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Apollyphelion
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SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight.
#7881921 - 01/15/08 06:55 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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The topic is a very touchy subject, a feeling I get from this DRUG SITE and from other Entheogenic sites. Even in the Psychedelic Experience Forum, it is almost as if we are all dancing around this bush, or beating around it, or beating off in proximity to this bush. The Bush is a metaphor for a Shaman, or Shamanism. Why isn't there threads out the ass covering, talking, or theorizing about this subject, especially in THIS forum, where psychedelics and Shamanism have an undeniable link?
It is fustrating, because as soon as someone starts to talk about Shamanism, some people get really defensive. Ever go to the Ayahuasca.com forums? Don't even act like you know anything about Shamanism there, until Actual Peruvian Shaman Cum is drizzling out the spiritual oriface of your choice. That is an attitude I surely get there. I mean the REAL Peruvian Shamans, not the FAKE ones. You can tell a fake shaman because although they reside in Peru, they usually have a thick New York accent, and usualy have a cab hidden in the bushes, Back To The Future 2 style. You didn't hear this from me though--all my information about Shamanism has to be second hand; Any first-hand information about Shamanism will cause me to be pretentious and arrogant, thus nullifying any chance my resume has of being accepted at Shaman School.
Hopefully, if you read this far, you have gotten a bitter taste in your mouth. It is NOT because I AM BITTER, but I think the subject has gotten a bit bitter. This must has to do with the fact that Shamnism is a western context is still being birthed. Let's metaphorically speak about the Subject of Shamanism in a Western Context as if it were a little girl blossoming into a woman. That is where I think it is right now. It has budding bosoms, gaining a fuller figure, but still prepubescent enough where you still feel bad if your were to fuck her, where you would still feel bad to talk about it, where you would still feel bad to feel like you know something, where you would still feel bad; You know, teenage angst. This bitch of a subject is desparatly trying to find it's social tampon, man-up, and be a self-serving go. It almost feels as if like we are in the process of who and what culture is willing to adopt this child. It's getting hard to be someone, but it all works out; It doesn't matter much to me.

Let me take you down the path of what a janitor does for society. I love Janitors, as they are (usually) really cool people, and have big hearts. The Toxic Avenger, Joe Dirt, Stanley The Janitor from UHF, The American Men and Woman who clean Porn Theatres and Bathhouses. This is pretty selfless work! Cleaning up semen and the occasional pussy excretions, cafetaria food made by dumbfuck 17 year olds who come to this site shouting "Shroomz 4 lyfe!" The selfless person who will clean up this thread and move it in a better/productive direction.
Essentially, I see a Shaman a lot like a Janitor-- a humble posisiton that is done, simply because it is engrained in us that it NEEDS to be done. The thing is though, not everyone or every place needs a Janitor. You may be a pretty good Janitor yourself, and able to clean up after yourself pretty well--occasionally a GREAT, ANCIENT, ARCHETYPAL awakening will take a dump in your mind, and a cleaning crew must be hired. A trip to Peru MIGHT be in order. I mean, Doctors go to Doctors, why wouldn't a Shaman go to another Shaman if the event called for it? You've probably heard of "warring shamans" who claim their brew is better than the other guys. So what the hell, is Pinesol or Bleach the right detergant! My loin cloth is dirty! I want it clean, I don't give a fuck about the chemical.

Different detergants do different things. A skilled Janitor will tell you this, that in a pinch, bleach WILL work, but the Pinesol lady is right about this one: Your spirit has a layer of grime only Ayahuasca can cure. However, to get back on track, some people may require a shaman or Janitor, some fuckin' dude who'll clean your shit. Terrance McKenna called it "a wipe of the harddrive" I call it using sanitary-napkins to wipe the crumbs off the table...or a feminine napkin-as I feel this subject is growing up, as stated earlier.
Some people may not need a Shaman (at all or very rarely.) They may be clean enough not to warrant a cleansing (usually these people are sexually fustrated, due to the extreme niceness and good attitudes they emanate, because now days girls are only interested in dicks), They may be a Shaman themselves (in which case, they hold the mop and sell mops, or sell the mopwater that you can drink, trip balls and clean yourself. Also, I am certain there are people that only feel clean when they feel what WE would call dirty. This would explain Heroin Junkies, Steel Mill Workers, Christian Preachers, People claiming to be Shamans, ect; If you are a Heroin Junkie Christian Preacher claiming to be a Shaman, PM me for my adress, because you probably have a lot of shit to say, in which case we can clean it up. In oter words, until Crystal G admits to having OR grows a dick (or admits to growing a dick) then I feel this subject can't progress any further. This article can, though.

