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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: dudemanstan]
    #7992331 - 02/07/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, go for the sharing.


its better morally too, and you don't have to worry about being charged w/ a crime


if your neighbors are cocks they'll probably think your trying to download child porn or some shit, but mine were cool enough to let me split the bill. Its not like he doesn't know where I live if I start sending nastygrams to the whitehouse or somethin.

If you get a directional antanae/ adapter combo (about 80$ on ebay) you can get a great signal from sevral houses down or through houses/ apts, and can simply get USB repeaters to the USB wireless adapter to get proper placement without worrying about signal decay in antanae wire.


so, try whomever you can to let you share. maybe some broke asses will be keen to split the bill

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #7992683 - 02/07/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The problem with leaving your access point open, however, is that not only do you have others using your bandwidth when you might want it, but if someone is committing crimes on the internet and using your connection, you will be the one investigated.

Just ask people whose wifi was used by people purchasing with stolen credit cards, or by pirates, child porn fetishists, etc.

Yes, the likelihood is pretty low, but it's nonetheless an added vector of risk in your life.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
    #7992756 - 02/07/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yea i had my AP open for a while, then i thought about it, and closed it. i dont want anyone coming to my house investigating child pr0n trading.

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: beatyou]
    #7992795 - 02/07/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ehh, I guess, but my view is fuck them


I realize the trouble it would cause, but I think I'd still leave my network open unless I caught serious abuse. You can still check your logs every once in a while, or set up a filtering service for the neighbors, to make sure they're not looking at dirty pictures.

Certainly your not obligated to, but I think its a little altruistic, and I'd certainly have a chat w/ anyone who appears to be abusing the offering (i.e. changing router settings if you never changed your default login, other mischief)

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #7992813 - 02/07/08 05:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

also, when i did have my wireless ap open, and was working as a network admin during the time, i setup rules on my router so that any unauthorized person on my ap had every image on the web flipped upside down. http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html too much time yes

I also setup a public proxy to do the same thing, so i could fuck with people in the office. set their browser to use the proxy and watch them get very frustrated because everything is upside down.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
    #7994729 - 02/08/08 02:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The problem with leaving your access point open, however, is that not only do you have others using your bandwidth when you might want it, but if someone is committing crimes on the internet and using your connection, you will be the one investigated.




On the flip side, it provides a decent defense as well... If I let anonymous people borrow my car for free, and somebody uses it as a getaway car in a bank robbery without my knowledge, should I be held as a bank robber? If I have an open access point, and somebody anonymously uses it for something illegal without my knowledge, am I guilty of their crime?


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
    #7994974 - 02/08/08 06:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent. If you have reason to believe someone might be using your property for illegal purposes, that could satisfy the requirement. I doubt if it's ever been applied to wireless, but it could.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
    #7996088 - 02/08/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If I got in trouble for piracy downloading or something, opening my access point would be one of my first moves...

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
    #7996325 - 02/08/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.

I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
    #7996687 - 02/08/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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> You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.

I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?





There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.

Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.

Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #7996835 - 02/08/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow... just re-read my post. Holy lack of proof-reading, Batmat! Grammar-r-us.

> There's no negligence.

That is what I thought.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Seuss]
    #7997456 - 02/08/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

Fer cereal.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #7998162 - 02/08/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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> You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.

I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?





There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.

Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.

Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.




Now, I believe that the duty is inherent in ownership, especially when you are "lending" your property to others. The ISP passes on liability within the contract I am sure.

If the act of an open wireless isn't negligence, I would say that reason lies closer to the lack of proximate cause, since the link between lending property and abuse of that property is so removed.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #7999210 - 02/09/08 06:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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johnm214 said:
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> You probably do hold some limited liability if you can be proven negligent.

I think they would have a hard time proven somebody negligent for being nice and leaving their access point open. If I am negligent for doing that, then my ISP is negligent for letting the person that was using my AP to download copyrighted works. If I leave my AP open, in a sense, I become an ISP for everybody that is using it. Why would I be held to a higher standard than an ISP when it comes to policing traffic?





There's no negligence. For negligence, you need to have a duty to someone that was breached. TO whom do you owe a duty to w/ your open router? No one, hence no liability.

Now if you had cause to know someone was likely to use your router to commit wrongs, yeah, you might be negligent if you didn't act in a prudent manner.

Additionally, for copyright shit, you might even fit in the DMCA safe harbor provisions, lol. Would be a fun argument. In essence, you are the service provider, and so your not liable for copyright infringment untill someone notices you about it and you don't remedy the situation.




that defense may have a logical sense to it but you'd still spend $20,000 in legal fees by the time the RIAA/MPAA stopped having their lawyers try to spread your legs and lube your arsehole.


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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Konnrade]
    #7999674 - 02/09/08 10:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: Ferris]
    #8000185 - 02/09/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Now, I believe that the duty is inherent in ownership, especially when you are "lending" your property to others. The ISP passes on liability within the contract I am sure.

If the act of an open wireless isn't negligence, I would say that reason lies closer to the lack of proximate cause, since the link between lending property and abuse of that property is so removed.




Well that's another element of negligence that would be hard to prove, that your provision of the network didn't cause someone to do the wrong, as they could just have easily gone to the library. Its not like you left a rocket launcher laying around on the lawn, networks are plentiful and not associated w/ direct and forseeable harm.


But I probably mispoke as you say. You probably do have a duty, but it is to the network provider you contracted with, i.e. to honor the contract in good faith.

You don't have a duty to the wronged party (i.e. the president if someone threatens him w/ your network; the accused if he downloads porn; the government if they are hurt by a hacker).

But your proximate cause argument is another good one. Just cuz someone uses your property to commit a crime, doesn't make that provision of property a cause of the wrong.... The cause was the unforseeable (by an ordinary person in your position) desire of the interloper (someone using your network w/out permission to commit offenses).

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Re: How can i penetrate password protected Wi Fi network? (ie how can i steal interent from neighbou [Re: johnm214]
    #8005181 - 02/10/08 03:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well first know there is a couple of different security mechanisms with WIFI. To better understand how to make yourself secure when using WIFI you got to be able to hack into your own system to make it stronger.

I will cover two main types:

WEP + WPA PSK (WPA PSK is also easy, unless you have a good password)

WEP:

Firstly, I didn't even bother until I got myself a wifi card which supported something called 'injection'. Google it. You will probably need to buy yourself a card which supports this under Linux. Linux is an operating system like Microsoft Windows..which brings me on to my next point...

Download 'backtrack 3' - google it. It's a linux operating system which runs directly from disc when you boot the computer up. This operating system wont leave a trace on a hard disk.. infact you don't even need one to use it. It relies on RAM. The more you have, the better it runs.

Noww I could spoon feed you more, but I won't. If you get wheat I've just mentioned, you're already half way there to being able to crack WEP in a couple of minutes and WPA/WPA2 PSK in fractions of a second (depending on a good 'precomputed hash dictionary' google it) Imagine being able to run 70,000 + password guesses a second against WPA/WPA2?
If you have a good password list and someones password is in your list... game over.

Video Resources :

http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=9063

http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=7872

http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=8230

http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=8041


Those vids pretty much show how WEP and WPA 1+2 are easily cracked.

Remember, this info should only be used to better protect yourselves.

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