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Amanita nausea... how bad?
#7886333 - 01/15/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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So just how bad is the nausea caused by a dose of around 10-15 grams of amanitas?, I know it'll be different for everyone, but just want a general idea before I take them... a comparison would to another drug would be nice, I have experience with a very large variety of psychoactive plants/chemicals.
please tell me it's not as bad as HB woodrose seeds... Honestly, I've never felt more nauseas from anything... fucking terrible gut rot
and will making them into tea reduce this effect?... they're already dried and shit.
gonna make sure I got lots of pot, heard that can help.
I'll be taking them this weekend, I'll post a report whenever I'm able to type coherently again.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
#7886372 - 01/15/08 10:26 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/8671/Preparation-of-Amanita-muscaria
Properply prep' it and you won't get sick at all...
Def. make a water infusion...
1)Grind up the Amanitas 2)Boil water 3)Take pot off the heat and add the mushroooms 4)Allow it to cool for an hour or so, then strain and drink.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886384 - 01/15/08 10:28 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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hmm... really?, I tried a little just to sample the taste, thought it tasted like chicken broth, that was only a little nibble though, I'm sure a few large caps could change my mind.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? *DELETED* [Re: LuSiD9]
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7886393 - 01/15/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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cool, thanks... I'm gonna do that.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886397 - 01/15/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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canada... why?
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886445 - 01/15/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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mine are actualy washington caps... grade A if that means anything
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886453 - 01/15/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Just cause he's in Canada doesn't mean the caps are from Canada...
Where did you get your caps, man?
Chemy, which did you find to be the best type?
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886492 - 01/15/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Chemy said: I don't want to give dosage info but you should start LOW with Wa Amanitas, I did too much twice and it is hell, pure hell.
so 10-15 gs may be over shootin a bit?
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? *DELETED* [Re: LuSiD9]
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886517 - 01/15/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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with raw amanita eaten whole one mushroom. i get little to none nausea but i properly bless em and stuff. if they are prepared right no nausea and only one mushroom will do more then 20g of online ones
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7886633 - 01/15/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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lol i said it has to be blessed its an important key and you must properly pick em. Its yummy and works really well when done right a good way it so squeeze it into a ball and swallow whole you feel effects almost immediately when they peak in 2 hours. but for beginners look at DudeNJ's countless post on methods of consumption. he lists ways to cook em some suggestions of stuff to mix with it theres alot of stuff he said and got board of typing it over and over so use your search function do that shit up. but after all those years with way more EXP i say the best way is fresh i kinda knew it all along but i do like using the other methods too so yeah
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Naw dude.
Picking them properly has nothing to do with it.
You must dry them and heat them to convert the chemicals.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7886917 - 01/16/08 12:45 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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really picking properly has everything to do with it cause if you get the wrong ones its not good lol. thats what i ment about proper picking as in IDing it. second i find the raw to be better far far better cooking em is a waste of time unless you like cooking em in that cause make soup,cheese eggs, or ect
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really picking properly has everything to do with it cause if you get the wrong ones its not good lol. thats what i ment about proper picking as in IDing it.
O yes of course!
I thought you were telling me you had a magical mushroom hand shake which awoke the God within the tiny shroom allowing you to trip baaallls...
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second i find the raw to be better far far better cooking em is a waste of time unless you like cooking em in that cause make soup,cheese eggs, or ect
Haha I love you dude!
You eat a lot of drugs don't you?
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7886932 - 01/16/08 12:53 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I thought you were telling me you had a magical mushroom hand shake which awoke the God within the tiny shroom allowing you to trip baaallls...
well of course that too but i thought that was just implied and didnt need to be spoken of
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Someones been listening to that Hawk fella too much. 
