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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7892024 - 01/17/08 07:57 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I imagine it's like having one of those dreams where you're naked in public, only this time.. you wake up from that dream, and, it ain't no dream.

I can't imagine the humiliation. But I think people tend to put walls up in their minds around such memories, like I said earlier.

Repressing it even further, when obviously the repression of feelings is probably what caused the psychotic break (induced of course by the drugs) in the first place.

It's a vicious cycle that needs prompt intervention to remedy.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: deadatdusk]
    #7892285 - 01/17/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

If he made the decision to take the drugs, he should be responsible for his actions. I doubt anyone in your group put a gun to his head and forced him to eat the shrooms.

At the absolute least, he needs to apologize. Also, don't trip with him again. If he reeally understood the power of psychedelics, then taking a lesser dose than everyone else wouldn't be offensive. I have a friend who pretty much trips off weed, and we've all agreed to never give him any sort of psychedelic because he would go fucking insane.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7892361 - 01/17/08 10:19 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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I have never tripped aorund people like you guys are talking about, if sumone did this shit around me i would walk away and never ever offer them to chance to trip with me ever again.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Chronic7]
    #7892420 - 01/17/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Chronic7]
    #7892423 - 01/17/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I don't blame you if you were to hold it against him, but I do feel it being his first experience and taking such a high dose (for a first timer) that you should be sympathetic. Regardless if he wanted more or not, he clearly did not know what he was getting himself into having never experienced psychedelics before.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: krypto2000]
    #7893507 - 01/17/08 03:36 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

lol...

Most of manyc's story sounded like a 60's anti-drug propaganda thing.. what with the axe and all.

Not to make fun or anything, but yeah. :tongue:

I honestly believe that these reactions are no fault of the drug, but instead the person's mind. I'm not some sort of oblivious hippy-type preaching about how "LSD can do no wrong!", but the fact remains that it is just a chemical key to what was there all along.

People need to be cautious when unleashing their inner demons.  :shrug:


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: manyc]
    #7893651 - 01/17/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

dude manyc after 18 hits of bomb acid i would probably end up sticking my own head up my ass.lol

seriously how did you take that much, shit

but yes his decision his mind he cant handle it tough titties he needs to apolagize.
and to the poster, this guy never siad sorry to anyone thats fucked up.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7893830 - 01/17/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Stories like the ones posted in this thread is the exact reason i will propbably only trip by myself or with my brother because you just cant know if who ur tripping with can handle their shit.

Although, it is the person who flips own resposibility for their actions, its also ur responsibility to know who ur tripping with and if they might have problems.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Grill Master]
    #7893979 - 01/17/08 05:07 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

This thread was a great read.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Banana03]
    #7894063 - 01/17/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

wow. wack.....

people who think "oh whatever, i can handle my drugs" piss me the fuck off. Partly because they dont hold any respect for the mushrooms themselves, and partly because they doubt the intensity/authenticity of the experience.

Most of the experiences on here seem pretty frightening, for all involved. Especially the one about the guy camping who ate like 5 or 6 grams and got locked in his truck.

Knowing yourself, knowing your substance, and staying calm. Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy anyone? DONT PANIC


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7894103 - 01/17/08 05:47 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I cannot in my wildest imagination think of getting to a state where I acted like that. My hardest trip EVER all I did was just lie on a couch and mutter to myself, I could never imagine getting violent. Psychedelics just don't fucking do that to me. I'm always myself, usually much MORE of myself. I never even consider getting violent with myself. My last bad trip, when I downed 6g's, I was convinced that I would be stuck in the trip forever, and I still remember saying in my head "no matter what, I will never hurt myself or others." Yeah, he has to take responsibility imo, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't empathize with him. People never know how they're gonna react to shrooms.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7894140 - 01/17/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

i once tripped on salvia and had verbal lashouts toward one of my really good friends. after the trip was over and i realized what was going on. the rest of my friends told me about what happened. i chose to apologize on my own. and there was no further problem. the way i see it is that ur friend owes everyone an apology that he got to that state and all friends should accept with no problem. then just move on. live and learn.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: kronik08]
    #7894349 - 01/17/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

my friend punched a cop in the face in his boxers on shrooms
he went completely nuts and thats why a bad friend called the cops on him, it cost him 20K bail and he said he was in dreamland, it happens most ppl cant control themselves on shrooms and unfortunately it is that minority that forces shrooms to become illegal


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: g00ru]
    #7894534 - 01/17/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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guruu said:
I cannot in my wildest imagination think of getting to a state where I acted like that.



I think those people hadn't imagined it either until it happened.

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People never know how they're gonna react to shrooms.



Exactly. None of you can really be sure it won't happen to you some day.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7894918 - 01/17/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

IMO it just shows he is a shitbag deep down. Bad trip or not I would never hit my wife. You are still in control despite losing reality. I would give him some leeway but not too much. I have an explosive temper but even trippin I know what is going on. I think it was him choosing to act like an ass cuz he felt he could blame it on the trip. He wasn't having a good time so he had to ruin everyone elses night too....ya never know though, there is always that freak occourance so you know how he is, if he is a dick sober then you have your answer


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7895809 - 01/18/08 01:12 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

One of my friends got kinda crazy slamming into shit and being kind of wreckless.

