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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: Love Cap]
    #7886672 - 01/15/08 11:30 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

first there was zero bongs, then there was one bong, now there are two halves of a bong


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yes they did sixtynine [Re: sleepy]
    #7886799 - 01/16/08 12:01 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

"0 = 2" - Crowley

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Adam followed Eve and thus they separated light from dark and fell from Truth. Damn those evil women and their ways. :cool: Everything was so much better when all was within reach. Oh my god you're funny as hell today, eh?



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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: dorkus]
    #7886812 - 01/16/08 12:04 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

infinity = everything

the number 3 = something

so the number 3 = infinity

the number 4 = something

so the number 4 = infinity

something = something

infinity = infinity

3=4


Edited by sleepy (01/16/08 12:05 AM)


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7886922 - 01/16/08 12:47 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Zero represents an empty set.




wrong wrong wrong

wrong

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Constructing surreal numbers

The basic idea behind the construction of surreal numbers is similar to Dedekind cuts. We construct new numbers by representing them with two sets of numbers, L and R, that approximate the new number; the set L contains a set of numbers below the new number and the set R contains a set of numbers above the new number. We will write such an approximation as { L | R }. We will pose no restrictions upon L and R except that each of the numbers in L should be smaller than any number in R. For example, { {1, 2} | {5, 8} } is a valid construction of a certain number between 2 and 5. (Which number exactly and why will be explained later on.) The sets are explicitly allowed to be empty. The informal interpretation of a pair { L | { } } will be "a number higher than any number in L", and of { { } | R } "a number lower than any number in R". This leads to the rule:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_numbers

but back to what i was saying

there are many zeros and and they are not all equal

just as the real numbers fill in the holes of the integers, there are yet other numbers (surreal for example) that fill in the real numbers

the real numbers seem solid, but there are holes, rather large ones

these holes are especially big when it comes to infinity and zero


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7886933 - 01/16/08 12:53 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

This reminds me of a documentary about four mathematicians that did groundbreaking work, but suffered severely from all the paradoxes and new questions that emerged.



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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: dorkus]
    #7887428 - 01/16/08 07:09 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

excellent video ! :thumbup:

adjust: You mean there are different 'strong' zeros, like there are different 'big' infinities ?

I also see zero as a placeholder. Like nothingness gives possibility to something, zero gives room for numbers. The interesting thing is, that zero looses all relations for what it stands when it becomes zero (zero cows, zero water, zero trees,... all the same zero ?)
An eliminator and the foundation of existence (by giving room to something) at the same time ?


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7888504 - 01/16/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Zero indicates what remains when all things are gone.
That make's zero a paradox.
Something to represent nothing is not nothing.
But that's just talk...

Zero is just an indication for the total absence of all things.
Infinity would then be just plain all!


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: Ahimsa]
    #7889649 - 01/16/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Isn't there a whole book about this guys? It's called 'zero' by Charles Seife


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: Love Cap]
    #7889690 - 01/16/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Thanks! I'll have to read that book! I just checked and it is available at my library. :smile:


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7889884 - 01/16/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

awesome! enjoy! :peace:


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Re: More fun with Zero [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7896013 - 01/18/08 03:25 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

im happy you liked it, friend.


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