Seriously, LuSiD9 make sure you prepare the mushrooms properly or you'll end up with poinsoning from the ibotenic acid.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#7887894 - 01/16/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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i was all about eating em raw before i heard of that guy. some websites talk about how siberian medicine men would take whole amanita and squeeze it into a ball and eat. well i wanted to do it but i kinda was mmmm and never got around to it until a couple months ago and it was amazing and as i said ill eat em that way from now on unless i want to cook it into a meal which isnt the most effective way but works fine. Being human life isnt really about doing things the most effective way its about having fun doing it
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So an alternative to cooking them to remove the harmful chemicals is to just simply bless them? You should make a tek on this.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: krypto2000]
#7888131 - 01/16/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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lol who says those chemicals are so damn harmful any way. i think somewhere along the line scientist fucked up if you ever watched the sacred weeds video i think they were a bunch of stupid as scientist type fellows who deffinatly didnt grasp the depth of amanita at all and werent thruo in their research. so what ever. i find that ibotenic helps induce the trance regaurdless how they come in nature is just perfect with the right blance of chemicals. what exactly make you think ibotenic acid is so harmful cause theres a whole bunch of peoeple in the medical feild that will tell you that when you cook it those drugs too are harmful so unless you have extensive EXP in eating raw i dunno how you can question it that much i have extensive EXP in raw and cooked with many methods. Back when they grew on my campus i would have em all the time, something i dont recomend specaily with use of wormwood due to the heavy psychological effects.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7888384 - 01/16/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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lol
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7889528 - 01/16/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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FarFromHere said: Naw dude.
Picking them properly has nothing to do with it.
You must dry them and heat them to convert the chemicals.
Everything I have read about the aminita suggests that the chemicals need to be converted. I mentioned this in another thread, but I saw a documentary that discussed shamanistic aminata usage amongst Siberians. Apparently Siberian shamans herded reindeer's because they were keen at finding and eating Amanitas (their favorite snack). Since the chemicals need to be converted, when one eats a raw aminata you will be poisoning yourself and not tripping properly at all (thus the nausea).
To prevent this, the shamans would drink the urine of the reindeer's which was converted into its traditional psychedelic form during the reindeer's digestion (eat the yellow snow, new meaning to dosing pets) or anyones digestion for that matter.
So my point is, if you do end up eating raw Amanita, do yourself a favor and save your urine. Or better yet, find out how to achieve the same end via tea or something.
I have never dosed amanita, so take what I say with a grain of salt
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Tattoo]
#7890317 - 01/16/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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i heard the same thing about the reindeer. in siberia 
the reindeer would eat them for "euphoric effects"
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I drank my own pee.
That's right.
I said it.
....it works.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7890411 - 01/16/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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FarFromHere said: I drank my own pee.
That's right.
I said it.
....it works.
I used to Insuffalate to clear my nasal passages, but that was when i was vegan. Urine therapy works to clear lots of ailments
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: coulterIV]
#7890599 - 01/16/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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ok.... yeah im ok on drinking piss its the only method i havent really done. tho i will still stand with fresh you just gota have the balls for it and it will treat you right if you think youll be really sick you might get really sick its a strong psychedelic mind can make you feel alot or not feel alot
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I think that will be the last thread I bother to read on Aminitas. Good luck with the new liver, by the way.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
#7892213 - 01/17/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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lol where have you read that it causes liver problems thats what i want to know! yes deadly amanita cause liver problems destroying angel and such, but those chemicals arnt in Amanita , And saying hmmm since its and amanita too it must not be healthy, you know god forbid those crazy motherfuckers that eat cesars amanita or any of the other edible amanitas raw they will have liver problems too.
