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Rose
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I banned Luvdemshrooms once. Because we disagreed. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I did it because I had the power to do it.
I am not proud.
Power corrupted me.
Hard to admit, but it did.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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PhanTomCat
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it stars saddam said: I'm sure you would like to think that, who wouldn't? But keep this in mind: you mentioned "context"; yes, context is importance. I think everyone here underestimates the degree to which a major change in one's environment/circumstances could alter their usual patterns of behavior. Even the meekest, most introverted pacifist can become a cold-blooded killer if pushed far enough and/or when driven by his primal instincts.
I don't disagree - being in war/combat situations is a "good" example.... Psychologically, after being put in those types of situations, it has got to change a person at the very core ....
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it stars saddam said: To further explore the topic at hand, I highly reconmend you watch the film Straw Dogs; it gracefully deals with the exact topic of this particular discussion.
I wrote it down....  The name sounds familiar, but I don't think I have seen it....
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Straw Dogs: http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Straw_Dogs/1006554?trkid=189530
It's in my queue now. Thanks for the suggestion.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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it stars saddam
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7891237 - 01/17/08 12:04 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Awesome. I'm glad you guys aren't just blowing off my comment and are actually intending to view the film. You won't regret it.
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7891284 - 01/17/08 12:14 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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The social psychologist Philip Zimbardo wrote a whole book about this subject, called The Lucifer Effect. His conclusion, to be brief, was that situational factors have an enormously powerful effect upon human behavior.
The impetus for his line of research was an experiment he conducted in the 60's to study the effects of imprisonment. Using college students as his subjects, he created an artificial - but very realistic - prison. A group of students were assigned as guards and another group were assigned as prisoners. Eventually, the "guards" begin to act like real prison guards and less like typical longhaired liberal college students. Once they took on their new identities, their behavior changed radically. The study had to be ended prematurely, because the "guards" began abusing the prisoners.
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MushmanTheManic
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Well shit... somebody already mentioned this...
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it stars saddam
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MushmanTheManic said: The social psychologist Philip Zimbardo wrote a whole book about this subject, called The Lucifer Effect.
I've noticed that recently a lot of sexy, local, intellectual women have been walking around carrying that book under their arms, as if it were some kind of status symbol of intellectual elitism. It works out well for myself; great conversation starter. I can stroll on over and say something like "oh wow, that is a great book; I've read it twice. In fact, I bought it on March 13, 2007, the day it was released. What do you think of it?" Boom. Locked in.
In all seriousness though, that is a damn good book. I like Phillip Zimbardo; he's very charming despite his heinous experiments.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7891768 - 01/17/08 04:36 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Yes....next.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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BlueCoyote
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7891871 - 01/17/08 06:14 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I just propose the positive side of power, which doesn't corrupt: That's if the situation is seen like on a ship, where the captain has the leading power. If he will stand to his men, is a part of them and understands them, then they will freely give their power to him/her and a good symbiosis is created. If the captain won't do this, the crew was free to mutiny. It's about bottom to top and/or top to bottom - power. Where the power is decoupled from the subjects (one has power on) and the subjects are not able to interact, then it is dictatorshit, slavery and suppression, which is that other side of power, that really corrupts and a Jedi would call..the dark side of power
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Rose]
#7892077 - 01/17/08 08:29 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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He thought he was doing the right thing... but he failed to realize the emotional impact such action would have on me... and the others who were banned without cause.
"Banned without cause". Cmon man you may not agree with their cause but you really can't say that. Regardless of how you feel about Ythan, he in effect "owns" the website and doesn't have to be "reasonable" or even "fair" when it comes to who he allows on the site.
Remember the sign in the store "Management reserves the right to refuse service to anyone"? Usually it was a surly looking guy at a restaurant that you really didn't want to get pissed off at you anyway.
Somehow I can't picture Ythan to be a big surly guy just looking for someone to ban from his establishment. But, like anyone, you press enough buttons and eventually they hit the pissed off stage. There were a lot of buttons being pushed back before you got banned.
As to the "emotional fallout" from being 86ed from some bar, kicked out of the coffee house, or banned from a website, I would guess that Management Reserves their Right To Be Hard Asses and To Not Give a Fuck. That's why they are managers and in charge. Do you think most bosses go home and worry about the emotional fallout to the guy they fired that day for being insubordinate? Hell no, here's your paycheck smart ass and don't come back.
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Icelander
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
#7892176 - 01/17/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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falcon said: Well under the influence of power humans become corrupt or more corrupt. And that seems to be a fact.
I don't think that is a fact at all. Has Diploid become corrupt? He is Mod with the Power to ban, move threads, ect. In what way has he been corrupted?
Give me a break. We're talking about real power over people. And only Diploid knows the truth about his moderation.
And just because it is the norm that power corrupts there will always be one or two exceptions to the rule. (maybe)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Rose]
#7892203 - 01/17/08 09:24 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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falcon said: Cervantes, as Icelander said, you should be a Mod.
Thanks... I think.
Anyway... been there, done that. I don't think I'd do it again... even if I was asked nicely. To bastardize a quote from Spiro Agnew, VP to Richard Nixon: IMHO, Moderating at THIS website isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.
