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handicappedrat
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: deadatdusk]
#7897072 - 01/18/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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If he was tripping his first time on 3.5g's, I can sympathize for him and easily forgive him. It all makes sense when you said that.
I've tripped harder on 2gs of the right shrooms than some acid I've taken, sometimes being as potent as 3 hits. I don't know how strong your shrooms were but 3.5 is alot.
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J.T
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Blindfysh]
#7900340 - 01/19/08 03:11 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Blindfysh said: I don't think you can shun someone who has had a lifetime of being mild in temperament for one nights violence especially if your gonna tinker with the ol' grey cells.
The nature of the drug is to change ones perception of reality, I was happy to shroom for ten years until one day I took masses and masses of liberty cap that I had procured earlier in the day, I got into one of those mind cycles where I would look down, not remember if I had had any, take some, remember I had, panic, look down, not remember if I had taken any.... and so on for ages I pretty much took an entire carrier bag.
The experience was terrifying and thank F@ck I was on my own because the walls started bleeding, there were people talking to me and wondering around the room, everything stank of evil, best friends appeared to me the as the devil in carnet, memories of my past were altered to seem twisted and vile, traits that I pride my self on like being mild mannered, patient and gentle all twisted to seem like weakness and cowardliness. I hate to think what would have happened if someone had been with me whilst I was that confused and scared.
I don't know how much I was conscious for but I woke the next morning and I had trashed my room, ripped up clothes, written garbled messages about losing my soul, smashed my fish tank, kicked through my door, It really shook me up and I thought that there was the possibility of underlying psychosis for sometime and obviously lay off the brain candy for a long time.
That was one time though, in a decade of tripping with no problems. Everybody has a flight or flight instinct and the capacity for violence, its a human condition if you kid yourself you don't you will be more unprepared for if it comes out through mind meddling.
All drugs bring out a different side of you... How many people do you know who become self obsessed and erratic from coke? Boring and paranoid from smoking, confrontational from drinking? Mushrooms are even more unpredictable because they go deeper into your mindset.
Don't get me wrong I'm pro self-exploration and mind-expansion but those words get banded around mostly with positive experiences If you all learned something from the evening then thats the name of the game, somewhere inside him your boy has that trait as does everyone else but we choose not to action it.
Ok. thats a bit of a mixed message but I know what I'm on about!
Holy shit. That's all I have to say to that. Just reading that gave me insane chills.. Brrr. Finally someone that has a decent recognition of what psychedelics can do to you. Most people on here can't seem to comprehend that nothing is text book with psychs. People do flip out and not know what they are doing, not because "The drugs gave them an excuse to act in such a way" or such-like ulterior-motives. If you can't understand that then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DABBLING WITH THESE THINGS?
Word to what what written above this, take heed people, and FFS [to who edulged with 18 trips], 18 fucking trips on your 18th as a 'Rite of passage' ??? You nob.
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: deadatdusk]
#7900576 - 01/19/08 05:54 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I had a violent bad trip once. And for about a month I was actually dumb enough to believe that "there was nothing I could have done about it, it was the mushrooms". Then after that, I shifted the blame over to "the monster inside me".
Fuck that shit. I feel like a fucking retard even bringing that up now. EVERYONE is responsible for their own actions. Even if you get super pissed & snap when you're not tripping, there's no excuse for it. I watched an episode of Dexter where his british g.f. said it best: (butchered quote): People go around blaming "the monster inside them" or just saying "it's cause I'm pathetic, a piece of shit". Blaming something inside you & just leaving it at that instead of just admitting that you're wrong & trying to better yourself is pathetic.
Anyways, certain phases of the mushroom trip do inspire me to want to "unleash" on someone. Sometimes I can't resist hitting the heavy bag with the hardest fastest haymakers possible. There is always a strange phase of the trip right after the peak where I feel invincible & like I could take on Kike Tyson in his prime. hahahaha
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: J.T]
#7900610 - 01/19/08 06:42 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Holy shit. That's all I have to say to that. Just reading that gave me insane chills.. Brrr. Finally someone that has a decent recognition of what psychedelics can do to you. Most people on here can't seem to comprehend that nothing is text book with psychs. People do flip out and not know what they are doing, not because "The drugs gave them an excuse to act in such a way" or such-like ulterior-motives. If you can't understand that then WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU DABBLING WITH THESE THINGS?
Word to what what written above this, take heed people, and FFS [to who edulged with 18 trips], 18 fucking trips on your 18th as a 'Rite of passage' ??? You nob.
18 trips? It was 18 hits... douche bag.
Your attitude is totally self-contradictory.
How the hell are you, not knowing the guy who freaked out, going to assume that it WASN'T a conscious (or even subconscious) choice to just let go because he was in nature and on a shitload of drugs? He's not the kind of guy that really takes entheogens to reach spiritual stages - even though he says he is, he really just wants to get fucked up. I know this was the way it was, anyway, because I just know the guy (once you've stared into someone's soul, it's safe to say you've known them) I don't agree with just getting fucked up - I think that's why he freaked out so much. He wasn't ready for that kind of dosage. I go into every trip having meditated and prepared myself for what may come.
You don't know what my perception of entheogens is, and what I do think means fucking NOTHING to you, so why don't you just keep your biased opinions to yourself mk?
It wasn't me who freaked out - I was fine the entire time, oh except for the fact that my friend went into primal mode.
