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FarFromHere
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Moma Dukes
#7888031 - 01/16/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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So I'm trying to conveince my mom to do salvia.
She's never smoked cannabis and is around 40 years old.
How can I conveince here that these plants are good for you?
I'd like to get her to try Cactus, one day...
I really feel she is missing out...
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MushroomTrip
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Don't You can't make people do what they don't want to do You don't like her telling you not to use drugs and she must feel the same when you're telling her to use them. Stop being childish
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FarFromHere
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It's not like she's stupid, she's not completely close minded...
She just needs some conveinceing...
All her info about salvia comes from the news
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DontPlay
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Umm I can picture you getting her to smoke some pot before Salvia thats not a nice thing to get someone to try. Salvia is not a recreational drug. Peyote would be interesting but also not much of a recreational drug. Try to get her to burn one with you, Me and my mom used to get high before she quit. Good times very good way to bond also
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Re: Moma Dukes [Re: DontPlay]
#7888053 - 01/16/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Cannabis is illegal.
She wouldn't go for that.
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OneMoreRobot3021



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MushroomTrip said: Don't You can't make people do what they don't want to do You don't like her telling you not to use drugs and she must feel the same when you're telling her to use them. Stop being childish
Seriously.
Stop trying to convince people to do drugs. Your trip is your trip. Their trip is their trip. Drugs are not the greatest thing in the world and not everyone should do them.
You come off as very immature in this thread.
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salvia?
tell her its not as harsh with a butane lighter
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FarFromHere
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I bet some people on here feel like I do...
Don't you want to share the experience with them, if they show interest?
She asked me about it...
But for the past 40 years she has been conditioned so heavily by society that she hasn't even smoked cannabis!
Should I not attempt to get her to re-examine her stance on plant drugs?
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tell her its not as harsh with a butane lighter
I'm useing the quid method...
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/16/08 12:43 PM)
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grassman
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If your mom has never smoked cannabis, chances are she's probably never encountered an altered state of perception, except for maybe alcohol.
So if she were to do salvia it would most likely be the scariest experience of her life. She probably has no idea what she would be in for (if she broke through).
If salvia is something that she wants to try it should be her decision and there should be no need for convincing.
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Re: Moma Dukes [Re: grassman]
#7888477 - 01/16/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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You are going to freak her shit. Very bad idea, in my opinion.
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Re: Moma Dukes [Re: 04281969]
#7888493 - 01/16/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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You talk like she MUST absolutely try it. If at 40, she didn't try anything yet, there is not problem in the fact that she NEVER take anything and if you really want her to try something, start with canabis, not salvia for godsake. The chances are that it will be badly overwhelming experience for her.
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I think everybody should have one entheogenic experience.
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monkeybus
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So I'm trying to conveince my mom to do salvia.
You could learn how to spell "convince" for starters.
I'm bored of this.
Anyone else?
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opensaysme
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Yea it's not a good idea man, if she's never tried any psychedelic or other mind altering substance besides alcohol i don't think salvia is the place to start. Like devilmike said, shes 40 and shes made it this far just fine without any drugs like that. What makes ya think she needs it now?
If she wants to do it, then more power to her. But IMO you shouldn't try to convince her to try it. Have her smoke a doob with you if your dead set on her trying something. Get her to realize that just cus the government says you shouldn't have it doesn't mean its bad...
Actually fuck that, conveince her to smoke PCP brah she'll love it.
Edited by opensaysme (01/16/08 07:01 PM)
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monkeybus
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Salvia, the gateway drug.
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KrishnaDreamer
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you could take a big fat hit, and then give her mouth to mouth, then, when she sees the err of her ways, you can correct her.
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Salvia, the gateway drug.
I LOL'd.
I hadn't even heard of salvia until I started smoking pot and doing shrooms.
But honestly...getting your mom to try salvia for her first drug experiences? Yikes. =/ You're gonna send her to an early grave!
If you simply MUST convince her to do something, get her to try pot. Salvia will fuck her shit up. Serially.
Maybe once she's comfortable with pot (if she ever will be), she'll be more open to salvia and also will know moreso what to expect. As opposed to "smoke this" BAM!!! Dimensional Time Shift!
Don't do it.