saying the whole liver problem thing doesnt make much sense
http://inchem.org/documents/pims/fungi/pimg026.htm thats a toxicology report
The most frequent cause of intoxication is the consumption of Amanita muscaria by people who mistake it and ignore its toxicity. Amanita muscaria might also be ingested in order to obtain mind-altering effects. The central nervous system is the major target organ
target organ as in the consider it only a neuro toxin
All parts of the fruit body of A. muscaria are toxic. The isoxazoles are NOT distributed uniformly in the mushroom. Most are detected in the cap of the fruit, then in the base, with the smallest amount in the stalk (Lampe, 1978; Tsunoda et al., 1993). Drying A. muscaria in the sun or with heater caused an increase of muscimol in the mushroom, though a lot of precursors of ibotenic acid was lost. Ibotenic acid and muscimol in the mushroom were stable on storage under dry or salt conditions (Benedict et al., 1966; Tsunoda et al., 1993). Whilst ibotenic acid and muscimol are rapidly released from the mushrooms by cooking and boiling, these processes do not eliminate all toxic substances.
Ibotenic acid and muscimol have similar structure to glutamic acid and GABA
like how psilocybin is similar to seratonin
any who there is no evidance that suggests that either of the drugs arae harmful to the body other then maybe neurotransmitters so peace
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From http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info7.shtml
"There has been a great deal of confusing, contradictory and incorrect information published about the toxicity of Amanita muscaria and A. pantherina. This information has appeared in everything from well-respected encyclopedias and mushroom field guides to medical textbooks and poison control center handbooks."
"Because A. muscaria and A. pantherina belong to the genus Amanita, the same genus that contains two deadly, liver-toxic mushrooms (Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa), many people believe that the fly agaric mushrooms also contain liver toxins."
No wonder people used to be very serious about the liver shutting down, etc. If it's published in text books, it's supposed to be researched.
And yes, I tried them (baked), but they didn't do much for me. No big deal when you're used to actualy tripping from cubes. Add to that the fact that you can die from an accidental overdose. Ibonic acid is a powerful neurotoxin and brain lesioning agent. They aren't harmless.
I'll stick with the mushrooms that actually work. And that have an LD50 of "more than you can eat".
EDIT: Actual LD50 of psilocybin is 280mg/kg in rats, 12.5mg/kg in rabbits. Death from psilocybin intake alone is unknown at recreational or medicinal levels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
#7892571 - 01/17/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Reports of amanita death are really rare. as its been said "Because A. muscaria and A. pantherina belong to the genus Amanita, the same genus that contains two deadly, liver-toxic mushrooms (Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa), many people believe that the fly agaric mushrooms also contain liver toxins." and belifs always arnt true if they contained those toxins A it would of came up in a toxicology exam of the mushroom and B people would die you only need very little of those to kill Amatoxin or what ever they are called. the lessioning was only found to occour btw when it was injected via needle into the brain so im not really worryed about that. accidental over dose is easy only if your taking panther amanita and eating em like candy for some reason i still hold to 1 amanita is all you ever need fresh or dried. 2 at most. might also add the deaths are in either extremely old people or little kids that think they are strawberries or something whose body cant handle much of anything and opiates would probally kill. I have heard of many black out cases where people buy a bag of em online and eat em all tho. and i have to say stupid fucking kids
any who Amanita can do stuff psilocybin mushrooms can dream of doing but honestly i prefer cyans, azures,or strong gyms to cubes. and work quite well one could assume maybe you just need to use biofeed back to retain the drugs and properly place em in the brain i dunno but they rock the lamas socks when used right. Theres a reason theres the people that say they are amazing and the people that dont.
i will leave with this last comment they are a holy sacrement and blessed unless you are using under those pretenses they tend not to work very well and they wont ever make you "high"
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Well, I guess I just see it as getting buzzed from poisons. Some, like alcohol, have more positives than negatives (for the average person), but others, like sniffing glue, just aren't worth the damage it causes.
I could be wrong, but I'm happy with it.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
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what damage does amanita cause ? alcohol causes brain damage so does sniffing glue amanita dont niether do psilcybes or pot and a bunch of other things but glue can kill easy and alcohol can kill easy. Alot of people that are cool with psilocybe like to take a stance similar to those who arnt cool with psilocybes to amanita. which i dont understand each to their own neither are harmful to the body but i guess you can call em neuro toxin if you want to call it a toxin. but in that case i would consider painkillers neruo toxin and cannabis cause they are equally neuro
shrug maybe you just need a really good amanita EXP so you know you can have some amazing OBEs aswell as other things
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Well, poisonings are rare, but they apparently do happen. ...Unless that is all misinformation. Which it actually could be considering the history of study on it.