There seems to be an attitude here that Shamans are Quantum, yo. Danny Pinchbeck talks about it, McKenna hints, and I'll tell you. (What I'm telling you though, you didn't hear it from me) The concept that there is no such thing as Duality. The Yin-Yang. The light that binds us all. Stupid little poems that make one thing another at the same time: "The dark is light, man" "To get high, you need to get low" Very easy to sound enlightened when your start saying the opposite of your comment, within the comment, while adding Kung-Fu Movie type voice inflection. There might be people who find this article Retardedly Brilliant, or Amazingly Retared; Depending on who your Shaman is (Mr. Clean or Little Miss Street Walker) they might say this article is either clean or dirty. Would the better Shaman be Little Mr. Clean Street Walker? How can WE be a Slut capabale of immaculate conception?
What is the fucking point of this article, Apollyphelion? All you did was talk about pussyjuice, detergents, and if anything intelligent was said it said, it was mispeled. Well the point is I think we seriosly need to let down this obvious front of respect towards the subject. Speak the fuck up. In my opinion, if you ever tripped, you know a little about Shamanism; If you ever read Don Juan, Ram Dass, Visted the Shroomery, read Redgreenvines and Yageman's post, you know something about shamanism. Is Shamanism ITSELF the piece of clay that can't be molded? Has this article done absolutley NOTHING for the subject, for this piece is now a Memento Mori, forever a reminder that my words are just a form of the source?
Let us go back to the metaphor of the concept of shamanism being a woman; Do we want to fuck her, gangbang her even, so after the collective pool of cum has coagulated, last loads are blown, who or what ever comes to clean this after orgy up, would that be the real Shaman (or Shawombman) Do we want to fuck her now, while she might be underage and traumatize her, and man her up: Life ain't all fun and games, bitch! Sometimes life rapes ya, sometimes a nigga gets shot, sometimes genetics gives you Huntington's Disease, Don't fucking touch that plate, it is hot. There are hot plates in this world. Shit happens, and we can only pass the word on the it must be cleaned up----Shit that doesn't matter if your are Mr. Clean or Or Junkie-Steal Shit From Your Friends Man--Shit so shitty it cannot be tolerated. Beyond defintion of what is acceptable. We have to tell people about the days you'll have that nobody told you you would have. The fact that we can spread the word that life throws shit at you, is that the BEST clean up job we can do? Maybe we are ALL shamans, all waiting to realize we are all on the same house-cleaning crew, our house being mother, slut, bitch, Hannah Montana woman girl Earth. Always in a state of womanhood, we are.
Oh yeah, back to my points (I might need an Editor-Shaman to clean up my works) This article was an attempt to seriously scrutinize the subject. I wanted to both say some stupid things (to incite fury to those who might know something, and tell me like it is; go ahead, tell me like it is, girl) say some stuff people might agree with, put some stuff morally and intellectually difficult topics in here to discuss. Also, at the very least this is JUST a thought process, just strengthing connections in my own brain (maybe yours) just building a lingual lego-sculpture, to be subjectively viewed for your pleasure. An attempt to create a though process that can be taken as serious and light-heartedly...maybe an attempt at some crude form of non-dualism?
Anyway, I am anxious to hear your thoughts about Shamanism--In other words, learn something. Hopefully this article offended or inspired someone to the point to say something, and I want to hear, because this whole article, you didn't hear from me. I have a lot to learn about Shamanism.

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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7882135 - 01/15/08 08:17 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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in a tribal society, the shaman is the pharmacy, doctor, priest and fortune teller. personally I would have been crushed in a tribal setting before I got to puberty, or certainly shortly afterwards. oh, maybe I would have been lucky and taken into the shaman's tent, though what would happen there might not be nice either.
HOWEVER
a simmilar role emerged from the caste system societies, simmilar but different, the GURU or teacher role.
These days, we don't find single persons who are credible compendia of pharmacy, medicine, religion and fortune telling. Our society is more stratified, and that can be a good thing, as it accommodates flux more naturally.
the caste system or something like it is what we live in now. finding one's guru can be a reasonable quest. usually it means finding one's self, and learning that the world and self form the best teacher.
you can work with your archetypes and your mental dimensions and all the magic that there ever was, by finding your teacher/guru/shaman/love in everything you do, including the ruminations about tribal yearnings.