Mods here have a code of silence. Mods here aren't allowed to tell people the truth behind their actions if it reveals the secrets of the Mod forum.
A few years ago, when some of the Staff here began banning people without cause, I couldn't continue to uphold that silly code, so I stepped down. I thought stepping down would allow me to be honest in public. I thought stepping down would allow me to tell people that the bans WERE happening without cause. I was wrong. Stepping down and speaking up got me in a lot of trouble... and it cost me a lot more than my Modship.
The creator of this website (The ALL POWERFUL wonder kid, Ythan) had me perma-banned on Christmas day, a few years ago. When I was banned, I hadn't posted here in several days. He never told me why he did it. I suspect it was because I was too honest.
Nobody on the Staff ever accused me of lying. Nobody accused me of breaking a rule. I was just instantly perma-banned. 
Thank God the other Mods rallied to get my ban lifted.
Still, I got the point... and stayed off these boards for a couple years, before coming back.
Diploid saw it all happen... but he wasn't yet a Mod. I think he's better suited for the job than I ever was. 
But I am here to tell you, power DOES corrupt.
And I am not afraid to question a Mod's actions if I see something I don't like.
Ythan and Geokills are a perfect example of what this thread is all about. Geokills also gave me a 30 day ban in violation of the rules stated for such a ban.
I always admired the way you tried to bring everyone together around the facts "truth" during that time even though I tried my best to argue that you were being naive and were headed for disappointment.
You're really too good to be a mod here. (unlike Diploid. )
Kidding of course. Diploid will have a fine ol time here as long as things run fairly smooth. If he ever has to go against the grain on principle he will most likely be done for.
Of course you suspected correctly that I was kidding you about becoming a mod.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/17/08 11:16 AM)
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Diploid
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Icelander]
#7892340 - 01/17/08 10:11 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Diploid will have a fine ol time here as long as things run fairly smooth. If he ever has to go against the grain on principle he will most likely be done for.
The smart warrior fights only those battles he has some chance of winning. Cervantes learned that the hard way.
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NiamhNyx
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it stars saddam said:
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MushmanTheManic said: The social psychologist Philip Zimbardo wrote a whole book about this subject, called The Lucifer Effect.
I've noticed that recently a lot of sexy, local, intellectual women have been walking around carrying that book under their arms, as if it were some kind of status symbol of intellectual elitism. It works out well for myself; great conversation starter. I can stroll on over and say something like "oh wow, that is a great book; I've read it twice. In fact, I bought it on March 13, 2007, the day it was released. What do you think of it?" Boom. Locked in.
In all seriousness though, that is a damn good book. I like Phillip Zimbardo; he's very charming despite his heinous experiments.
Hahah, maybe I should start carrying this book around campus. An interesting read that's makes for an easy pick-up? Yes please!
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Icelander
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7892532 - 01/17/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Diploid will have a fine ol time here as long as things run fairly smooth. If he ever has to go against the grain on principle he will most likely be done for.
The smart warrior fights only those battles he has some chance of winning. Cervantes learned that the hard way.
You're right. By learning it the "hard way" I think there is a good chance he really did learn something and you can ask no more than that. (and get it)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (01/17/08 11:12 AM)
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Rose
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
#7892546 - 01/17/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Diploid will have a fine ol time here as long as things run fairly smooth. If he ever has to go against the grain on principle he will most likely be done for.
The smart warrior fights only those battles he has some chance of winning. Cervantes learned that the hard way.
Heh, I'd actually won the SAME battle a year earlier. But nobody knew about it 'cause it all happened behind the scenes. I am sure geokills remembers THAT one. Heh, geo and I have a mutual respect for one another, because of our epic backstage arguments.
I have never worked so hard at something in my life... as I have worked for this website. 14 hour days were the norm for me... during the two years I was a Mod. I thought that'd make me ban-proof. It didn't... but I did get to speak my mind for A LOT longer than I would've if I'd never worked here.
My mistake was going public.
Ythan's mistake is innocent enough. He's been a part of this website for almost HALF his life. I doubt he really remembers what it is like to NOT be king. 99.99% of the time, he does a wonderful job. But he doesn't deal with social issues here... so when he steps in with his ban-stick... he is often ill informed.
Icelander's mistake... was being a true Moderate. How ironic. 
This place can remind me of the police dept. in the HBO series, "The Wire". Sometimes the system just gets in the way of real policing.
On another note...
It is common for some Mods here to think whenever they have to do some work... like, move a thread, or lock one... somebody should be banned (or at LEAST, warned). This forum no longer seems to be such a place. Thank God.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (01/17/08 11:40 AM)
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PhanTomCat
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Icelander]
#7894410 - 01/17/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Icelander said: Diploid will have a fine ol time here as long as things run fairly smooth. If he ever has to go against the grain on principle he will most likely be done for.
When I read this, I thought, "No he won't, Diploid is a diploid...!" (fully thinking "Diploid" was a word similar to "diplomat" this whole time)
OOoooops..... 

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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
#7896241 - 01/18/08 07:06 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I think it depends on the person, but that sounds like a cop-out answer; an excuse to get my shit read.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Does Power Corrupt? *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
#7897180 - 01/18/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Icelander
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Well you maybe can't fight it but you don't have to live there.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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