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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
#7884407 - 01/15/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7884417 - 01/15/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yeah, dude, um I created a specific thread for this.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7884447 - 01/15/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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The republicans started it al mannnnnnn.. They started all the propaganda. They started prohibition and schedeling.
You know what I just thougt.... Its kinds like our government is playing good cop bad cop on I Us to make us conform......
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7884513 - 01/15/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I concur.
That and I think most psycho christians are against it for religious reasons as well.. and most psycho christians tend to be republicans.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7884677 - 01/15/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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How did it come about that mandatory minimum sentences for drug offenses were passed in 1986?
In 1986, the Democrats in Congress saw a political opportunity to outflank Republicans by "getting tough on drugs" after basketball star Len Bias died of a cocaine overdose. In the 1984 election the Republicans had successfully accused Democrats of being soft on crime. The most important Democratic political leader, House Speaker "Tip" O'Neill, was from Boston, MA. The Boston Celtics had signed Bias. During the July 4 congressional recess, O'Neill's constituents were so consumed with anger and dismay about Bias' death, O'Neill realized how powerful an anti-drug campaign would be........
Read more here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/snitch/primer/
The dope fiends on this forum are more responsible for draconian drug laws than anyone else.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: Luddite]
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7884938 - 01/15/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Wow, that Frontline link was excellent.
"It (the "War on Drugs") largely remains a bipartisan effort, although the more progressive voices in this area tend to be in the Democratic Party."
Hmmm. and yet I can't even *fathom* a Republican Presidential Candidate .admitting. to smoking marijuana and snorting coke being as far along the primaries as Obama and with this much approval.
And a Republican Mayor caught smoking crack? and being re-elected?? Fuggetaboutit!!
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7885431 - 01/15/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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repubs brandish themselves as the party that is tough on crime, and the party that keeps the God fearing citizens safe. drug dealing and possession are crimes. so Repubs generally push for harsher penalties b/c they feel that being tough on crime is a good talking point to get them, or keep them, employed as politicians.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7885492 - 01/15/08 07:56 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
EntheogenicPeace said:
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The dope fiends on this forum are more responsible for draconian drug laws than anyone else.
Care to elaborate on this... being as I, despite having used more psychoactive substances than most people can name, have yet to violate the rights of another person even once despite having used "drugs" 1000+ times to date?
I'd be surprised if he returns to elaborate... he's a hit and run artist usually, but maybe my post will spur a return.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: johnm214]
#7886166 - 01/15/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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"I'd be surprised if he returns to elaborate... he's a hit and run artist usually, but maybe my post will spur a return. "
That's kinda gives me the willies for some reason.
But anyways, so...um...getting at the heart of the matter: Why would anyone regularly visit and engage in friendly banter here at The Shroomery and yet defend Republicans?
I'm starting to think many, many more of the entities I encounter here are aligned with the DEA. Which is scary...not that I have anything to hide. No really. But then again...never underestimate the power of plain old fashioned ignorance.
Perhaps many people are just selling "shrooms" and consider themselves businessmen and rely on their local upbringing of conservatives? No, that doesn't makes sense either.
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7886193 - 01/15/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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BTW...what's up with the Reagan quote?
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7886325 - 01/15/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Oh come on... do you really believe everyone thinks drugs are the most important issue in politics today? I think its a civil rights issue and is VERY important, but others don't agree. People who do illegal drugs are pretty secure most of the time in knowing the authorities won't seek them out, and will only prosecute if they fall into their laps.
Not so w/ dealers and manufacturer's of course.
As for the Reagan quote... I think it is a great quote, and defines true conservatism- the kind I was taught about in middle/highschool. The kind you don't really see.
So there really is a place for republicans in a the drug user community. Those who pervert the traditional scope of the party to the post-nixon drug war hysteria are doing a disservice to the country and perhaps their party, but its really a aminor issue to most americans.
Most see "drugs are bad" and drugs are just another crime that needs to be prosecuted. People like feeling "those people" are worse then them. Drugs are a sort of accepted classism thesedays, allows people to poo poo on others not like them without seeming biggoted.
