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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: soulcircus]
#7887950 - 01/16/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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p torch is awsome
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T. peruvanius and T. pachanoi (San Pedro) contains mostly mescaline.
T. bridgesii and Lophophora (Peyote) contain other chemicals.
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Re: Curious about Cactus *DELETED* [Re: FarFromHere]
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: soulcircus]
#7888021 - 01/16/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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T. peruvianus and pachanoi are more subtle...
Peyote and T. bridgesii are more heavy handed and intense...
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: soulcircus]
#7888026 - 01/16/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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You're not going to feel much difference between SP, Torch, or bridgesii. Why do you keep spreading that misinformation?
Bridgesii contains mescaline as its cheif alkaloid. Other than that, it contains... less than 1% of 3,4-dimethoxyphenylethylamine, less than 1% of 3-methoxytyramine, and less than 1% of tyramine
Unless you have a link to some sort of scientific data that clearly contradicts all previous study done on the cactus...?
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: 04281969]
#7888033 - 01/16/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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That's def. not true...
Bridgesii can be very different than T. pachanoi...
Especially T. bridgesii monstrose...
Somebody back me up... CPW1971 didn't you tell me about your Bridgesii trip a while back?
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7888070 - 01/16/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Well, those are the numbers. Set and setting can make an impact, though.
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: 04281969]
#7888164 - 01/16/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm telling you.
From all the people I've talked to who grow trichocereus cacti, here and on other forums, they all say the Bridgesii trip is different from a T. peruvianus or T. pachanoi trip.
Every Trichocereus is different, but it seems that the T. bridgesii often contains much higher concentrations of the peyote-like chemicals.
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7888171 - 01/16/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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That's nice. It's still wrong, though.
If you would follow the links I provide, like http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide.shtml you could learn these things before you post incorrect information.
Bridgesii is one of the more pure carriers of mescaline. It acutally has a fewer number of accompanying alkaloids than San Pedro or Peruvian Torch.
San Pedro has: mescaline, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenethylamine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, anhalonidine, anhalinine, hordenine, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine.
Peruvian Torch has: mescaline, 2-chloromescaline, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-5-dimethoxyphenethylamine.
But in any case, the levels of these chemicals (other than mescaline) in these three cacti are so low that they don't affect much. Even in peyote, the extras don't actually make you trip themselves, they just "flavor" the mescaline.
Okay, there might be slight differences, but I bet you won't do better than 33% on a Pepsi challenge.
They're all great. To consider one better than another would mean that one is not as good. - And they're all great!
Edited by 04281969 (01/16/08 01:20 PM)
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: 04281969]
#7888502 - 01/16/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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An entheogen's signature cannot be compared by analysing the chemical contents.
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: felix4life]
#7888570 - 01/16/08 03:08 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I don't mean to be a smart ass here, but do you propose a label of "hokus pokus" on medicine bottles? Mescaline is going to have the effects of mescaline. What are you saying?
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: 04281969]
#7888605 - 01/16/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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hey what if i took 3 grams syrian rue before i ate some mescaline.
do you think it would be dangerous
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depends how much mescaline u take taking rue with anything is a dangerous mescaline isnt particularly dangerous with rue unlike DXM or MDMA
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: Coaster]
#7888618 - 01/16/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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sweet if i get the guts to do it ill post my experience.
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theres some on erowid i no farfromhere did it
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: Coaster]
#7888656 - 01/16/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I have taken Torch any many times and it was great and all but I tried the same amount of Bridgesii and it fucking kicked my ass. I was tripping real hard and seeing visuals that rivaled Ayahuasca. It was way way way more potent than Torch. I even puked my brains out that night and Torch never made me come close to that.
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: cpw1971]
#7888928 - 01/16/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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There are growing techniques to increase the potency of the cactus. There are also extraction techniques that give variable results. Or maybe you could have possibly eaten a natural MAOI that interacted.
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: 04281969]
#7889215 - 01/16/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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true dat
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: cpw1971]
#7889648 - 01/16/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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I did do mescaline and rue.
Put my staight to sleep...
I couldn't hold me eyes open.
I slept for 12 hours, w
I did do mescaline and rue.
Put my staight to sleep...
I couldn't hold me eyes open.
I slept for 12 hours, when I woke up I wasn't really trippin' anymore...
I had some crazy dreams tho!
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hey're all great. To consider one better than another would mean that one is not as good. - And they're all great!
Agreed!
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I have taken Torch any many times and it was great and all but I tried the same amount of Bridgesii and it fucking kicked my ass. I was tripping real hard and seeing visuals that rivaled Ayahuasca. It was way way way more potent than Torch. I even puked my brains out that night and Torch never made me come close to that
Exactly! and 100 other people have told me the same exact thing...
Bridgesii is more purgative, visual and potent!
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Re: Curious about Cactus [Re: Coaster]
#7889820 - 01/16/08 07:21 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Quote:
Coaster said:
taking rue with anything is dangerous
Why would you say that?
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