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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7887319 - 01/16/08 05:56 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Someones been listening to that Hawk fella too much. :rolleyes:

Seriously, LuSiD9 make sure you prepare the mushrooms properly or you'll end up with poinsoning from the ibotenic acid.


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #7887894 - 01/16/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

i was all about eating em raw before i heard of that guy. some websites talk about how siberian medicine men would take whole amanita and squeeze it into a ball and eat. well i wanted to do it but i kinda was mmmm and never got around to it until a couple months ago and it was amazing and as i said ill eat em that way from now on unless i want to cook it into a meal which isnt the most effective way but works fine. Being human life isnt really about doing things the most effective way its about having fun doing it


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7887996 - 01/16/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

So an alternative to cooking them to remove the harmful chemicals is to just simply bless them? You should make a tek on this.

/sarcasm


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: krypto2000]
    #7888131 - 01/16/08 12:50 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

lol who says those chemicals are so damn harmful any way. i think somewhere along the line scientist fucked up if you ever watched the sacred weeds video i think they were a bunch of stupid as scientist type fellows who deffinatly didnt grasp the depth of amanita at all and werent thruo in their research. so what ever. i find that ibotenic helps induce the trance regaurdless how they come in nature is just perfect with the right blance of chemicals. what exactly make you think ibotenic acid is so harmful cause theres a whole bunch of peoeple in the medical feild that will tell you that when you cook it those drugs too are harmful so  :nono:  unless you have extensive EXP in eating raw i dunno how you can question it that much i have extensive EXP in raw and cooked with many methods. Back when they grew on my campus i would have em all the time, something i dont recomend specaily with use of wormwood due to the heavy psychological effects.


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    #7888173 - 01/16/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Chemy]
    #7888384 - 01/16/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

lol


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7888775 - 01/16/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

:lol:


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7889528 - 01/16/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

FarFromHere said:
Naw dude.

Picking them properly has nothing to do with it.

You must dry them and heat them to convert the chemicals.




Everything I have read about the aminita suggests that the chemicals need to be converted. I mentioned this in another thread, but I saw a documentary that discussed shamanistic aminata usage amongst Siberians. Apparently Siberian shamans herded reindeer's because they were keen at finding and eating Amanitas (their favorite snack). Since the chemicals need to be converted, when one eats a raw aminata you will be poisoning yourself and not tripping properly at all (thus the nausea).

To prevent this, the shamans would drink the urine of the reindeer's which was converted into its traditional psychedelic form during the reindeer's digestion (eat the yellow snow, new meaning to dosing pets) or anyones digestion for that matter.

So my point is, if you do end up eating raw Amanita, do yourself a favor and save your urine. Or better yet, find out how to achieve the same end via tea or something.

I have never dosed amanita, so take what I say with a grain of salt


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Tattoo]
    #7890317 - 01/16/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

i heard the same thing about the reindeer. :smile: in siberia :snow:

the reindeer would eat them for "euphoric effects"

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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7890391 - 01/16/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I drank my own pee.

That's right.

I said it.


....it works. :grin:


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7890411 - 01/16/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

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I drank my own pee.

That's right.

I said it.


....it works. :grin:




I used to Insuffalate to clear my nasal passages, but that was when i was vegan.  Urine therapy works to clear lots of ailments


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: coulterIV]
    #7890599 - 01/16/08 09:57 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

ok.... yeah im ok on drinking piss its the only method i havent really done. tho i will still stand with fresh you just gota have the balls for it and it will treat you right if you think youll be really sick you might get really sick its a strong psychedelic mind can make you feel alot or not feel alot


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7891893 - 01/17/08 06:43 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I think that will be the last thread I bother to read on Aminitas.
Good luck with the new liver, by the way.


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
    #7892213 - 01/17/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

lol where have you read that it causes liver problems thats what i want to know! yes deadly amanita cause liver problems destroying angel and such, but those chemicals arnt in Amanita , And saying hmmm since its and amanita too it must not be healthy, you know god forbid those crazy motherfuckers that eat cesars amanita or any of the other edible amanitas raw they will have liver problems too.

saying the whole liver problem thing doesnt make much sense


http://inchem.org/documents/pims/fungi/pimg026.htm
thats a toxicology report


The most frequent cause of intoxication is the
consumption of Amanita muscaria by people who mistake it
and ignore its toxicity. Amanita muscaria might also be
ingested in order to obtain mind-altering effects. The
central nervous system is the major target organ

target organ as in the consider it only a neuro toxin



All parts of the fruit body of A. muscaria are toxic.
The isoxazoles are NOT distributed uniformly in the mushroom.
Most are detected in the cap of the fruit, then in the base,
with the smallest amount in the stalk (Lampe, 1978; Tsunoda
et al., 1993). Drying A. muscaria in the sun or with
heater caused an increase of muscimol in the mushroom, though
a lot of precursors of ibotenic acid was lost. Ibotenic acid
and muscimol in the mushroom were stable on storage under dry
or salt conditions (Benedict et al., 1966; Tsunoda et al.,
1993).
Whilst ibotenic acid and muscimol are rapidly released from
the mushrooms by cooking and boiling, these processes do not
eliminate all toxic substances.


