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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
    #7889818 - 01/16/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Crazy crazy timing, at lunch today I watched half of an "Explorer" show that I had DVR'd (from the Science, TLC, or NatGeo channel) -
entitled "The Science of Evil",and it had the "Stanford Prison Experiment" in it....

It also spoke about what the US soldiers did to the prisoners in Iraq....
I need to watch the rest of it....
It is interesting and sometimes sickening what us humans are capable of doing to each other - for no reason at all.....    :frown:


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What does that say about us? Will knowledge of this fact of human nature influence your behavior when you're placed in a position of authority over others?




I certainly hope that I am above and beyond this in my own personal nature - with or without seeing such a show.....
However, I most likely would not accept a position of authority in the first place....
Nor would I give in to peer pressure in such an instance....
I lead myself, I am not good at leading others....

This of course sounds "great", and is easy to say while in no context....


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
    #7889835 - 01/16/08 07:26 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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The difference is that you earned the position of mod. You exhibited responsibility, you were found fit for the position.
The experiment shows that for a small task or two, when a person is put in a position of authority
they abuse it. Now had they done an experiment where the group was to be together for a couple months, the person in authority would have had to alter his behavior and consider how his actions affect others, as do you.




So you think that as long as the position of power has been earned, the individual will not be inclined to abuse his or her position? What criteria would you consider counts as "earning"? Does democratic election count? If so, I might remind you that Mussolini and Hitler were both elected. They didn't take power by force.

edit: Milosevic was also democratically elected.


Edited by NiamhNyx (01/16/08 07:30 PM)


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7889885 - 01/16/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Leaders have power, followers have power, in a group it reaches a balance.


So you think that as long as the position of power has been earned, the individual will not be inclined to abuse his or her position?

Assigned or earned the postion of power is never absolute. If you have to deal with people later you abused, you may be abused yourself.

Does legal election count?

I think it is an excellent example, as a voter you may arbitrarily assign your vote or chose a canidate who you think has earned it and will treat it with respect.

If so, I might remind you that Mussolini and Hitler were both elected. :shrug:

It's possible to make bad choices.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
    #7889968 - 01/16/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)


Leaders have power, followers have power, in a group it reaches a balance.


Does it?


Assigned or earned the postion of power is never absolute. If you have to deal with people later you abused, you may be abused yourself.


I find it striking how many of the 20th century's most gruesome dictators died old and peacefully. Many of them lived much longer than they deserved. Those who would abuse power are also inclined to surround themselves with a great deal of protection. Pinochet died at 91 without having been convicted of a single crime.

I think it is an excellent example, as a voter you may arbitrarily assign your vote or chose a canidate who you think has earned it and will treat it with respect.

Assuming the candidates are completely honest about thier intentions and motivations....

It's possible to make bad choices.

Clearly.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Diploid]
    #7890024 - 01/16/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Stanford Prison Experiment anyone?



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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7890046 - 01/16/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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falcon said:Leaders have power, followers have power, in a group it reaches a balance.




Does it?




Yes.

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NiamhNyx said:
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falcon said:Assigned or earned the postion of power is never absolute. If you have to deal with people later you abused, you may be abused yourself.




I find it striking how many of the 20th century's most gruesome dictators died old and peacefully. Many of them lived much longer than they deserved. Those who would abuse power are also inclined to surround themselves with a great deal of protection. Pinochet died at 91 without having been convicted of a single crime.




I do too.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
    #7890050 - 01/16/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Leaders have power, followers have power, in a group it reaches a balance.




Reaching an understanding of roles in a group does not make it a "balance of power".....    :wink:

It is said that in a dominant submissive role-play scenario, it is the submissive one who has the power by being able to say a safe-word at his/her leisure.....
It is a balance of power in these roles - just so long as the rules are followed by all participants in play....


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
    #7890073 - 01/16/08 08:10 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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:smile: Cervantes, as Icelander said, you should be a Mod.





Thanks... I think.

Anyway... been there, done that. I don't think I'd do it again... even if I was asked nicely. To bastardize a quote from Spiro Agnew, VP to Richard Nixon: IMHO, Moderating at THIS website isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

Mods here have a code of silence. Mods here aren't allowed to tell people the truth behind their actions if it reveals the secrets of the Mod forum.

A few years ago, when some of the Staff here began banning people without cause, I couldn't continue to uphold that silly code, so I stepped down. I thought stepping down would allow me to be honest in public. I thought stepping down would allow me to tell people that the bans WERE happening without cause. I was wrong. Stepping down and speaking up got me in a lot of trouble... and it cost me a lot more than my Modship.