I could say, "be a student of this".
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: redgreenvines]
#7882158 - 01/15/08 08:24 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Great addition, I DO HOPE you at least laughed, though! Are you a tough crowd, Redgreenvines;-)
I pretty much agree...
Now all we need is the rebuttals, jokes about jokes, non-sense, and more constuctive replies (like yours) to give the thread more flesh.
The answer lies not in the flesh?
Thank You, My Shaman.
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7882226 - 01/15/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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i am in such a dry mood today sent out a resume the bank the government & waiting for a contractor... this is tough medicine so dry you could cough!
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: redgreenvines]
#7882289 - 01/15/08 09:12 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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When I feel dry, it is usually a few hours before I collect enough moisture to blossom.
Cigarettes, Coffee and Weed for the win!;-)
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7882425 - 01/15/08 09:56 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Loved the post, and this is my attempt at adding to this thread. Of course I know about shamanism, mostly because of my trips. I think that's how religion started, but instead of listening to the shaman, dumb people started worshiping the shaman. I think I need a shaman, some cleaning up of the soul. At the same time, I'm wondering if I can take that journey myself and clean myself up? Also, you forgot to mention the possible shamans in the good ol' US of A.... peyote?
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7882466 - 01/15/08 10:10 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've heard the following distinction suggested: a shaman is a member of an indigenous culture, recognized as such by the tribe, whereas a shamanic *practitioner* is a Westerner who has freely adopted shamanic practices to our culture. There are some pros and cons to this approach; for one, the concept of shaman (as a general phenomenon spanning many global cultures) is itself a Western creation. Tribal cultures themselves consider their mode of spiritual healer as quite distinct from others.
There's another way to look at it: some people are interested in shamanism, whereas some are drawn irresistably, almost compelled, with the sense that refusal to follow would be dangerous or impossible. Westerners can be compelled (like anyone else) but lack a culturally established route to manifest this.
So there are two kinds of authenticity: cultural and inner/spiritual. As long as you're clear which one you're talking about, that will probably clear up most questionable situations. Except that spiritual authenticity is pretty hard to demonstrate regardless. I would gently suggest that spiritually authentic shamans are not that concerned with convincing others of their authenticity; that should mostly take care of itself.
Another point that is often overlooked is that there are two sides to shamanic practice. Shamans can't just go into the woods at midnight; they have to come back to the tribe and share what they've learned. A lot of people are having private experiences, which is invaluable and powerful, but I don't think it qualifies as shamanism. (Buddhism has a similar distinction, between those who attain enlightenment and are silent, and those who choose to teach others).
Just some thoughts, no answers. Thanks for the post.

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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: FollowTheMusic]
#7882520 - 01/15/08 10:22 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Me and the wife went on this website to meet other like minded couples to hang out with and found a couple that we liked. He was a NASA engineer and she was a pediatrician. We exchanged emails for a bit before we met up for sushi and drinks.
We were talking about each other's descriptions of self and the topic of mine came up. He said: "In one of your emails, you stated that you see yourself as a shaman. I really wasn't sure how to interpret that, so when I began reading about the practices of shamanism, I began to understand. I see a modern day shaman as someone who is humble, open-minded and non-judgemental"
The more I think about it, the more this seems to fit.
Humble - Having destroyed the ego several times over, a sense of understanding brings one to be humble to existence.
Open minded - Well, if you're going to munch on 5g of shrooms without knowing where they will take you, I'd have to say you need to be open minded.
Non-Judgemental - One of the first things that a shaman learns is that life is experience. Judgement hinders experiences.
I dunno, I just thought I would share.
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Fraggin]
#7882564 - 01/15/08 10:27 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Also, it's scary to think about modern day shamanism. it COULD be a wonderful thing, but in this day in time it could easily be turned into a selfish, money making act.
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Love Cap]
#7882723 - 01/15/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I think shamanism is very much alive today (in a sense that it's a lot of individuals, not one big guy running the show) Whether or not you'd say an individual who does the "self healing through entheogens" thing without the guidance of another person is really shamanism or not, well that's debatable I think, but the spirit is still there.
