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    #7883112 - 01/15/08 12:10 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7883140 - 01/15/08 12:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

The bigger and older have more mescaline. Un-grafted buttons are more potent then grafted. I would say the 4x 4.5-5 would be a better dose.


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    #7883176 - 01/15/08 12:20 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7883182 - 01/15/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

4-6 buttons should be a good mark.


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    #7883196 - 01/15/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7883225 - 01/15/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

It wont be too strong. Most people eat way more buttons than that and bigger buttons too.


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: soulcircus]
    #7883631 - 01/15/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Please don't kill any Lophophora.

If you want a peyote-like trip then ingest T. bridgesii monstrose, it's chemical make-up is very close to that of Lophophora, plus they are cheaper and not as rare as Lophophora.

If you MUST eat a Lophophora cactus then only eat one with some Trichocereus cactus added.


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7884270 - 01/15/08 04:10 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Any particular reason you're recommending the monstrose var.?


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: 04281969]
    #7884449 - 01/15/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I've heard from a number of people that's it's extremely powerful and has LSD or Ayahuasca like quailities....


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7884464 - 01/15/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

you betcha mescaline is fucking nuts, im on it right now in fact. shitttt...........


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #7884490 - 01/15/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Well that's interesting but T. bridgesii and Lophophora consist of only about 50% mescaline, that's only half of the fun chemicals they contain...

San Pedro and T. peruvianus also contain some but not all of the chemicals Lophophora and Bridgesii have...

I'm not saying Lophophora and T. bridgesii have the SAME chemicals, T. bridgesii is just closer to Lophophora in chemical make-up than any of the other Trichocereus cacti, T. bridgesii var. monstrose espeically so...


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7884783 - 01/15/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

You sure do say some crazy things. No cactus is 50% mescaline. Mescaline content of fresh, undried cactus is reported at 0.4 %.
Also, bridgesii doesn't have nearly the number or levels of accompanying alkaloids that peyote has.

Peyote contains: N-acetyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, alanine, anhalamine, anhalidine, anhalinine, anhalonidine (14% of the total alkaloids), anhalonine, anhalotine, 3,4-dihydroxy-5-methoxyphenethylamine, epinine, dopamine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, N-acetylanhalamine, N-acetylanhalonine, N-formylanhalamine, N-formylanhalinine, N-formylanhalonidine, N-formylanhalonine, N-formyl-O-methylanhalonidine, N-formyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, glycine (8% of the total alkaloids), hordenine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (1 to 5% of the total alkaloids), isoanhalamine, isoanhalonidine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, isoanhalidine, isopellotine, lophophorine (5% of the total alkaloids), 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N,N-dimethoxyphenethylamine, lophorine, lophotine iodide, mescaline (30% of the total alkaloids), mescaline citrimide, mescaline malaimide, mescaline maleimide, mescaline succinimide, isocitrimide lactone mescaline , N-acetylmescaline, N-formylmescaline, N-methylmescaline, mescalotam, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-methoxy-N-methyltyramine, 3-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltyramine, O-methylanhalonidine, O-methylpeyoxylic acid, O-methylpeyoruvic acid, N-methyltyramine, pellotine (17% of the total alkaloids), peyoglunal, peyoglutam, peyonine, peyophorine, peyouvic acid, peyotine iodide, peyoxylic acid, tyramine.

Bridgesii contains: mescaline, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_guide/cacti_guide2.shtml


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: 04281969]
    #7884861 - 01/15/08 06:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

i dont understand whats wrong with eating cultivated lophs? I'll go farther and say whats wrong with eating foraged peyote if you are respectful to the land?


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: 04281969]
    #7884881 - 01/15/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I think FarFromHere was saying that mescaline makes up 50% of the alkaloids contained in the cacti.


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: iBruiseBlue]
    #7884922 - 01/15/08 06:15 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Nooo...

The Cactus isn't 50% mescaline...

Out of all the chemicals in the cactus 50% of those chemicals are mescaline, the other 50% are other chemicals.


I don't think there is anything that horrible about eating Lophophora you have grown from seeds...other than that....I wouldn't do it.




Concerning Bridgesii monstrose-here


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7887749 - 01/16/08 10:18 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

That is hardly a "reference".
Like this: http://www.entheogen.com/content/view/58/2/

Monstrose should be more potent than typical bridgesii simply because it grows slower, but you really don't want to slice up a penis plant if you have one. Just use more regular bridgesii if that is what you want to use.

If you are looking to recreate the peyote feel, check into Stenocereus Ritterocereus hystrix. It could be BS, but it is the one currently being hyped as having similar content to peyote.


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Re: Peyote Dosage?? [Re: 04281969]
    #7887791 - 01/16/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

eat 10, then wait about 2 seconds and eat 10 more, then you wont have to post stupid dosage questions on here...you will know when you cant speak fluently that you are highly under the influence of mescaline!:eek:


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