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Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No
#7891201 - 01/16/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I was going to post this in PhanTomCat's thread, but it's different enough I think for its own thread:
Would you perform a Mercy Killing for a loved one who asked you to?
In this scenario the following is true:
-the person is suffering a painful, incurable illness -the person is paralyzed and unable to end their own life -it is assured that you will not get in trouble with the law
Would you help your loved one move on or would you refuse the request for help?
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Diploid]
#7891220 - 01/17/08 12:00 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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i would cry like a bitch is what i'd do.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Diploid]
#7891239 - 01/17/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I would perform a mercy killing even if they didn't ask me to. Perhaps even before they are terminally ill; sort of a pre-emptive strike to prevent suffering.
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I'd GLADLY have someone ELSE perform the mercy killing. But I couldn't do it myself. I don't have a doctorate. But once I do... by God... once I do... Muahahahaha...hahahaha...hahaha...HAHAHA...HAHAHA... etc.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Rose]
#7891580 - 01/17/08 01:28 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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A good friend of mine is a retired doctor (internist) and a very compassionate person. (Atheist, of course!) When a terminally ill patient came to him in great pain, he would often prescribe some common drug (painkiller?) that was deadly in a high dose. He would tell them not to take any until the pain got too bad, then take a huge dose all at once when they were ready to depart.
Most of these people were highly grateful for his understanding and for the risk he was taking,
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: A good friend of mine is a retired doctor (internist) and a very compassionate person. (Atheist, of course!) When a terminally ill patient came to him in great pain, he would often prescribe some common drug (painkiller?) that was deadly in a high dose. He would tell them not to take any until the pain got too bad, then take a huge dose all at once when they were ready to depart.
Most of these people were highly grateful for his understanding and for the risk he was taking,
Might I ask what painkiller this was? Just out of curiousity.
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I have no idea. Not even sure if it was a painkiller. The specifics were not germaine to the story as far as I was concerned.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Diploid]
#7891715 - 01/17/08 03:01 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I have been in this scenario with my dying mother, who died because of a pile-up of medical mistakes.
Her dying was facilitated by passive euthanasia which I had to authorize. I authorized it under the strict condition that a syringe with 500mg morphine was to be put in the room, so that if they botched the passive euthanasia too and were bound by legal paralysis, I myself could actively end my mothers life by injecting this lethal dose into the carotid artery of her neck, and afterwards face the legal consequences of it myself.
Fortunately this was unneeded and she passed away quietly. What I did do was perform occasional tests to see whether her terminal sedation was in fact effective in blocking out consciousness, and inform the nurse to up the dosage when the anaesthesia was wearing thin. I helped her manage her medications in life and I oversaw and safeguarded her passage into death to be free of suffering.
These kinds of decisions and experiences create wounds that will never heal. If you truly love someone with all your heart you are willing to administer a merciful death to end their senseless anguish, no matter if that will fuck you up psychologically and legally.
True love goes beyond the border of life and death.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Asante]
#7891730 - 01/17/08 03:30 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: I have been in this scenario with my dying mother, who died because of a pile-up of medical mistakes.
Her dying was facilitated by passive euthanasia which I had to authorize. I authorized it under the strict condition that a syringe with 500mg morphine was to be put in the room, so that if they botched the passive euthanasia too and were bound by legal paralysis, I myself could actively end my mothers life by injecting this lethal dose into the carotid artery of her neck, and afterwards face the legal consequences of it myself.
Fortunately this was unneeded and she passed away quietly. What I did do was perform occasional tests to see whether her terminal sedation was in fact effective in blocking out consciousness, and inform the nurse to up the dosage when the anaesthesia was wearing thin. I helped her manage her medications in life and I oversaw and safeguarded her passage into death to be free of suffering.
These kinds of decisions and experiences create wounds that will never heal. If you truly love someone with all your heart you are willing to administer a merciful death to end their senseless anguish, no matter if that will fuck you up psychologically and legally.
True love goes beyond the border of life and death.
damn man..putting my mom to death would be an extremely hard thing for me to do. But, if she OK'ed it I would do it out my extreme love for her(assuming there was no way she was coming back)
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OrgoneConclusion said: I would perform a mercy killing even if they didn't ask me to. Perhaps even before they are terminally ill; sort of a pre-emptive strike to prevent suffering.
I vote for you for president. I would like to be your chief adviser.
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Edited by Icelander (01/17/08 09:44 AM)
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Icelander]
#7892608 - 01/17/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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My love and I have had this conversation... but yeah, I'd rather see him in peace than suffering! Or any loved one for that matter!
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Diploid]
#7892651 - 01/17/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I voted yes.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Diploid]
#7893122 - 01/17/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yes, absolutely. My partner and I have already discussed this, though, and decided that the legal risks would be too great (unlike your proposed risk-free scenario). However, as my state does have an Assisted Suicide law, I would arrange for the legal mercy killing of a loved one. I would also help a loved one to commit suicide by providing them with supplies.
I don't think that anyone should have to continue to be alive when they wish to be dead.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Veritas]
#7893159 - 01/17/08 01:50 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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My last girlfriend drank too much on her birthday party and had such a hangover she wished she were dead.
R.I.P. Allison.
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Especially when she realized she was still your girlfriend.
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I think I could do it. But I'm not sure. Just two days ago I had to put my cat down. She was 16 and had gotten so bad she couldn't walk.
Most of my friends think I'm fairly strong/tough. Probably would have been shocked to see me as the blubbering idiot I was when I held her in my arms as she went to sleep. I had strangers giving me hugs I was so pathetic.
She stayed with me thru two LTR and 5 moves. I'll miss her. 
Wiccan Seeker, that would be a tough thing to go thru. I feel for you. I lost my mom to cancer and if I could have ended her suffering sooner I don't know if I could have. I was pretty young at the time tho. Just 23.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: mushbaby]
#7893570 - 01/17/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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if I could have ended her suffering sooner I don't know if I could have.
Unconditional love does not come easy if ever for most humans.
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Re: Would You Or Won't You: Yes or No [Re: Icelander]
#7893577 - 01/17/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Especially when she realized she was still your girlfriend.
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I was faced with a similar decision when my grandmother was hospitalized and intubated because of pneumonia. Eventually the pneumonia caused renal failure and they gave us two choices: hook her up to a dialysis machine and prolong her suffering so she POSSIBLY could live another 6 months or so in discomfort, or have her breathing tube removed and have her heavily drugged, effectively watching her suffocate to death. We pulled the tube. That was 7 months ago, I'm still suffering from that decision.
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attachment causes suffering
If you can be at peace with the past right or wrong. It's gone forever and to keep it alive with worry or guilt or grief is insane.
I would have made the same choice as you in a second.
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