I feel that if somebody who practices this self healing, purging and cleaning of the soul, they are shamanic. I'd compare it to a christian who blieves in God and all, but doesn't go to church (for a good reason)If we're all shamanic, why don't we see a shaman? Because I don't know about you, but I don't exactly know any Shaman. That's a good reason not to "go to church."
But I digress... Main Point of the post: Yeah, shamanism is here, but almost exclusively at an individual level. Why don't we hear about it more on the shroomery? I've no idea. Maybe we're scared of people trampling on our beliefs? Pure speculation.
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: ElBandito]
#7882744 - 01/15/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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well if you've ever read anything from mushroomtrip or fireworks_god... then there's part of the reason people don't want to mention it. because people like them like to tear apart every spiritual belief or philosophy.
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Love Cap]
#7882844 - 01/15/08 11:18 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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being a shaman today means hiding and gathering information that most people would consider harmful. I don't consider myself a shaman, but I'm pretty sure there's one hiding somewhere inside my head. I gotta find that guy
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Primal Glitch]
#7882879 - 01/15/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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THATS IT! I think that all of our own knowledge and experiences should be shared with each other to achieve greater knowledge, that's why this forum has such potential!
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: Love Cap]
#7883329 - 01/15/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Another great fucking subject from you man.
You want to know something scary (and irrelevant)? My girlfriend is watching Emerill on TV. Then I saw him at the bottom of the post.  Firstly, let's look at the consensus (Wikipedia) on the definition of Shamanism...
---" Shamanism refers to a range of traditional beliefs and practices concerned with communication with the spirit world. There are many variations of shamanism throughout the world, though there are some beliefs that are shared by all forms of shamanism: * The spirits can play important roles in human lives. * The shaman can control and/or cooperate with the spirits for the community's benefit. * The spirits can be either good or bad. * Shamans engage various processes and techniques to incite trance; such as: singing, dancing, taking entheogens, meditating and drumming. * Animals play an important role, acting as omens and message-bearers, as well as representations of animal spirit guides. * The shaman's spirit leaves the body and enters into the supernatural world during certain tasks. * The shamans can treat illnesses or sickness. * Shamans are healers, gurus and magicians..." This is what Joseph Campbell, a famous professor who centered his attention around mythology and comparative religion, said about shamans: "The priest is the socially initiated, ceremonially inducted member of a recognized religious organization, where he holds a certain rank and functions as the tenant of an office that was held by others before him, while the shaman is one who, as a consequence of a personal psychological crisis, has gained a certain power of his own."---I've been interested in shamanism ever since my first "psychadelic experience" - I consider my first experience of sleep paralysis to be my first psychadelic experience, because it has a feeling about it that totally reminds me of tripping. If anyone doesnt know what it is.. it's just waking up before your brain is ready for you to - this chemical (forgot what it is) drips down your spinal cord to paralyze you so that you don't act out your dreams. Waking up in this state is EXTREMELY terrifying for the vast majority of people who experience it. People report either floating, or feeling like there is literally a ton of weight on their chest. Also, the more interesting aspect is the "shadow-figures" that almost all people see. (Anyone else think maybe DMT is responsible for these feelings? Both experiences seem to have coinciding factors, to an uncanny degree... I guess I'll find out when DMT finds me  ) I remember seeing one figure right over me.. and feeling as though it was holding me down and covering my mouth, and no matter how hard I tried to move or scream, it held me down. Then a black cloud formed over me.. and I broke out of it. I was 13, and after that I went straight to the Internet and opened a whole new world to myself that completely changed the way I view the world. However, you can utilize this to push the experience into the next level if you don't piss your pants.. astral projection! This is something I believe to be crucial to a shaman - the ability to project his or her consciousness "out" of their physical body, to roam on a dimensional plane(s) slightly above (or below?) this one, where spirits, and future and past events can be encountered. In my opinion, the most important role of shamanism is the spiritual communication aspect of their existence. However, I don't believe that shamans should be regarded as they are in tribal settings - as in, revering his personal power to a point of almost fear, when the fearing individual is just as capable if they had spent the time to sharpen the edges of their consciousness. I believe in personal shamanism, and I reeeeally don't care what all those uptight, arrogant, know-it-all asshole types (which you spoke of) have to say about it. I believe if a person honestly understands the implications of being a shaman, they are entirely capable of being considered one in my mind. I mean, who is really to judge who IS or ISN'T, unless they are obviously not doing it with pure intentions. These implications, as defined by me, are losing who you formally were and taking on a huge responsibility of understanding things that many people will never get. You have to understand that you as a person, is quite frivolous. Your potential is what matters - and only you can tap into it and let it blossom.
