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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7888758 - 01/16/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

well i could be wrong, but i think it has less to do with age and more to do with other factors of his mom's life.

and as for the rest of this discussion, i agree with johnm214 that drug laws might not be the most important issue in politics right now. it is an issue, and one that i'm very concerned about for certain reasons. but i also care about the economy, environment, and general wellbeing of the population.

taking a look at statistics, i'm only guessing but i say less than 50% of americans use drugs daily. i'm excluding prescription drugs, of course. it's probably more like 10%, and even that is shooting high. if someone could look it up it would be appreciated, i don't have the time right now.

anyways, would it not be a bit selfish to be preoccupied with an issue that only 10% of the population really care about? and whom a number of which would prefer drug laws staying the same, or even getting what i would call "worse".


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
    #7888769 - 01/16/08 03:48 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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Kinda hard to worry about foreign investment in the US economy when you're about to be rolled for sitting at the wrong table.




In my opinion, it's also kind of hard to be worried about where you're going to be scoring your next bag, or when you can light up your next joint, when so many horrible things are going on in the world right now. i'm not going to make a list of them at the moment, but i'm sure a lot of members on here would agree of their importance.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7888926 - 01/16/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

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BrAiN said:

When my mom found my pot stash I got in a lot of trouble.. back when I was 19. She started lecturing me and I was listening to all the crazy stuff she tried to pass off... She LITERALLY told me and believed that those "POT DEALERS" just "PRETENDED TO BE MY FRIENDS" and then they "LACE MY POT" with "HEROIN" to get me addicted.

"THat's how it works Brian. That's how drugs really work! I'm really disappointed in you."

I think that's what it's boiled down to... the fear in bullshit.




I'm 51 years old. I'm guessing your mother might be about my age, maybe a little older. I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone my age would have that attitude. Did she grow up in a convent?




She's 58... she was about 50 or 49 when we had this conversation. She grew up in the ghetto of DC. There wasn't much of a hippie scene there in the 60's when they were teenagers. My parents were pretty much bikers who drank a lot and raced cars... straight outta grease lightning.

And c'mon zappa.. just because you live in reality doesn't mean everyone else does. There was plenty of that mentality from the 30's and 40's where people where terrified of drugs because of their ignorance which spilled into the 50's and 60's... basically people who don't get out much and get all their information from drugs by watching TV and letting Reagan tell them what to think.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7888990 - 01/16/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Yeah, that's why I made the convent remark. She's a little older than I guessed but she was still in her twenties when almost the entire population of people just slightly younger than her were blazing away at levels not seen before nor since.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7890109 - 01/16/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Bah... potheads were still the minority even in the 60's.... plenty of people still stuck to the propoganda. And don't try to lecutre me like you were there. You'd 51. You were still wetting the bed during the late 60's. You came of age during the punk/disco area. Tell me about people dropping dead of heroin or coke overdoses in the late 70's and I'll take ya as an authority it :P


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
    #7891848 - 01/17/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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What do you all think of this line of reasoning...

It seems to me that the states that have the worse history of arresting and fining peaceful people for possessing/growing recreational drugs are invariably Republican?

I'm not trying to bash anybody out there but, if you're leaning Republican, how do you reconcile the party's stance against "illegal drugs" and your presence here at the Shroomery?

Personally, I agree with the Republican platform of a strong military and little government interference with buisness (and really with little government interference with my life.)

As a side note, I'm running a small experiment to see if I can actually take part in a reasonable, well intentioned, intellegent discussion on the internet.

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Off the top of my head, as far as pot is concerned..
Ohio and Tennessee have fairly lax laws about personal possession. Red states. Alabama's a lot more lax than you'd expect -- everyone down there smokes pot. Seriously, everyone. They just don't talk about it nor publicly approve, but privately? Holy shit.
Washington went blue for the presidential race, but aside from seattle it's a pretty red state. with pretty lax pot enforcement.
alaska? also red, also pretty permitting of pot.
arizona went red for the last presidential race -- but they also nearly legalized pot the other year for recreational use, iirc. i believe it was arizona and nevada that had that on their ballot, both were just a few percent away from passing.
oh, yeah, nevada went for bush too.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7891964 - 01/17/08 07:25 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

For a state that's pretty liberal (Maryland).... we have VERY tough laws for even small amounts of POT.

California, which tends to be very liberal as well, has extremely lax laws.

Maryland has very strict alcohol regulation (at least the counties within 20-30 miles of DC) while in California you can get a handle of Jack Daniels from the grocery store at midnight.

It's very strange. Maybe because the politicians that live in the DC burbs here in MD don't want the poor people around THEM to be able to get pot or alcohol but anywhere else and it's ok.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7892254 - 01/17/08 09:42 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Percent using drugs:
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/druguse/

fung_us among_us said:
"taking a look at statistics, i'm only guessing but i say less than 50% of americans use drugs daily. i'm excluding prescription drugs, of course. it's probably more like 10%, and even that is shooting high. if someone could look it up it would be appreciated, i don't have the time right now.

anyways, would it not be a bit selfish to be preoccupied with an issue that only 10% of the population really care about? and whom a number of which would prefer drug laws staying the same, or even getting what i would call "worse"."