In any case, I've gone through a couple of ounces of them (not all at once). At best, I got some delerium. Not my thing. But, if you enjoy them then I guess the decision is yours. I actually didn't think the taste was all that bad, really.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
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yeah the taste isnt that bad but i have to agree the best ones must be picked. also combination as its been said so many times with wormwood,sage,cannabis is a good way. cooked into cheese eggs or crushing a cap and mixing 1part cream 2 part amanita
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Yeah don't eat raw Amanitas, especially considering the varied toxicity found according to region.
messing with GABA isn't safe, its actually fucking dangerous. And muscimol also affects Acetyl choline - just like deadly snake poisons. And you think ibotenic acid is safe? ("Ibotenic acid is used as a brain lesioning agent in the medical environment. When injected intracranially, ibotenic acid causes the development of lesions of the brain.") What isn't in Amanita muscaria that isn't at some level toxic?
Don't listen to someone who quotes science (wrongly) in one sentence and believes that 'blessing' mushrooms will rid them of their toxicity in another.
Prepare them properly.
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amanita nausea is the worst. they are especially disgusting in tea form. fresh is the way to go.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Once cooked, do they still have any poison?
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Research everything before trying it.
... I was watching the news this morning about the guy who wanted to parachute from the Empire State Building, and I guess eventually it comes down to, "Screw it, let him jump." The biggest danger is in convincing unprepared followers or messing up and landing yourself on some innocent person.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
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04281969 said: Research everything before trying it.
... I was watching the news this morning about the guy who wanted to parachute from the Empire State Building, and I guess eventually it comes down to, "Screw it, let him jump." The biggest danger is in convincing unprepared followers or messing up and landing yourself on some innocent person.
you have to take the leap of faith for your first amanita trip.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: coulterIV]
#7896914 - 01/18/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I believe Amanitas muscaria are a safe and vauble entheogens if prepared properly.
I still think drying fresh caps in the sun and then making a hot water infusion(just below boiling) is the best way to do it.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7897217 - 01/18/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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lol omfg if we stick it in a needle raw drugs then into a brain it causes lesions wow i already said that in this post... you know nicotine effects Acetylcholine and did you know Diazepam and wormwood effect GABA saythhing that something effects the brain neruologically is a given that doesnt mean its effecting it like venom...
any who cooking them doesnt remove all the ibotenic acid also its still there so maybe you should of said dont have em at all specially since instead of having Ibotenic acid be more prevalent you will convert it into "muscimol which also affects Acetyl cholaine - just like deadly snake poisons!!!!". so according to you we want a higher ratio of "muscimol also affects Acetyl choline - just like deadly snake poisons"!!!!!
what are you suggesting here?
pretty much im going along with what natives said cause i have tried it theres not much nausea and no headache no hang over no feeling shitty after. Heres a question whats worse eating one small fresh one or 28g of dried ones cause they also still contain ibotenic acid
"Whilst ibotenic acid and muscimol are rapidly released from the mushrooms by cooking and boiling, these processes do not eliminate all toxic substances."inchem.org pim of amanita M
how many cases btw have you heard of people blacking out from one any way there really only are issuses when people take ridiculas doses and still dont get the desired effect
in order to get he full effect only one - two rarely two is needed and has to be properly consumed including blessing and OBEs and Ect will happen, and have happened in countless people. If you look at the range of reports people that have a bad time also are people that would take datura and have a bad time for the same reason but with that be really confused and lost, its good amanita is kinder to them then how datura is. Oh shit im talking like native people that plants and everything deserves its proper effects and has its place in this world that we are all one and if so we should atleast atleast respect ourselves as we are others and others as ourself and if you cant feel that way about non living too atleast lend that to the living. the same way we bless our dead. shrug theres a reason somethings will always stay sacred like datura,amanita,salvia, and a couple more
i guess ill end with this statement When seeking to use something as a holy sacrement who do you want advice from someone that sees it as just more drugs and says its crap drugs and only makes me feel sick or from someone who uses it holy sacrment says it feels great,gives visions, and is amazing and has spirit behind it that you have to pass its test or something like that. i do know i went to a church where everyone had alot of soul a black people church where they sang and danced and praised the lord, well while there my chakras opened up specially in my palms and third eye and crown and i feel like i was in one of the most perfect amanita trips.