But I ask you, what's with you mentioning my quote?
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vThat's kinda gives me the willies for some reason.
and what does that mean?
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: johnm214]
#7886342 - 01/15/08 10:19 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I think another reason people are so judgemental when it comes to drugs is that most people believe all the old crazy stereotypes like how creepy guys go up to playgrounds all the times in trenchcoats to get as many 5 year olds addicted to smack as they can.
When my mom found my pot stash I got in a lot of trouble.. back when I was 19. She started lecturing me and I was listening to all the crazy stuff she tried to pass off... She LITERALLY told me and believed that those "POT DEALERS" just "PRETENDED TO BE MY FRIENDS" and then they "LACE MY POT" with "HEROIN" to get me addicted.
"THat's how it works Brian. That's how drugs really work! I'm really disappointed in you."
I think that's what it's boiled down to... the fear in bullshit.
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
#7886522 - 01/15/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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"But I ask you, what's with you mentioning my quote?" I thought maybe your quote was ironic.
But thanks for the closest I've come all day to a straighforward answer to the question.
Basically,that there are more important issues that you're voting about besides drug laws and you don't mind sending other people to jail, wrecking their families and lives as long as YOU don't get caught. 
But then again I guess that being immune to arrest would make it a pretty damn low priority on anyones list!
Of course I'm just being stupid here, just playing around really.
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7886535 - 01/15/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I'm definitely not trying to say there's no room for you at The Shroomery because you're conservative or whatever...I'm just a newbie here and besides...the point of this is to figure you out, not chase you off. I do wish you'd elaborate on your last post though because it genuinely seems a unique and interesting state of mind to me!
I guess the part we disagree on is whether "drug users" fear being arrested. As a former user I definitely feared being arrested. That fear is why I don't smoke now! 6 months in jail just isn't worth 'getting baked' at this point in my life.
P.S. My understanding is that this isn't a Drug Users Community...it's Drug Education Community!
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: blackegg]
#7886820 - 01/16/08 12:08 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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for one, don't worry about offending me, you having a low post count doesn't make your points any less valid either
but also, you seem to misunderstand me. I was saying that many don't view drug policy and the criminalizing of private matters to be an issue of primary importance. I also didn't say I support the status quo or that I accept it as an imperfect but functional system.
In fact I reject it, I email my congress critters and am a member of drug policy alliance. I vote libertarian in Presidential and gubernatorial races and vote for the candidate of my concious in other races. Now this may not have much practical effect, but it makes me feel better. I think the acts someone takes on private property should not be interfered with at all provided it doesn't implicate someone who doesn't or cannot consent to be involved. And acts on public property should only be criminalized if under strict scrutiny there is a rational basis for the restriction and it is the least restrictive means to address the offending behavior.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate. We probably agree, I'm just saying that almost everyone here on the political board feels as I do that drugs should be decriminalized and available to the public; where we differ is the importance of this issue
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: johnm214]
#7887487 - 01/16/08 07:44 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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It's entirely likely that those people who don't 'view drug policy and the criminalizing of private affairs as an issue of primary importance'...have not spent a month in jail for a few roaches. Kinda hard to worry about foreign investment in the US economy when you're about to be rolled for sitting at the wrong table.
So perhaps I'm a tad bit shell shocked growing up in Texas and all.

Anyways, it's something I never considered..a novel idea. thanks!
-------------------- 'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison
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Re: Republicans = Anti Recreational Drug Laws? [Re: BrAiN]
#7888607 - 01/16/08 03:17 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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When my mom found my pot stash I got in a lot of trouble.. back when I was 19. She started lecturing me and I was listening to all the crazy stuff she tried to pass off... She LITERALLY told me and believed that those "POT DEALERS" just "PRETENDED TO BE MY FRIENDS" and then they "LACE MY POT" with "HEROIN" to get me addicted.
"THat's how it works Brian. That's how drugs really work! I'm really disappointed in you."
I think that's what it's boiled down to... the fear in bullshit.
I'm 51 years old. I'm guessing your mother might be about my age, maybe a little older. I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone my age would have that attitude. Did she grow up in a convent?
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