, lol!) and change their entire setup.
A few years ago I would just sign into people's routers, then put a block on their MAC addresses, so only I could use it. 
as for getting passwords, that's a bit different, id suggest starting out with some beginner methods, like a brute force wifi hammer, or at least start out finding all the "hidden" networks using a program like WiFi Hopper.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7894176 - 01/17/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:what's the difference in this topic and the cultivation section? (besides the cultivation section being a principle aim of this website)
It doesnt necessarily victimize anybody like this guy's plan obviously does.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7894426 - 01/17/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Seuss said: > i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
Yes, but the original poster wants to steal his neighbors internet, not get his own wireless network up and running.
> Is there any way to go around it and steal it?
How about http://www.scriptkiddies.com or http://www.wannabehacker.com?
yeah... thats why i told him how to do it, and then i gave him an alternative.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7895273 - 01/17/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: bmiles]
#7896278 - 01/18/08 07:25 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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bmiles said: there are generic password lists that you can find on the internet. such as if the spot is called linksys or netgear or whatever, their generic passwords are often admin, administrator, or password. try these, if they don't work, buy wifi for yourself, because that is what i had to do. i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
If you can't even hop onto the network (without the key) you're never going to be able to log into the router
I didn't used to use keys. I just changed my default password on my linksys and then only allowed certain MAC addresses.
I switched to using a key instead when I finally goy my 802.11g router
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: BrAiN]
#7896465 - 01/18/08 08:30 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I didn't used to use keys. I just changed my default password on my linksys and then only allowed certain MAC addresses.
Very bad idea. The MAC based restrictions on wireless are almost as insecure as no password at all. I can see your MAC address by watching broadcast packets and then spoof the address.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7896495 - 01/18/08 08:38 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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If I had a hardcore hacker living in my building then I'd be worried.... I have a feeling that spoofing a MAC address isn't that easy.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: BrAiN]
#7896524 - 01/18/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7896531 - 01/18/08 08:47 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Interesting... good thing I use keys now. 
When I moved into my new home here I got a lot more wireless networks showing up. I think one was even called "FUCKINGWHORE" at one point. HHAHAHAH.
I should change the name of my network to "THE GUY IN APT B HAS AIDS".
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: BrAiN]
#7898244 - 01/18/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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> good thing I use keys now.
Yeah, I was very surprised when I realized how insecure MAC based security is. Kind of like closing your eyes and hoping for the best.
> I should change the name of my network to "THE GUY IN APT B HAS AIDS".
I always enjoy setting up a wireless honeypot and waiting for the script kiddies to bite. It is amazing how much you can learn about somebody by watching their network traffic.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7898596 - 01/18/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Seuss said: > i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
Yes, but the original poster wants to steal his neighbors internet, not get his own wireless network up and running.
> Is there any way to go around it and steal it?
How about http://www.scriptkiddies.com or http://www.wannabehacker.com?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: BrAiN]
#7899063 - 01/18/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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bmiles said:
If you can't even hop onto the network (without the key) you're never going to be able to log into the router
yeah, thats why it is called a password. you get it wrong, you don't get in the network.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: bmiles]
#7899948 - 01/19/08 12:24 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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Use a wifi jammer to jam their wifi then they will try to fix the problem and when they realize its not a software issue they will reset the router, and in doing remove their own security. thats when you have to strike, you would then need to access their router and set your own password... heh heh until they reset it again....
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
#7899957 - 01/19/08 12:28 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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haha
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Cakes]
#7925283 - 01/24/08 05:26 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Cakes said: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php
Actually WEP cracking is REALLY easy, I do it all the time... But I'm not telling how
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
#7927213 - 01/24/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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pics or it didn't happen
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
#7927432 - 01/24/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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His avatar.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7933754 - 01/26/08 05:10 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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check out www.milw0rm.com
that will have most of the stuff you need.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7937994 - 01/26/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I'm not stealing internet but using my neighbors (consent of course), but can they see what I'm typing (like a keylogger) or do they just see where I've browsed (packets)?
I don't mind them seeing I go to the shroomery, but don't won't anyone to get me username or password.
Edit:: Or anything else for that matter!
Edited by MrMaddHatter (01/26/08 10:49 PM)
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: MrMaddHatter]
#7938975 - 01/27/08 02:43 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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If they use a program like wireshark, they can see any http packets, but I'm pretty sure the shroomery uses ssl for logins.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7969838 - 02/02/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've always wanted to setup a honeypot and study what happened... Course I'm only a wanna be computer geek, wouldn't know how to start (reading a lot!!! lol) But this is an interesting thread guys. Thanks for the mind candy.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#7969864 - 02/02/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > i spent 60$ on a wireless router from fry's and it works great.
Yes, but the original poster wants to steal his neighbors internet, not get his own wireless network up and running.