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Edited by manyc (01/15/08 12:59 PM)
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: manyc]
#7883467 - 01/15/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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"Psssst.. duality!" 
Great post, and very entertaining.
In the books by Carlos Castaneda, or the audio tapes, in which he meets the shaman Don Juan, we are introduced to a world in which the ordinary labels and concepts are pushed away for a more mystical understanding.
For example, Don Juan gives Carlos some kind of potion (we are not told exactly what this is) and Carlos has a "trip", in which he became a crow and flew for a distance and came back to the house.
Carlos asks Don Juan, "Was I dreaming? I know that human flight isn't possible."
Don Juan corrects him: "Human flight isn't like bird flight, but this is how we fly."
"Did I really become a crow?" "No. You can't think that way when you deal with the power of the allies. Such questions do not make sense. You did not change, nor did you stop being a man. There is something else..."
I believe this to be very relevant to lucid dreaming and astral projection. These are special states of non ordinary reality which challenge the ordinary rational mind. This seems to be the realm of the shaman.  
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Re: SHAMANISM--On the Pedestal, out of the Spotlight. [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7883499 - 01/15/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
These are special states of non ordinary reality which challenge the ordinary rational mind. This seems to be the realm of the shaman.  
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I just thought of starting a shaman thread - but since this one popped up I guess I'll just talk here.
Am I becoming a shaman? Has anybody else had similar experiences.
Over the past two years, I have undergone (and am still undergoing)a strange process. Besides the general "mind-opening, spiritual" experiences that people get on psychedelics, I feel changes in my body - both physically and energetically. At first I thought that I damaged and bent my energetical body. For example, I'd feel my hands not in my actual hands, but going perpendicular to my hands. I've also felt my chest to be hollow, broken, etc. These disturbing feelings soon took on a new form and instead of viewing this as damage to my body - I understood that this is just an expansion of myself, a breaking of the eggshell in which I was trapped. One particular aspect of this that kept getting stronger and still is getting stronger is the left palm of my hand. It spews energy. Really. It all started when me and my friend got stoned one day last year and I felt heat/energy/something tingly moving out my left palm. I asked my friend to touch my palm - and he couldn't do it, as soon as he made contact with my palm, he'd be "zapped" and jump back laughing. This persisted through the months and the intensity of my left palm when I got high only grew stronger. Then one day (two months ago) me and my friend took DXM (CCC). His energy was drained from taking E the night before, so when I was already coming up really hard - he said he wasn't going to trip and said that he just wanted to lie down and go to sleep, which he did. I didn't notice that he passed out for about 30 minutes; when I did notice, I tried to wake him but failed. I shook vehemently in vain. As far as I knew he was dead. At this realization, I felt this great moving emotion that I wasn't going to let him die. I wanted to give him my energy, my life force so he'd be alive again. I stood up and began dancing like shaman to whatever was playing at the time. Once I felt ready, I reached out and pressed my left palm between his right shoulder and his neck. A jolt of electricity went through me and my friend shot up from bed as if he got electrocuted. His first words were "Oh, I'm trippin' BALLS!" After this incident I really started to believe I was in the very initial stages of becoming something like a shaman, learning to channel energy and such. A week or two ago, I was walking around with another one of my friends (who doesn't smoke, drink or take any substance whatsoever). And as I told him about the incident, I asked him to touch my left palm with the two lead fingers of his right hand. After touching my palm, he said he felt something "jumpy" and tingly coming from my palm. We tried this with my right palm but nothing happened. This only strengthened my belief. This leads me to what happened yesterday. On Sunday night I took a box of Coricidin by myself and as I expected, I tripepd balls (i'm not gonna go into details). The day after, monday - yesterday, I went out in the morning to smoke some marijuana as I find it greatly helpful when I'm cracked out. I came back inside my house and decided to change my pants. So I went to my closet, and placed my hands on the clothing rack...