The creator of this website (The ALL POWERFUL wonder kid, Ythan) had me perma-banned on Christmas day, a few years ago. When I was banned, I hadn't posted here in several days. He never told me why he did it. I suspect it was because I was too honest.

Nobody on the Staff ever accused me of lying. Nobody accused me of breaking a rule. I was just instantly perma-banned. :shrug:

Thank God the other Mods rallied to get my ban lifted.

Still, I got the point... and stayed off these boards for a couple years, before coming back.

Diploid saw it all happen... but he wasn't yet a Mod. I think he's better suited for the job than I ever was. :thumbup:

But I am here to tell you, power DOES corrupt.

And I am not afraid to question a Mod's actions if I see something I don't like.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7890125 - 01/16/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Quote:PhanTomCat said:

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falcon said:
Leaders have power, followers have power, in a group it reaches a balance.


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Reaching an understanding of roles in a group does not make it a "balance of power"..... :wink:

It is said that in a dominant submissive role-play scenario, it is the submissive one who has the power by being able to say a safe-word at his/her leisure.....
It is a balance of power in these roles - just so long as the rules are followed by all participants in play....




:lol: Ah, one of the responsiblities of the participants is to be aware of the rules.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7890131 - 01/16/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

That experiment is unbelievable. Maybe unbelievable isn't the right word, because the results are not particularly suprising to me, just that the implications are horrific. These people knew they were acting and that it wasn't thier 'real life.' They could have chosen to leave the experiment, or refused to follow the rules, yet not a single individual made such a choice. Now translate that into everyday reality, into the roles people identify themselves with in thier day to day lives...


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Rose]
    #7890147 - 01/16/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

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But I am here to tell you, power DOES corrupt.




** Power can corrupt those individuals that are susceptible to corruption....
There are **always** exceptions to the general rules....

Moderation is always key....    :wink:
Well, maybe not the "mod" kind of moderation.....    :tongue:


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7890171 - 01/16/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

You're just picking nits. :tongue:


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Rose]
    #7890194 - 01/16/08 08:33 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
You're just picking nits. :tongue:




Yeah, it is all semantics....    :thumbup:
I like to play....!    :grin:


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: Rose]
    #7890196 - 01/16/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Your welcome.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: falcon]
    #7890212 - 01/16/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

:smirk: :smile:


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? *DELETED* [Re: Rose]
    #7890230 - 01/16/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #7890404 - 01/16/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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The creator of this website (The ALL POWERFUL wonder kid, Ythan) had me perma-banned on Christmas day, a few years ago. When I was banned, I hadn't posted here in several days. He never told me why he did it. I suspect it was because I was too honest.





I suspect it was because he fucking COULD "perma-ban" you, just like he fucking COULD "unperma-ban" you. Scary like that kid in Star Trek...Thank God Kirk was around to set him straight.




Man, in his eyes, this is HIS site. Almost everything that makes this place unique was programmed by him. He started The Shroomery when he was 14. The Shroomery is 10 years old. You do the math.

He did it because he was young. Because he could... and because I was creating a LOT of drama... at the very least I was creating drama in his eyes. The Staff serves to quell drama. And usually, that is a good thing.

He thought he was doing the right thing... but he failed to realize the emotional impact such action would have on me... and the others who were banned without cause.

Powerful people do things for the right reasons... at least in their eyes. But they DO (more often than not) eventually forget what it is like to be without such power.


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7890496 - 01/16/08 09:38 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Quote:

Cervantes said:
But I am here to tell you, power DOES corrupt.




Power can corrupt those individuals that are susceptible to corruption....




But not you of course; you're not susceptible to corruption, right?


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7890796 - 01/16/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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it stars saddam said:
But not you of course; you're not susceptible to corruption, right?





Everyone is....  Me not withstanding.... 
Everything in it's right context.... 
Perception is always a tricky thing....
But intent, only the person "doing" can know where his heart is when "doing"........   
Then there is the smearable grey area, always up for interpretation....
I would like to think that I would choose with my heart in the right place - without using that as an excuse for a grey area....    :thumbup:


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Re: Does Power Corrupt? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7890938 - 01/16/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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I would like to think that I would choose with my heart in the right place




I'm sure you would like to think that, who wouldn't? But keep this in mind: you mentioned "context"; yes, context is importance. I think everyone here underestimates the degree to which a major change in one's environment/circumstances could alter their usual patterns of behavior. Even the meekest, most introverted pacifist can become a cold-blooded killer if pushed far enough and/or when driven by his primal instincts. To further explore the topic at hand, I highly reconmend you watch the film Straw Dogs; it gracefully deals with the exact topic of this particular discussion.


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