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undergrounder
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Yeah don't eat raw Amanitas, especially considering the varied toxicity found according to region.
messing with GABA isn't safe, its actually fucking dangerous. And muscimol also affects Acetyl choline - just like deadly snake poisons. And you think ibotenic acid is safe? ("Ibotenic acid is used as a brain lesioning agent in the medical environment. When injected intracranially, ibotenic acid causes the development of lesions of the brain.") What isn't in Amanita muscaria that isn't at some level toxic?
Don't listen to someone who quotes science (wrongly) in one sentence and believes that 'blessing' mushrooms will rid them of their toxicity in another.
Prepare them properly.
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Bridgeburner
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amanita nausea is the worst. they are especially disgusting in tea form. fresh is the way to go.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7896194 - 01/18/08 06:42 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Once cooked, do they still have any poison?
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04281969
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7896214 - 01/18/08 06:53 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Research everything before trying it.
... I was watching the news this morning about the guy who wanted to parachute from the Empire State Building, and I guess eventually it comes down to, "Screw it, let him jump." The biggest danger is in convincing unprepared followers or messing up and landing yourself on some innocent person.
Edited by 04281969 (01/18/08 08:52 AM)
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coulterIV
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
#7896624 - 01/18/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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04281969 said: Research everything before trying it.
... I was watching the news this morning about the guy who wanted to parachute from the Empire State Building, and I guess eventually it comes down to, "Screw it, let him jump." The biggest danger is in convincing unprepared followers or messing up and landing yourself on some innocent person.
you have to take the leap of faith for your first amanita trip.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: coulterIV]
#7896914 - 01/18/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I believe Amanitas muscaria are a safe and vauble entheogens if prepared properly.
I still think drying fresh caps in the sun and then making a hot water infusion(just below boiling) is the best way to do it.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7897217 - 01/18/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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lol omfg if we stick it in a needle raw drugs then into a brain it causes lesions wow i already said that in this post... you know nicotine effects Acetylcholine and did you know Diazepam and wormwood effect GABA saythhing that something effects the brain neruologically is a given that doesnt mean its effecting it like venom...
any who cooking them doesnt remove all the ibotenic acid also its still there so maybe you should of said dont have em at all specially since instead of having Ibotenic acid be more prevalent you will convert it into "muscimol which also affects Acetyl cholaine - just like deadly snake poisons!!!!". so according to you we want a higher ratio of "muscimol also affects Acetyl choline - just like deadly snake poisons"!!!!!
what are you suggesting here?
pretty much im going along with what natives said cause i have tried it theres not much nausea and no headache no hang over no feeling shitty after. Heres a question whats worse eating one small fresh one or 28g of dried ones cause they also still contain ibotenic acid
"Whilst ibotenic acid and muscimol are rapidly released from the mushrooms by cooking and boiling, these processes do not eliminate all toxic substances."inchem.org pim of amanita M
how many cases btw have you heard of people blacking out from one any way there really only are issuses when people take ridiculas doses and still dont get the desired effect
in order to get he full effect only one - two rarely two is needed and has to be properly consumed including blessing and OBEs and Ect will happen, and have happened in countless people. If you look at the range of reports people that have a bad time also are people that would take datura and have a bad time for the same reason but with that be really confused and lost, its good amanita is kinder to them then how datura is. Oh shit im talking like native people that plants and everything deserves its proper effects and has its place in this world that we are all one and if so we should atleast atleast respect ourselves as we are others and others as ourself and if you cant feel that way about non living too atleast lend that to the living. the same way we bless our dead. shrug theres a reason somethings will always stay sacred like datura,amanita,salvia, and a couple more
i guess ill end with this statement When seeking to use something as a holy sacrement who do you want advice from someone that sees it as just more drugs and says its crap drugs and only makes me feel sick or from someone who uses it holy sacrment says it feels great,gives visions, and is amazing and has spirit behind it that you have to pass its test or something like that. i do know i went to a church where everyone had alot of soul a black people church where they sang and danced and praised the lord, well while there my chakras opened up specially in my palms and third eye and crown and i feel like i was in one of the most perfect amanita trips.
btw do you also tell the christians and catholics that their blood of chirst is just wine and it has dangerous effects and acoholism can be a result and that if they drink it they will get headaches vomit and the spins?
this is also a good chance to add A theres medicine men that us snake venom and dont get harmed, and B theres medicine men that have cured cancer in people... so Yar.