The rack swung back, and then forward, and for some reason I kept on swinging it back and forth, back and forth and this "insanity" started building up inside me. And as I continued to rock it back and forth, a song emerged from my mouth. A loud, wild, undescribable song. A song that was in a language not known to society. A language that is not known to me. A sudden idea struck me - I rushed over to my mp3 player and started to record what I was singing. But as soon as I turned it on, the song died away and I could no longer sing - I lost the rhythem and the strange language. I turned off the recorder and went back to the clothing rack, and began to rock it once more - and surely enough came that song again. This went on for atleast an hour. I moved around the house aimlessly, singing this song. In total, there were two songs I sang - the one at the clothing rack and another one, which was more "bouncy like" - the words sounded round and bouncy and were bouncing off the walls. Although I remember everything I did, I can no longer remember the rhythym of the songs or the language that I sang in.
I've often read about the distinct "shamanic singing" but I never ever ever Ever thought I'd actually experience it. I'm in awe. It was amazing. I look forward to what comes next. If anything interesting happens I'll definately post about it. Please share any similar experiences that you had.
Thankyou for your time
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: sky]
#7883873 - 01/15/08 03:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I actually have had a similar experience, and also seen another person experience this, though their dance was short-lived.
My experience was around when I first started smoking weed. I know it sounds hilarious... but I induced a trance by walking around my house when I was home alone... beat-boxing. The song went on for an hour or so, while I was walking around in an incredibly detached state. I still remember the rhythm though!! That's the greatest thing. I've been thinking of developing it into an entire song ever since then, but never have gotten around to it. I actually haven't even thought about it for a while though, until I read your story. Kinda gave me a flashback.
My former comrade's experience was very short, but it was obvious to me that he had entered into an entirely different state of mind in an instant. We were sitting in a big shed (it used to be our sanctuary.. now, sadly its just a drum kit surrounded by storage) tripping on acid, and he was rolling a blunt. We were listening to TOOL most likely (we were quintessential TOOLheads), when he turned around and did this little dance, with a look on his face that.. I can't describe. He wasn't there though. His dance, I can't even describe either! I can try...
He took a few steps, and while doing so his arms were flailing very flowingly, and his entire torso did a "worm" move which originated from his pelvis and made its way all the way to the top of his head. As he did this, I saw energy flying off of his arms. After that he looked at me kinda confused and we both had a good laugh.
Weird shit.
I definitely believe that we can control our body's subtle energies. Just sit, relax, and concentrate on feeling the energy flow back and forth, up and down... and it will take on its own rhythm once you get it goin.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: manyc]
#7884636 - 01/15/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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My best friend is the best shaman of all, he's level 70.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: g00ru]
#7884829 - 01/15/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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If it ain't pencil and paper RPG then that shit ain't real. Games nigga, games!
When will kids learn that dice, paper and pencils is all you need to properly induce all the sensations of feeling awesome.
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thank you for your story, manyc. I am glad that others have had similar experiences.
And guruu, I got a 70 lock on Sisters of Elune, bring it anytime you want Name's Solaris.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: sky]
#7885052 - 01/15/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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heh, dorks!
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Well, as a way to try to relate back to everything on the thread, Tripping Tueday contained a awesomely awkward moment, created by yours truly.
I had just basically got done playing in a meaningful jam session with a fellow musician, and essentially felt some of the greatest waves of joy imaginable. Like 4 eva!!!!<---Not being serious because that ain't the point.
I had to counter act this wave of joy somewhow.
I'm like Monk (the T.V. show O.C.D.) Totally O.C.D. when it comes to conversation.
HAD to counteract those waves of Joy, and the opening was there, HAD to HAD to do it. If you know me, it is in my practice to say things as off the wall AS possible.
Well anyway, pretty much after the Joy subsided, I said:
Drum Roll: "And violently beat the shit out of Helen Killer"
So, so perfect. Perfect Yang, or whatever.
Had to find the antithesis of this joy I felt for some reason. A very real moment of basically saying "sorry, I'm happy"
A non-dualistic perspective perhaps, coming from some deep ingrained rhythm my thought processes must go through, as a stream runs.
Eitherway, I don't really care. However, I'm willing to bet my friends think I'm absolutley off the wall, for real now, and it might require a conversational masterpiece to convince them otherwise.
Totally picturing them going in their heads "Apollyphelion HAS issues...something wrong with that kid" in the tones of voices that aren't light hearted--"and violently beat the shit out of Helen Keller"
I think it is something, though. Truly a du champe masterpiece. Really ain't that bad, when you look at OTD, but context is everything, and that was truly a non-duality at it's finest and worst.