> Is there any way to go around it and steal it?
How about http://www.scriptkiddies.com or http://www.wannabehacker.com?
Don't forget www.i'mafuckingn00b.com
that site has spyware
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: BrAiN]
#7983348 - 02/05/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: Interesting... good thing I use keys now. 
When I moved into my new home here I got a lot more wireless networks showing up. I think one was even called "FUCKINGWHORE" at one point. HHAHAHAH.
I should change the name of my network to "THE GUY IN APT B HAS AIDS".

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Jalruza]
#7983507 - 02/05/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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WPA2 encryption, MAC address whitelist, 12-digit alphanumeric password with capital and undercase letters... personally I went out of my way to make it hard on any jackass who decided I was a prospective free ride, and anyone who isn't blessed by a fast enough connection to keep theirs open as a charity should do the same (though the charity thing is a kind thing to do... I just wouldn't do it myself).
It's a pretty jackass thing to do to break into someone's secure network. Get a high-gain directional antenna and find an unsecured network, at least there's a chance they may have left theirs open intentionally (there are at least 2 picked up by my wireless-n adaptor that I can connect to, and this is in low-density suburbia. I've used them when my own connection was FUBAR'd by ISP issues)
And for some nerd credit: the router is named DeepBlue.  (up yours, Kasparov)
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
#7983715 - 02/05/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> MAC address whitelist
Be careful trusting this one. It is about as secure as a screen door. Keeps the bugs out, but little more than a false sense of security with burglars. (Once the key is broken, it is trivial to find and spoof a whitelisted MAC address.)
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7983749 - 02/05/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea, MAC address filtering is useless if someone knows what they are doing (arp cache poisoning is a favorite past-time among script kiddies). It is not a bad idea though, especially in combination with wpa2, I just wouldn't rely on it completely.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7984055 - 02/05/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > MAC address whitelist
Be careful trusting this one. It is about as secure as a screen door. Keeps the bugs out, but little more than a false sense of security with burglars. (Once the key is broken, it is trivial to find and spoof a whitelisted MAC address.)
Well yeah, I know that's not very secure. But hey, it's easy to set up and it's just another step to be another little pain to whoever wants to break in, past the encryption. I figure the more effort is involved in breaking into this network, the more likely someone would be to just go for the less secure neighbors. Hell, two of them -are- unsecured near me after all.
It's like the old joke with two guys being chased by a bear. You don't have to run faster than the bear, you just have to run faster than the other guy.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
#7984487 - 02/05/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, I don't have any MAC address rules, but I have WPA2 on it, which is pretty nice. Under "Available Networks" mine looks way more badass with AES than my 2 WEP neighbors
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Boom]
#7992015 - 02/07/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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if the network is using WEP, you can get in one of two ways. if you have the right wireless hardware (certain chipsets) you can do packet injection which is the faster way to get the key, if you cannot do packet injection, you have to just sniff what packets you can find. even with packet injection, the process takes days. if they are using wpa, you'll be lucky if you can ever break it wirelessly.
I think the idea of jamming their signal somehow is a good one if there is a simple way to do it, that is something that's more along the lines of social engineering, and doesnt require as much technical expertise (which you seem to lack, no offense).
but really, in good faith, you might just explain to your neighbor that you can't afford internet or something, and see if you might be able to work out a way to have access to theirs. who knows, maybe they dont mind sharing
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: dudemanstan]
#7992331 - 02/07/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah, go for the sharing.
its better morally too, and you don't have to worry about being charged w/ a crime
if your neighbors are cocks they'll probably think your trying to download child porn or some shit, but mine were cool enough to let me split the bill. Its not like he doesn't know where I live if I start sending nastygrams to the whitehouse or somethin.
If you get a directional antanae/ adapter combo (about 80$ on ebay) you can get a great signal from sevral houses down or through houses/ apts, and can simply get USB repeaters to the USB wireless adapter to get proper placement without worrying about signal decay in antanae wire.
so, try whomever you can to let you share. maybe some broke asses will be keen to split the bill
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7992683 - 02/07/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The problem with leaving your access point open, however, is that not only do you have others using your bandwidth when you might want it, but if someone is committing crimes on the internet and using your connection, you will be the one investigated.
Just ask people whose wifi was used by people purchasing with stolen credit cards, or by pirates, child porn fetishists, etc.
Yes, the likelihood is pretty low, but it's nonetheless an added vector of risk in your life.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
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yea i had my AP open for a while, then i thought about it, and closed it. i dont want anyone coming to my house investigating child pr0n trading.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: beatyou]
#7992795 - 02/07/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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ehh, I guess, but my view is fuck them
I realize the trouble it would cause, but I think I'd still leave my network open unless I caught serious abuse. You can still check your logs every once in a while, or set up a filtering service for the neighbors, to make sure they're not looking at dirty pictures.