Ibotenic acid and muscimol have similar
structure to glutamic acid and GABA

like how psilocybin is similar to seratonin



any who there is no evidance that suggests that either of the drugs arae harmful to the body other then maybe neurotransmitters
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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7892336 - 01/17/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

From http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas_info7.shtml

"There has been a great deal of confusing, contradictory and incorrect information published about the toxicity of Amanita muscaria and A. pantherina. This information has appeared in everything from well-respected encyclopedias and mushroom field guides to medical textbooks and poison control center handbooks."

"Because A. muscaria and A. pantherina belong to the genus Amanita, the same genus that contains two deadly, liver-toxic mushrooms (Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa), many people believe that the fly agaric mushrooms also contain liver toxins."

No wonder people used to be very serious about the liver shutting down, etc. If it's published in text books, it's supposed to be researched.

And yes, I tried them (baked), but they didn't do much for me. No big deal when you're used to actualy tripping from cubes. Add to that the fact that you can die from an accidental overdose. Ibonic acid is a powerful neurotoxin and brain lesioning agent. They aren't harmless.

I'll stick with the mushrooms that actually work. And that have an LD50 of "more than you can eat".

EDIT: Actual LD50 of psilocybin is 280mg/kg in rats, 12.5mg/kg in rabbits. Death from psilocybin intake alone is unknown at recreational or medicinal levels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
    #7892571 - 01/17/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Reports of amanita death are really rare. as its been said "Because A. muscaria and A. pantherina belong to the genus Amanita, the same genus that contains two deadly, liver-toxic mushrooms (Amanita phalloides and Amanita virosa), many people believe that the fly agaric mushrooms also contain liver toxins." and belifs always arnt true if they contained those toxins A it would of came up in a toxicology exam of the mushroom and B people would die you only need very little of those to kill Amatoxin or what ever they are called.
the lessioning was only found to occour btw when it was injected via needle into the brain so im not really worryed about that. accidental over dose is easy only if your taking panther amanita and eating em like candy for some reason i still hold to 1 amanita is all you ever need fresh or dried. 2 at most. might also add the deaths are in either extremely old people or little kids that think they are strawberries or something whose body cant handle much of anything and opiates would probally kill. I have heard of many black out cases where people buy a bag of em online and eat em all tho. and i have to say stupid fucking kids

any who Amanita can do stuff psilocybin mushrooms can dream of doing but honestly i prefer cyans, azures,or strong gyms to cubes. and work quite well one could assume maybe you just need to use biofeed back to retain the drugs and properly place em in the brain i dunno but they rock the lamas socks when used right. Theres a reason theres the people that say they are amazing and the people that dont.

i will leave with this last comment they are a holy sacrement and blessed unless you are using under those pretenses they tend not to work very well and they wont ever make you "high"


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7892620 - 01/17/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Well, I guess I just see it as getting buzzed from poisons. Some, like alcohol, have more positives than negatives (for the average person), but others, like sniffing glue, just aren't worth the damage it causes.

I could be wrong, but I'm happy with it.


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
    #7893429 - 01/17/08 03:20 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

what damage does amanita cause ? alcohol causes brain damage so does sniffing glue amanita dont niether do psilcybes or pot and a bunch of other things but glue can kill easy and alcohol can kill easy. Alot of people that are cool with psilocybe like to take a stance similar to those who arnt cool with psilocybes to amanita. which i dont understand each to their own neither are harmful to the body but i guess you can call em neuro toxin if you want to call it a toxin. but in that case i would consider painkillers neruo toxin and cannabis  cause they are equally neuro

shrug:crazy2: :shrug: maybe you just need a really good amanita EXP so you know you can have some amazing OBEs aswell as other things


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7893705 - 01/17/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Well, poisonings are rare, but they apparently do happen. ...Unless that is all misinformation. Which it actually could be considering the history of study on it.

In any case, I've gone through a couple of ounces of them (not all at once). At best, I got some delerium. Not my thing. But, if you enjoy them then I guess the decision is yours. I actually didn't think the taste was all that bad, really.


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Re: Amanita nausea... how bad? [Re: 04281969]
    #7896027 - 01/18/08 03:41 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

yeah the taste isnt that bad but i have to agree the best ones must be picked. also combination as its been said so many times with wormwood,sage,cannabis is a good way. cooked into cheese eggs or crushing a cap and mixing 1part cream 2 part amanita


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