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Quest of the Monotub
    #7885764 - 01/15/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Alright, I want to build a fully automated monotub,
without all the polyfill crap.

Here is a picture of a traditional mm monotub:



Is it a reasonable thought to incorporate two air wands

as shown in the poor mans pod:





To replace the polyfill in the monotub?


Also would it be wise to case spawn with straight coco coir?



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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7885799 - 01/15/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

for one you'd be pumping unfiltered air into the bin through those. second, even if it was filtered unless you have that timed well you will dry out your cakes, which is what i assume your growing. third, your pumping air into the chamber, where is it going to exit?

i personally would stick with fanning or going the polyfil route.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: LouisSkolnick]
    #7885868 - 01/15/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

no, you misunderstand me.

I'm looking at building a mono-tub, as shown by monstermitch,
with the plexiglass on top.

I just want to place an air wand on each side of the monotub.
I'd be using a dual line air pump and a tropi-caire humidifier
with the air wands.

The reason I'm wanting to do this is so I wouldn't have to
have the polyfill or the 2" holes.

I'd be spawning to hpoo from colonized rye.

Why isn't this plausible?


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7885906 - 01/15/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

its plausible.

the polyfil allows for venting air in / out. if your constantly pumping air in and have the lid on tight, where is it going to go?


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: LouisSkolnick]
    #7885938 - 01/15/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

You've got a point. Maybe if I affixed a filter patch to the mono-tub it would work. Fresh air isn't the problem, it's co2 expulsion,
so I'd say maybe a 2" filter patch towards the bottom of the tub on each side, but above the substrate level?


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: Shroom Empire]
    #7886198 - 01/15/08 09:53 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

go for it man, revolutionize your shit!


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: poot]
    #7886332 - 01/15/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I don't understand why you wouldn't just build a traditional monotub. Thats just seems like more work you would have to do, not counting having to dial in everything, for about the same results. Just set it and forget it. Not bashing or anything, I'm just curious what the benefits are. Either way, keep us updated and good luck.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: castle212]
    #7886395 - 01/15/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

To be honest, my fan is louder, than my air pump,
and I sleep in the same room that I grow shrooms.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: LouisSkolnick]
    #7886511 - 01/15/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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for one you'd be pumping unfiltered air into the bin through those. second, even if it was filtered unless you have that timed well you will dry out your cakes, which is what i assume your growing. third, your pumping air into the chamber, where is it going to exit?

i personally would stick with fanning or going the polyfil route.




what does it matter if hes pumping unfiltered air into his monotub? its not as if its suppose to be sterile. I dont know if I would go with this method though.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: donpatch]
    #7886534 - 01/15/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Tropic air humidifiers should be illegal. the water in them quickly goes bad and gave my early days of monotubbing nothing but trich trich trich and more trich with a shot of cobweb.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: donpatch]
    #7886557 - 01/15/08 11:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Ok, Are you up to a challenge? This is my tried and true totally automated answer to the monotub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7281980#7281980

Works like a charm. Totally silent.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886572 - 01/15/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Tropic air humidifiers should be illegal. the water in them quickly goes bad and gave my early days of monotubbing nothing but trich trich trich and more trich with a shot of cobweb.




Yes sir! I totally agree. I HATE TROPIC AIR HUMIDIFIERS!

Piece of crap my first fruiting chamber was based on one of those damn things. Waste of time and money.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7886621 - 01/15/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Shroomy numbero uno a man of ultrasonic's.  I love it i use gh's now but the ultrasonic is the key to fae and humidity.  :thumbup:


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7886647 - 01/15/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Ok, Are you up to a challenge? This is my tried and true totally automated answer to the monotub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7281980#7281980

Works like a charm. Totally silent.





Thanks for the link, because you just solved one of my problems with that post. I have a bunch of monotubs being built right now and was going to put plexiglass on top so they would be built good and be reuseable. Now you have given me an idea because I have a bunch of those small clear tubs in my storage building. I believe it will give me a little more air circulation in a traditional monotub also. Thanks again.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886665 - 01/15/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

i am i am i yam, or just a regular sweet potato?

