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Offlinehyper_dermic
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Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing
    #788394 - 07/31/02 01:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Ok i got a question for anyone who has done both cakes and caseings, and kept very good notes....

what is the avg yeild diffrence between cakes and caseings after all possible flushes?

say Mr. X has 3 PF style cakes, EQ strain, which he fruits in a terranium..... all goes well, and he gets Y amount of flushes (whatever avg is...)

now Mrs. X has 3 PF style cakes, EQ strain, that she throws into a coco coir caseing... all goes well and she gets Y amount of flushes (whatever avg is...)

so what would the avg diffrence in grams be?
how much better are caseings than cakes... (grams per cake)

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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #788406 - 07/31/02 01:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Too many variables to tell exactly, but casing will yeild MORE.

Throwing the broken up cakes into horse manure would be the healthiest yeild of all, which is what Miss Z should do!


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: TM]
    #788452 - 07/31/02 02:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes.... what he said.

Asking what an average yeild is, is like asking how wet your pants are if you piss in them. Too many variables.


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #788475 - 07/31/02 02:27 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Case=more work but better yield
Cakes=less work smaller yield


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Northernsoul]
    #788635 - 07/31/02 04:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Cakes: 5 g's dry ... maybe more if you try different things

Casings ....
mr.x did four casings with two cakes each of gt's and a top layer of coco coir
and the first flush on all four was 30 g's dry... so thats 7.5 g's dry each one ... but more teks you try the bigger yeilds


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #788637 - 07/31/02 04:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I've heard that both yield about the same amount as long as you keep the amount of substrate equal in both (one cake = casing with one cake, it's just that cakes take longer to produce the yields (gotta wait multiple flushes).

The casing will yield just as the same as a cake but you'll get your yield sooner because you'll have a bigger flush.

Theoretically...
1 cake = 20 grams dry in 5 flushes
1 casing with only one cake = 20 grams dry in 2-3 flushes.

Think about it... Why would a casing with the same amount of substrate as 1 cake produce more when both have the same amount of nutrients...... You'll just get your mushes faster with casings...


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: cdlove69]
    #788661 - 07/31/02 04:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I cant understand why anyone does cakes unless they have a Hydra-Pod. I mean casing is so damn easy, even for newbs just start with a straight vermiculite casing. Verm casings need no pasturization or anything you just wet the verm and case with it so why not?

Cakes yield less and its just a little more work for a casing, if you've gone far enough to have a fully colonized cake why stop there? Its like running a race and quiting 100' before the finish line, why?

Casing= good, cake = ok, cake+pod= good.
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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Fd3000]
    #788700 - 07/31/02 04:56 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

why do you need to get a pod for good cakes...

You can set up your own "pod" at home with a coolmist humidifier and geolite in any rubbermade container.


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: cdlove69]
    #788731 - 07/31/02 05:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I tried casing my first time and all went fine. Then I tried cakes and it sucked. I vote for case.


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: ]
    #788752 - 07/31/02 05:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

my robot does cakes and loves 'em!

He uses the following TEKS for his cakes: PF Tek, Dunk Tek, Inner Resevoir Tek, and straw tek all combined!

All this is in a coolmist setup in a 90 L terrerium. Produces around 4-8 grams dry per flush per cake.

Just gotta set everything up correctly and it works... Trust me Robot went through the disappointing times until It perfected its ways! Casings are to much work for me.


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: cdlove69]
    #788789 - 07/31/02 05:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yea well my robot has a 1 cake straight verm casing in a rubbermaid container, perlite humidification and fanning. Last flush was roughly 13 grams dry and thats one cake mind you.....

Do whatever you think you can do
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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Fd3000]
    #788792 - 07/31/02 05:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"PF Tek, Dunk Tek, Inner Resevoir Tek, and straw tek all combined!"

Isnt that way more work and maintanence than a casing for less fruits?


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Fd3000]
    #788805 - 07/31/02 05:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well, it seems like alot of work, but the dunk and making cakes is the only thing that really requires work. Robot uses the straw tek with inner resevoir tek so it can just inject water into the straw which feeds into the inner resevoir water is added to the straws every 4-9 days

Dunks are done every 2nd flush or whenever the cakes look dry...

Also, i prefer cakes... I think they are cleaner to deal with and take less room....


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Fd3000]
    #788831 - 07/31/02 06:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

lol! Good point FD3000! Again, LOL! A friend of mine tried cakes and it didn't work very well, but then again he didn't know about perlite at that point. However, after reading all this stuff about casings, he decided it was just an extra step and will be trying his first 2-cake casing using perlite humidification and fanning and straight verm casing. He has a second container just for fruiting, since it requires a drop in humidity.

He will also try using the original PF formula rather than the so-called max fruiting formula, since the latter seemed to be more prone to matting of the cakes. He buried them in his backyard, but since they were matted I suppose it won't work lol!


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: merk227]
    #789270 - 07/31/02 09:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

No matter what you say its common knowledge casings are higher yeilders that cakes, just look in the grow log forum if you dont belive me!

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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #789291 - 07/31/02 09:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I was also always under the impression that by casing, you create a mini enviorment (shell like) for your substrate that provides better humidity and more water, and since shrooms being 90% water that why by casing you can get larger fruits, and bigger flushes if all goes well. good luck!


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: Darkmoon]
    #789550 - 08/01/02 01:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

wow, This makes me wanna try out casing, rather then just fruiting the cakes...


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: hyper_dermic]
    #789631 - 08/01/02 03:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

casing much better ,bigger yields


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Re: Avg Yeild.... Cakes Vs Caseing [Re: twisted]
    #789722 - 08/01/02 05:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

not one caser posted any real data.
therein lies the whole problem.
they say it's common knowledge.
so no need to prove it.
bah.
it's all about food and water,
the shape of the substrate is largely irrelevant.
laid out in a tray, or formed into a cylinder [cake],
yield given optimum growing conditions will be equal.
now you want to talk real differences,
quit crumbling and casing cakes,
and move on to spawning bulk substrates like manure/compost/straw.
there a crumbled cake can give ounces,
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