I totally disagree...

1)I think you're saying that only people who use or *have used* drugs think changing direction in the drug policy is important.
I think a number of those who don't currently use are *very* interested. I'm one of them.

2)I still think these numbers are skewed...only 58% have ever used a drug?? I guess we're assuming that people will tell the truth about their drug usage to some stranger with a clipboard.

3)Also that National Drug Policy and incarceration rates, wrecked families, rehabilitation, etc etc don't affect the economy.
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5444
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS227US227&q=economic effects of War on Drugs


"In my opinion, it's also kind of hard to be worried about where you're going to be scoring your next bag, or when you can light up your next joint, when so many horrible things are going on in the world right now."

Actually I used to find that smoking a joint was a fine way to quit worrying about 'stuff' I had very little control over. As an inquiring mind (and one time college student) it was also a *great* relief from obsessive thinking/worrying.

Plus, it's not a contest of worry between "lighting up my next joint" and "horrible things going on in the world"...the reality of *getting thrown into prison* and possibly sodomized or beaten to a pulp, which are real possibilities, worries me far more than something happening on the other side of the world.
Sorry, but it's true.

"...i'm not going to make a list of them at the moment, but i'm sure a lot of members on here would agree of their importance."

AHA!
This is the question!
...are these issues truly more important to the average Shroomery Member?
That is the whole of my question!
:laugh:

Does being Republican equal being Anti-Drug
and if so...
How can someone who "is Republican" support the Shroomery?




What I seem to be reading is:

Republicans are usually (but not always) 'Anti-Drug'...

and that..

Yes you can support Republicans because other issues are more important to our happiness besides drug policies.

In other words...you accept the stupidity of Republican drug policy because the other, more important, policies of the Republican Party are right-on.

Which is fine, I'm trying not to judge just trying to understand.

So, Is this a good summary of the issue?

Interesting side note:What if we replace "anti-drug" with "Anti-Civil Liberties"? capitals and all.:smirk:

Okay, I haven't even had my f*&^%ng coffee yet...


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7892422 - 01/17/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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BrAiN said:
Bah... potheads were still the minority even in the 60's.... plenty of people still stuck to the propoganda. And don't try to lecutre me like you were there. You'd 51. You were still wetting the bed during the late 60's. You came of age during the punk/disco area. Tell me about people dropping dead of heroin or coke overdoses in the late 70's and I'll take ya as an authority it :P




The seventies were my decade. I would say well over half of the youth (16-25) were smoking by the second half. She had to have seen it happening, and except for making us stupid and lazy it clearly didn't kill many people. That's why I'm surprised she had that whole J Edgar Hoover thing going on. It was a rehash of 30 year old nonsense.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7892518 - 01/17/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Mushmonkey said:
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blackegg said:
What do you all think of this line of reasoning...

It seems to me that the states that have the worse history of arresting and fining peaceful people for possessing/growing recreational drugs are invariably Republican?

I'm not trying to bash anybody out there but, if you're leaning Republican, how do you reconcile the party's stance against "illegal drugs" and your presence here at the Shroomery?

Personally, I agree with the Republican platform of a strong military and little government interference with buisness (and really with little government interference with my life.)

As a side note, I'm running a small experiment to see if I can actually take part in a reasonable, well intentioned, intellegent discussion on the internet.

Thanks for reading...





Off the top of my head, as far as pot is concerned..
Ohio and Tennessee have fairly lax laws about personal possession. Red states. Alabama's a lot more lax than you'd expect -- everyone down there smokes pot. Seriously, everyone. They just don't talk about it nor publicly approve, but privately? Holy shit.
Washington went blue for the presidential race, but aside from seattle it's a pretty red state. with pretty lax pot enforcement.
alaska? also red, also pretty permitting of pot.
arizona went red for the last presidential race -- but they also nearly legalized pot the other year for recreational use, iirc. i believe it was arizona and nevada that had that on their ballot, both were just a few percent away from passing.
oh, yeah, nevada went for bush too.




i live in tenneesse and its not lax what so ever...
im on a years probation for the possession of rolling papers. thats it, no weed found or anything.
it was a year in jail but the sentence was suspended. if i had weed id be fucked. in jail for a year


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7892622 - 01/17/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
The seventies were my decade. I would say well over half of the youth (16-25) were smoking by the second half. She had to have seen it happening, and except for making us stupid and lazy it clearly didn't kill many people. That's why I'm surprised she had that whole J Edgar Hoover thing going on. It was a rehash of 30 year old nonsense.




Oh Booo.. I think your numbers are totally exaggerated. 50% of the youth in the late 70's? I call bullshit on that.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7893266 - 01/17/08 02:26 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Buddy, you can call anything you want.


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7893423 - 01/17/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Fine.. then I'm calling your wife a hhhhh,..h.h...... ahhhh

nevermind


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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: johnm214]
    #7893826 - 01/17/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)



Edited by Arp (01/17/08 05:01 PM)


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