And why the hell are you harping on her to try drugs? Some people just don't want to and shouldn't be meant to. Don't push it...Don't treat it like something everyone should try. Because honestly, not everyone should. Not to sound like a bitch, but yea, my two cents.
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So she knows you do drugs. and that you want her to try them. Can't you just leave well enough alone?
Trying to shove the idea of doing drugs down people's throats is really no better than trying to convert them to your religion because you think it's "the way."
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CidneyIndole
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I think your heart is in the right place, but you may be looking at it wrong, and going about it wrong.
First of all, drugs aren't for everyone. That's just how it is. You may have to accept the fact that your mother could be one of those people.
Secondly, Salvia is a bit of a strange drug. The first time I smoked 5x, I was already pretty experienced, with over 10 years, and quite a number of substances and experiences under my belt. That first salvia trip scared the bejesus out of me for a minute.
Two hits and I reached the "amnesia" stage immediately. I regained consciousness about 5 minutes later, saw a giant transparent, liquid-looking swirling tube connecting my television and my head.
My immediate response was fear, and the thought that I had damaged my brain. Fortunately, my experience kicked in right away, and I was able to tell myself that it was only a drug, a new drug, and everything was fine.
If I had never taken ANY drug before... who knows how I might have handled that fear, and the thought that I had fucked myself up.
Salvia could be a little intense for a first-timer, and it's also too unpredictable, regarding dose. I gave some of the SAME stuff that I smoked to a couple friends to try, and they seemed affected, feeling "something"... got a little spacey and giggly. But nothing like I experienced.
If I were in your situation, I would really try to get into her feelings... WHY she feels the way she does about drugs. Especially drugs like marijuana. I would present her with facts, and try to open her mind, at least to the idea that pot is harmless.
That is the best place to start, and even that may not work.
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Re: Moma Dukes [Re: 04281969]
#7891603 - 01/17/08 01:35 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said: You are going to freak her shit. Very bad idea, in my opinion.
word. I make it a rule to not try and convince people to take psychedelic drugs. its definately not for everyone, especially if they have reservations about doing them. Especially salvia.
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This reminds me of when I wsa about sixteen, and had recently had some powerful mushroom experiences... I was also at that age where my Mom and I were having some trouble connecting as we once had. Well long story short, I ended up convincing her to do mushrooms with me, and she has never touched drugs. It never materialized, as she wasn't going to press the issue and her agreeing was good enough for me.
Looking back almost a decade later, I didn't want to ACTUALLY shroom with Her so much as re-connect. Having her understand that there's a spiritual/enlightening reason to take mushrooms, that they weren't just like stronger illegal alcohol was also important. It basically came down to me wanting to re-connect and get closer to my Mom, as well as have her approve of my use of mushrooms/drugs...
I suspect that there is a bit of this going on with you too? You also have to realize that having her take a strong mind drug as her virgin experience could seriously backfire. She could come out of the experience even more anti-drug, and this is too say nothing of any mentall complications that could arise. I know the vast majority of my bad trips have occured when I was taking something not because I wanted to, but because I reasoned it was a good time to do so, or because someone else wanted me to.
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Ok, ok, ok...
Salvia is not the right entheogen to use...
But it has to be legal or there is no way she will do it.
If I showed her some pot or something esle illegal it would be very bad.
Cactus maybe?
A low dose of cactus?
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"Just come to church with me once. Really. You'll love it. come on. No? How about we read the bible together?"
No difference.
If she wants to try it, she'll try it. You made her aware that you want her to try it. Quit forcing the issue. Geez.
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MushroomTrip
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Tell me what's the difference between you and those who try to impose their will on you? This is so immature and self centered of you. I'll tell you EXACTLY what I think about that and you ponder on it, because I know I'm right about it. The reason why you wanna do this is because you crave for approval and hope that she will have a life changing experience just to hear her say she was wrong. And you were right. How stupid is that? As long as you'll seek for those, you'll never get it right, because it means that you are one frustrated individual. Let each person live the way THEY want, no matter how stupid it might seem to you, and instead of having these concerns, focus on reaching mental maturity, it looks like you need it.
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FarFromHere
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Well I haven't said anything esle to her.
I'm just talking to you guys.
I know it will come up again.
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