Do you have any idea how many cultures have utilized entheogens as a rite of passage into adulthood dude???
Sorry, but you seem very misinformed.
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: manyc]
#7901526 - 01/19/08 12:43 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Excellent thread. Never considered the possibility of stuff like this happening. Personally I would prefer to stick to the 2g- range with a potentiator for more (intense) experiences instead of doing 2g+ of shroomz. I have a feeling this route would reduce any chance of tending towards violence (just a feeling).
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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: blackegg]
#7901922 - 01/19/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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For some reason a lot of people are into fighting. Fighting technique; martial arts, bruce lee. I mean the stuff is fairly neat, I'm a fan. But under mushrooms I'd never imagine such a rage....unless of course you had too. Luckily I got to try it out, with my cousin, (Who I haven't seen since child hood years.)
He's a very compulsive individual. It can be a bit weird at times, but mostly he's just being himself....energetic, over the top outgoing, speaking his 1st thoughts on his brain that turn out for the most part as paranoia.
I didn't fully know it at the time...it was a weird trip..but oh so beautiful at the same time. It was a 2.5er each..after a few brew and some joints in the beautiful early Saturday afternoon. Unfortunately I just went through a bad car wreck, (motor replacement, transmission rebuild.) Ended up paying the same 5 grand price I paid for my very first car (I'm 20), right the fuck over again. It was a terrible feeling, because I worked hard like a grunt in the factory for a year and a half, and it was something I really did not want to get into. I'm not ready for post secondary yet, because I wanted to go in there with money and a car.
Anyways I knew I had to get over it and it was such a beautiful day out in the forest, drinking beer, smoking weed, talking about my very first Acid trip I had two weeks before...(a week before the car damage).
I never felt so energetic on that trip. maybe it was because he was. We both road on our bikes through the trail, went into the mall, road down a busy street to a big park, in which we had a play fight that was pretty violent I'd say. He was coming on strong, haha. It ended pretty fucking heavy because I ended up ripping his shirt. If I didn't I would of lost my footing and landed, probably face first, on to the stone rocked surface. It felt great because it just sort of happened while we were sitting there talking about Wolfs and a bunch of other crazy shit.
He was fairly pissed. I enjoyed it big time..., the whole experience made me turn into some old warrior that took mushrooms for battle.
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Oh and to answer why people flip out on mushrooms. I truly believe it's just a bad case sceneiro from the start. From the moment you took them to the moment something went wrong while you peaked. Confusion, where you are, what's been going on.
That's why there is always a time and place, and amount, for everything.
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all i know is, if you got a monster inside of you, im gonna try and kill it.
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I think all humans have a monster inside them. Some are just more in tune, and submissive to it, than others
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I personally think this is something your just gonna have to deide on yourself.
I mean how much do you like the guy, is it worth the friendship to forgive him kinda thing.
He should have been apologizing profusely from the moment he became sober. If he didn't then I would say fuck him. If his first thought after he regained control (and remembered what he had done as you've said he did) wasn't about the safety of his friends and he didn't have an uncontrollable urge to apologize, then he is probably just a shitty dude even if he seemed cool till now, you probably have never been in this kinda situation with him before.
That's what would get me is the lack of apologizing. I mean the way he acted would make me look at him differently, but the not immediately wanting to set things right is even more revealing if you ask me. If he isn't begging for anyone's forgiveness then he doesn't deserve it.
As far as my input on psychedelic psychosis, I think it would be stupid to not look at it from a case to case basis simply because of all the factors involved in tripping and mental states.
Losing control is something I tend to have little respect for, and I have done it, of course I was drunk (I drank most of a bottle of Goldschlager in like a half an hour cause I'm a douche). But even then I didn't get violent towards other people just myself and the only thing that stopped me was the overwhelming guilt I felt when my friend stuck his hand between my head and the tool cabinet I was beating it against. I had issue's, it wasn't the alcohol it was me, I just could no longer suppress them because I lost my inhibition.
My point is that the drugs don't make you do the things you do. They just keep you from not doing them. I would say he has repressed aggression that he needs to recognize and deal with and probably some other problems.
Mushrooms helped me realize that I had some issues I needed to confront the first time I did them, but I never lost control I just had time to think about the things I was doing (off mushrooms) and realized most of it was pretty unhealthy and weirding out my friends.
Again my point is that if this guy does regain your trust and you forgive him then maybe a low dose (no more than half of what you did) would be a good way to get him to get help. I am not saying to go do mushroom therapy with him, but maybe a low dose would get him to see what he had done the first trip in a way that would convince him he needs regular therapy.
But yeah like I said I tend to have no respect for people who lose control (really lose control), it has to do with mental constitution and willingness to maintain control. I have taken pretty larger doses (not huge) and even when I was on acid and literally everything around me disappeared I was still in control. I was in a bad place I made rational decisions about how to get myself out (decisions that actually I may not have been able to make sober because they obviously dealt with being vulnerable) and I made them and actually my relationships with one of my friends is much stronger because of it. Yeah there was confusion but if you trip you need to be able to recognize confusion and panic so that you don't start to make decisions based on it.
I feel that is a skill that not many people who trip have and it is an important one. Remaining at all times self-conscious (or at least when you need to decide things and act). Losing yourself has many benefits but the ability to poise yourself for rational thinking and decision making from that state, is a skill that I feel is necessary and ignored by a lot of people.
Edited by JstHereFrTheCake (01/19/08 05:54 PM)
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