I mean we all ate around 5-7g and we all were having an amazing trip but somewhere towards the end he could of really lost it.

what i think this might be from could be that maybe between you and your tripping buddies someone may have said something..and he got paranoid thinking he was getting hella judged. Or maybe a jealousy wouse of somekind.

but the point i think im trying to get to is.....maybe you and your friends made it worse "trying to calm him down". like trying to say what he should think and what he should see..i can see something like that getting out of hand. you know? like sometimes you just gotta shut up if its not happy and gleeful.

anyway...thats one thing i noticed on my last trip of mushrooms with my 3 other friends. To try not to control their issue but simply change the atmosphere...

and i believe i did change their most frightening thoughts.

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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: SalviaShroom]
    #7895913 - 01/18/08 01:54 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

All of you who state bad experience say "Well it happened to a friend like this". I'll go ahead and relate my own, but the person who flipped out was me. I took 2.5-3 grams and as we started to come up it was pleasant enough. I was playing with poi and other trip toys while some other people were looking at posters. I trusted most of the people enough to trip around them and I had my girlfriend there so I was okay. But about halfway through things started to go really downhill.

We were in one guys room and my girlfriend rolled over and stopped moving. She closed her eyes and stopped responding to all stimulus. I called her name, nudged her, picked up her arm, and even shook her. I peeled back her eyelids but no one was home. And in my altered state it was terrifying for me to think that I might lose this person who was so very important to me. What upset me even more is that it seemed like I was the only one who cared that she might not be alive (stupid I know but it seemed real enough at the time). So after a couple incidents involving bodily functions we managed to get her into the tub while I sat on the toilet and kinda blacked in and out.

My mind would throw up memories and images of times with my family and  friends and then my mind would ask "Am I this way around them? Was I tripping at this time? I can't remember. Do my parents know? What would they think?" And it just kept rolling back into itself in one big negative feed back loop. And whenever this would go on long enough or my mind thought it was too much for me I would black out until some stimulus brought be back to the surface (like someone coming into the bathroom or when my girlfriend starting throwing up). At times I found myself biting the large fleshy part of my thumb to keep from clenching my jaw and at one point I woke up to find my teeth resting on top of the tub as if I was going to bite it.

I will say that the thought of punching a hole in the door (or trying and snapping my wrist like the twig that it is :smile:) seriously crossed my mind, or forcing one of the others to see the predicament my girlfriend was in (by physical means if necessary).

It is terrifying...there is no other word. It is the monkey huddled in the tree as something unknown, incomprehensible, and totally outside of your will to control takes the things you know and love. After I realized that my girlfriend was going to be okay I wandered around for a while with both hands shoved down the back of my pants...And that's my trip.

Try not to be so hard on people if they're having a bad trip. But if they lied to you about what they're comfortable with, then you shouldn't be comfortable with them.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: SalviaShroom]
    #7895926 - 01/18/08 02:00 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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anyway...thats one thing i noticed on my last trip of mushrooms with my 3 other friends. To try not to control their issue but simply change the atmosphere...




another good suggestion.


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7896052 - 01/18/08 04:25 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I don't think you can shun someone who has had a lifetime of being mild in temperament for one nights violence especially if your gonna tinker with the ol' grey cells.

The nature of the drug is to change ones perception of reality, I was happy to shroom for ten years until one day I took masses and masses of liberty cap that I had procured earlier in the day, I got into one of those mind cycles where I would look down, not remember if I had had any, take some, remember I had, panic, look down, not remember if I had taken any.... and so on for ages I pretty much took an entire carrier bag.

The experience was terrifying and thank F@ck I was on my own because the walls started bleeding, there were people talking to me and wondering around the room, everything stank of evil, best friends appeared to me the as the devil in carnet, memories of my past were altered to seem twisted and vile, traits that I pride my self on like being mild mannered, patient and gentle all twisted to seem like weakness and cowardliness. I hate to think what would have happened if someone had been with me whilst I was that confused and scared.

I don't know how much I was conscious for but I woke the next morning and I had trashed my room, ripped up clothes, written garbled messages about losing my soul, smashed my fish tank, kicked through my door, It really shook me up and I thought that there was the possibility of underlying psychosis for sometime and obviously lay off the brain candy for a long time.

That was one time though, in a decade of tripping with no problems. Everybody has a flight or flight instinct and the capacity for violence, its a human condition if you kid yourself you don't you will be more unprepared for if it comes out through mind meddling.

All drugs bring out a different side of you... How many people do you know who become self obsessed and erratic from coke? Boring and paranoid from smoking, confrontational from drinking? Mushrooms are even more unpredictable because they go deeper into your mindset.

Don't get me wrong I'm pro self-exploration and mind-expansion but those words get banded around mostly with positive experiences If you all learned something from the evening then thats the name of the game, somewhere inside him your boy has that trait as does everyone else but we choose not to action it.

Ok. thats a bit of a mixed message but I know what I'm on about!


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Re: Violence while tripping [Re: Querjek]
    #7896570 - 01/18/08 09:00 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

If it would've been me losing it...
I would apologize profusely!

This guy should've gotten the shit kicked out of him.

No hard feelings friend...but...you gotta know *yourself* before you trip, it's not my responsibility to babysit or put up with your bullshit violent behavior, and I'd have let this guy know that from the first thrown bottle or punch.

Of course if he's some monster body builder I guess you're just shit out, know your set and setting better. Live and learn.

This is why I trip alone or in small group of *good* long term friends.

Otherwise...

Too many opportunities for interpersonal miscommunication, ego tripping, etc.
and not enough self exploration and 'life progress checking'.


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Edited by blackegg (01/18/08 09:08 AM)


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