btw do you also tell the christians and catholics that their blood of chirst is just wine and it has dangerous effects and acoholism can be a result and that if they drink it they will get headaches vomit and the spins?
this is also a good chance to add A theres medicine men that us snake venom and dont get harmed, and B theres medicine men that have cured cancer in people... so Yar.
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i didnt get any nausia and i took eight grams, but i also didnt trip very good if i ever got them agian i would take at least 25 to 30 grams.
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then they were crap amanita and im assuming you got em online the best ones are picked and you should only need one and 2 at most....
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7898887 - 01/18/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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yeah i know they can get that heavy i guess in the case of really huge caps half that is true once i had a 9g dried cap that was way too much and it felt like dying as the the whole world spun it was like anyone i would talk to, i would suddenly starting feeling their spin it was strange, also the feeling of drool and unable to precieve time correctly i would speak really slow everyone spoke really fast and it was hard to talk to people but other poeple didnt really notice so maybe i was going normal and preieved that i was talking slow i guess it was odd.
my advice is dont bite off more then you can chew lol
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HOLY FUCK PEOPLE!!... enough jibber jabber about the raw versus cooked!... I already stated my mushrooms are dried/cooked... I'll be making them into a tea (thanks 'far from here') and fuck blessing the fucking things... I've eaten plenty o unblessed psychedelic plants that are 'supposed' to be blessed before they give a 'blessed' experience... and guess what... I HAD VERY DEEP SPIRITUAL INSIGHTS!!! **GASP**
anyhoo... should be eating them tommorow if everything goes as planned... but I have one more question... how does my good freind beer mix with these?... in moderation of course 
thanks for most of the advice! 
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
#7899470 - 01/18/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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anyhoo... should be eating them tommorow if everything goes as planned... but I have one more question... how does my good freind beer mix with these?... in moderation of course 
thanks for most of the advice! 
Personally, I wouldn't mix alcohol with any psychedelics, I see it as a slight disrespect to whatever plant/chemical I'm ingesting. Amanita can be pretty unpredictable and adding other chemicals into the mix probably won't do you any good trip-wise and could make you more nauseous in the come-up. It's up to you in the long run and I guess you only find out through experience.
Either way, good vibes.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
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yeah good luck i dont suggest booze and it either
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thanks for all the vibes guys!... I'm about 1 hour away from my ingestion, I decided I'm gonna buy a six pack of beer to accompany me through this, I know a lot of people see that as a 'disrespect' to psychedelics... And I can agree for the most part, but in my own experiences, a few beers before a major psychelic trip kinda relaxes you and puts you a nice mindframe to begin... and I like having a few once the peak is gone and I'm basicaly back to home base, very relaxing.
taking psychedelics while smashed/while getting smashed on booze is not a good idea however... I don't like to do this.
anyhoo, I'll be reporting back in a bit, tell you guys how I'm feeling and shit... might just start a new thread for teh actual experience.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
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i don't consider amanita a psychedelic but good luck! beer may actually help you.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7902874 - 01/19/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm chopping up some caps right now to make into tea, gonna start a new thread for this in a few minutes, I'll have some pics.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
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these things stink kinda like piss
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