Certainly your not obligated to, but I think its a little altruistic, and I'd certainly have a chat w/ anyone who appears to be abusing the offering (i.e. changing router settings if you never changed your default login, other mischief)
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7992813 - 02/07/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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also, when i did have my wireless ap open, and was working as a network admin during the time, i setup rules on my router so that any unauthorized person on my ap had every image on the web flipped upside down. http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html too much time yes
I also setup a public proxy to do the same thing, so i could fuck with people in the office. set their browser to use the proxy and watch them get very frustrated because everything is upside down.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
#7994729 - 02/08/08 02:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The problem with leaving your access point open, however, is that not only do you have others using your bandwidth when you might want it, but if someone is committing crimes on the internet and using your connection, you will be the one investigated.
On the flip side, it provides a decent defense as well... If I let anonymous people borrow my car for free, and somebody uses it as a getaway car in a bank robbery without my knowledge, should I be held as a bank robber? If I have an open access point, and somebody anonymously uses it for something illegal without my knowledge, am I guilty of their crime?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7994974 - 02/08/08 06:03 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent. If you have reason to believe someone might be using your property for illegal purposes, that could satisfy the requirement. I doubt if it's ever been applied to wireless, but it could.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
#7996088 - 02/08/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I got in trouble for piracy downloading or something, opening my access point would be one of my first moves...
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
#7996325 - 02/08/08 01:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.
I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7996687 - 02/08/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.
I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?
There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.
Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.
Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7996835 - 02/08/08 03:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow... just re-read my post. Holy lack of proof-reading, Batmat! Grammar-r-us.
> There's no negligence.
That is what I thought.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
#7997456 - 02/08/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7998162 - 02/08/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Seuss said: > You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.
I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?
There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.
Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.
Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.
Now, I believe that the duty is inherent in ownership, especially when you are "lending" your property to others. The ISP passes on liability within the contract I am sure.
If the act of an open wireless isn't negligence, I would say that reason lies closer to the lack of proximate cause, since the link between lending property and abuse of that property is so removed.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#7999210 - 02/09/08 06:16 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Seuss said: > You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.
I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?
There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.
Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.
Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.
that defense may have a logical sense to it but you'd still spend $20,000 in legal fees by the time the RIAA/MPAA stopped having their lawyers try to spread your legs and lube your arsehole.
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
#7999674 - 02/09/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
#8000185 - 02/09/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ferris said: Now, I believe that the duty is inherent in ownership, especially when you are "lending" your property to others. The ISP passes on liability within the contract I am sure.
If the act of an open wireless isn't negligence, I would say that reason lies closer to the lack of proximate cause, since the link between lending property and abuse of that property is so removed.
Well that's another element of negligence that would be hard to prove, that your provision of the network didn't cause someone to do the wrong, as they could just have easily gone to the library. Its not like you left a rocket launcher laying around on the lawn, networks are plentiful and not associated w/ direct and forseeable harm.
But I probably mispoke as you say. You probably do have a duty, but it is to the network provider you contracted with, i.e. to honor the contract in good faith.
You don't have a duty to the wronged party (i.e. the president if someone threatens him w/ your network; the accused if he downloads porn; the government if they are hurt by a hacker).
But your proximate cause argument is another good one. Just cuz someone uses your property to commit a crime, doesn't make that provision of property a cause of the wrong.... The cause was the unforseeable (by an ordinary person in your position) desire of the interloper (someone using your network w/out permission to commit offenses).
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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
#8005181 - 02/10/08 03:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well first know there is a couple of different security mechanisms with WIFI. To better understand how to make yourself secure when using WIFI you got to be able to hack into your own system to make it stronger.
I will cover two main types:
WEP + WPA PSK (WPA PSK is also easy, unless you have a good password)
WEP:
Firstly, I didn't even bother until I got myself a wifi card which supported something called 'injection'. Google it. You will probably need to buy yourself a card which supports this under Linux. Linux is an operating system like Microsoft Windows..which brings me on to my next point...
Download 'backtrack 3' - google it. It's a linux operating system which runs directly from disc when you boot the computer up. This operating system wont leave a trace on a hard disk.. infact you don't even need one to use it. It relies on RAM. The more you have, the better it runs.
Noww I could spoon feed you more, but I won't. If you get wheat I've just mentioned, you're already half way there to being able to crack WEP in a couple of minutes and WPA/WPA2 PSK in fractions of a second (depending on a good 'precomputed hash dictionary' google it) Imagine being able to run 70,000 + password guesses a second against WPA/WPA2? If you have a good password list and someones password is in your list... game over.
Video Resources :
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=9063
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=7872
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=8230
http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=8041
Those vids pretty much show how WEP and WPA 1+2 are easily cracked.
Remember, this info should only be used to better protect yourselves.
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