dude.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886670 - 01/15/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Oh yea and casing with coir alone is a bad idea if you want and excellllllent casing method let me know.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886674 - 01/15/08 11:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

let us hear your excelllllent casing method guy and i will give you 5 of my shrooms.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: poot]
    #7886682 - 01/15/08 11:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

it's not mine it's Hc's but it works great. 15cups sifted peat moss 15cups verm 7 cups oyster shell flour 1.2 cups hydrated horticulture lime. Used my electronic ph tester came out at exactly 7.1 then hydrate till just less than field weight put in quart jars and can them like you would vegetables. I have some casing soil that im using now 6 months later and flushing beautifully. Snap son!!! lol


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886690 - 01/15/08 11:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

The reason you dont hydrate to total field weight is it will come out of the jars in big clumps instead of little ones. Once it's on the cake then mist heavily to bring it to field weight.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: castle212]
    #7886731 - 01/15/08 11:44 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Ok, Are you up to a challenge? This is my tried and true totally automated answer to the monotub.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7281980#7281980

Works like a charm. Totally silent.





Thanks for the link, because you just solved one of my problems with that post. I have a bunch of monotubs being built right now and was going to put plexiglass on top so they would be built good and be reuseable. Now you have given me an idea because I have a bunch of those small clear tubs in my storage building. I believe it will give me a little more air circulation in a traditional monotub also. Thanks again.




That is what makes this community awesome! You just made my day. I came up with that idea from so many other members ideas. Inovation is where it's at. I'm sure you'll expound on it and come up with your own tek. Please share, and I'm sure someone else will benefit from it!
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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: joshua m]
    #7886748 - 01/15/08 11:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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it's not mine it's Hc's but it works great. 15cups sifted peat moss 15cups verm 7 cups oyster shell flour 1.2 cups hydrated horticulture lime. Used my electronic ph tester came out at exactly 7.1 then hydrate till just less than field weight put in quart jars and can them like you would vegetables. I have some casing soil that im using now 6 months later and flushing beautifully. Snap son!!! lol




I never thought of canning it for future use! Amazing!


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: donpatch]
    #7887330 - 01/16/08 06:00 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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for one you'd be pumping unfiltered air into the bin through those. second, even if it was filtered unless you have that timed well you will dry out your cakes, which is what i assume your growing. third, your pumping air into the chamber, where is it going to exit?

i personally would stick with fanning or going the polyfil route.




what does it matter if hes pumping unfiltered air into his monotub? its not as if its suppose to be sterile. I dont know if I would go with this method though.




so your saying its a wise idea to pump unfiltered air into your "system"? yeah, ok.... good plan. pump all that dust and whatever else may be out there floating in the air into your grow space and i bet you will have a large percent of contams.

your best bet would be to get rid of your air pump and air stones and just drill some holes a little bit above the substrate level and fill them with polyfil.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7887432 - 01/16/08 07:11 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

ive gotten my first fruits in a monotub with just the caseing inside, no holes for ventilation, no perlite for humidity, and all u do is hand open it and fan it a few times then mist the inside without misting any fruits.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: wocka]
    #7887690 - 01/16/08 09:49 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Bubble sticks under the perlite work well, but I wouldn't expect the box to be maintenance free unless your pump moves a lot of air.

I originally had a couple of bubble sticks under wet perlite, covered with drained perlite. I think this is overkill. It eventually started to make a "flop, flop, flop, flop..." noise as the air passed through the perlite slurry. I've since drained all of the water out of the perlite. Now I just hear the fizz of air passing through the wet stones. This does raise the humidity, and it adds some fresh air. I still wouldn't totally neglect spraying and fanning. It should help them get through your work shift, though. Even though no tub is air tight, I'd still put some polyfill holes in.


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Re: Quest of the Monotub [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #8475247 - 06/02/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Tropic air humidifiers should be illegal. the water in them quickly goes bad and gave my early days of monotubbing nothing but trich trich trich and more trich with a shot of cobweb.




Yes sir! I totally agree. I HATE TROPIC AIR HUMIDIFIERS!

Piece of crap my first fruiting chamber was based on one of those damn things. Waste of time and money.





ive found the best to automate the FAE in a monotub is the Bubbleh tek (under humidification Technique), but omitting the air stone in the water, and just leaving the inflow air to enter the top of the lid just above the water, and out flow at the top, to lessen the RH (as opposed to the air stone submerged) and pump the humid air in to the tub, and made a series of small outflow holes along the bottom covered in synthetic filter discs.

i ran one between 2 tubs with a small air pump for slow air exchange

http://www.shroomery.org/9789/Teh-Fire-and-4get-Bubbleh-Humidifier


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