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Edited by Sra_sephiroth0 (01/18/08 12:44 PM)
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awesomebastard
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i didnt get any nausia and i took eight grams, but i also didnt trip very good if i ever got them agian i would take at least 25 to 30 grams.
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then they were crap amanita and im assuming you got em online the best ones are picked and you should only need one and 2 at most....
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Chemy
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? *DELETED* [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
#7898714 - 01/18/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7898887 - 01/18/08 07:43 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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yeah i know they can get that heavy i guess in the case of really huge caps half that is true once i had a 9g dried cap that was way too much and it felt like dying as the the whole world spun it was like anyone i would talk to, i would suddenly starting feeling their spin it was strange, also the feeling of drool and unable to precieve time correctly i would speak really slow everyone spoke really fast and it was hard to talk to people but other poeple didnt really notice so maybe i was going normal and preieved that i was talking slow i guess it was odd.
my advice is dont bite off more then you can chew lol
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LuSiD9
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HOLY FUCK PEOPLE!!... enough jibber jabber about the raw versus cooked!... I already stated my mushrooms are dried/cooked... I'll be making them into a tea (thanks 'far from here') and fuck blessing the fucking things... I've eaten plenty o unblessed psychedelic plants that are 'supposed' to be blessed before they give a 'blessed' experience... and guess what... I HAD VERY DEEP SPIRITUAL INSIGHTS!!! **GASP**
anyhoo... should be eating them tommorow if everything goes as planned... but I have one more question... how does my good freind beer mix with these?... in moderation of course 
thanks for most of the advice! 
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
#7899470 - 01/18/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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LuSiD9 said:
anyhoo... should be eating them tommorow if everything goes as planned... but I have one more question... how does my good freind beer mix with these?... in moderation of course 
thanks for most of the advice! 
Personally, I wouldn't mix alcohol with any psychedelics, I see it as a slight disrespect to whatever plant/chemical I'm ingesting. Amanita can be pretty unpredictable and adding other chemicals into the mix probably won't do you any good trip-wise and could make you more nauseous in the come-up. It's up to you in the long run and I guess you only find out through experience.
Either way, good vibes.
Edited by Mad_Larkin (01/18/08 10:03 PM)
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Chemy
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#7899472 - 01/18/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
#7899846 - 01/18/08 11:42 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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yeah good luck i dont suggest booze and it either
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LuSiD9
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thanks for all the vibes guys!... I'm about 1 hour away from my ingestion, I decided I'm gonna buy a six pack of beer to accompany me through this, I know a lot of people see that as a 'disrespect' to psychedelics... And I can agree for the most part, but in my own experiences, a few beers before a major psychelic trip kinda relaxes you and puts you a nice mindframe to begin... and I like having a few once the peak is gone and I'm basicaly back to home base, very relaxing.
taking psychedelics while smashed/while getting smashed on booze is not a good idea however... I don't like to do this.
anyhoo, I'll be reporting back in a bit, tell you guys how I'm feeling and shit... might just start a new thread for teh actual experience.
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
#7902852 - 01/19/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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i don't consider amanita a psychedelic but good luck! beer may actually help you.
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LuSiD9
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#7902874 - 01/19/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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I'm chopping up some caps right now to make into tea, gonna start a new thread for this in a few minutes, I'll have some pics.
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LuSiD9
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: LuSiD9]
#7902881 - 01/19/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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these things stink kinda like piss
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