"and violently beat the shit out of helen keller" Frame it, homeys! It's a word statue!
I have Do YOU really care at this point? names!
And thank you for all the replies, again, it was even more waves of joy reading them to conclude Tripping Tuesday, however since sense in my mind, nothing is going to beat that Helen Keller schtick, I'm not going to say I'm sorry for it. Thanks guys.
Tripping Tuesdays, PsychoNOT out.
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i wanna trip with this dude.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Love Cap] 1
#7885751 - 01/15/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Yah I have always felt very interested and draw towards shamanism and spirituality. I really don't know a whole lot about it but since I started experimenting in psychadelics I feel as if I have a better understanding. I've never taken more than a couple grams of shrooms because I haven't really had a good environment to do so.
I think though that a shaman is one who travels to the other dimensions to bring back bits of knowledge to share with his fellow man. Similar in the way an astronaut goes into space to bring back knowledge that just cannot be learned here in/on the basic earth that we know.
The astronaut uses the spaceship as his vehicle. The Shaman uses entheogens and other psychadelics. He goes into a place where few men tread and touches the face of God.
I don't really know if thats a good analogy or not but its just what I kind of thought.
I don't know if i'm drawn to be a shaman or not. I don't have immediate access to intense psychadelics like DMT or Peyote (or even shrooms or acid most of the time). I do know that I love helping people and teaching people in order to help them learn new things.
Awesome thread!
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Dude, I totally see what you ment. You seemed spaced out, from a simple angle. It "looked" alright, and not going all out worked. Love, Your brother/babysitter
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: nmajon]
#7887571 - 01/16/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Shit so shitty it cannot be tolerated. Beyond defintion of what is acceptable. We have to tell people about the days you'll have that nobody told you you would have. The fact that we can spread the word that life throws shit at you, is that the BEST clean up job we can do? Maybe we are ALL shamans, all waiting to realize we are all on the same house-cleaning crew, our house being mother, slut, bitch, Hannah Montana woman girl Earth. Always in a state of womanhood, we are.
A-fucking-men. My first shroom trip 6+ months ago showed me that "shit sucked" in both the world, and to my complete surprise: myself. I'm going on my second serious trip this weekend and this gave me something to think about. I know I'm ready to go back, but I don't want to be lost in this world again after experiencing the herald "connection with everything, maannn." I get a feeling that someone that writes about shamans knows exactly what I'm talking about
What can we do though? Occasionally, I get into "the zone" when I'm high and feel good vibes. It's like I can get close to that psychedelic state, but not exactly in. The desires, intent, resentment, and all the other shitty parts of the human experience are set aside. I feel bittersweet about this state. I'm finally free enough to be myself, but it feels like most people aren't there.
Like on salvia, everything seems futile. How can we stop a generation of people caught up in the world? Girls that use their bodies to be liked, people with no meaning, and then the realization that we are so fucked as to even consider commenting on other people. I feel like throwing up my hands and hoping that I can pull something from this next trip.
I've been going on for a while now without any structure, so I'll close this baby up. I'm someone that recently found what I would like to become on a psychedelic trip. It is a long process, but I've slowly been kicking out the old, fearful self and trying to become who I need to be. When I get there, will there be anyone else? When I'm alone with another person (I attribute this to tripping exclusively with one other person), I can be real with them and most of the time they can be real with me. It's when groups of people come in that the social games are too hard to resist. God damn, it feels so futile and I know I've lost sight of what I want to be. It's right in front of me, but I can't see it.
I'm just another one of the world's fucked up children. Got anything for me?
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: arpnuke]
#7887594 - 01/16/08 09:01 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Dude, we all suck. I suck, you suck, the next jackass to post on my thread sucks. My struggle is unique, but so is the next guys, to quote[paraphrase] R. Crumb. We all have stories or experiences that I'm sure could make any human cry, or at least feel umcomfortable; We all can humble one another I'm sure--Be a Shaman to one another.
I'm so fucked up, I often feel like I'm holding my shit together with duct tape (Gender Identity issues, for instance), but I like to keep my shit behind me, where I think it belongs most of the time, despite how bad it might smell. Regret I guess would be turning around to smell the CrapFlowers.
Try a new perspective on tripping: Whatever your trip was, pretend that it came out of you, like vomit. Try hard to detach yourself from the trip. Act like the trip was always there; a statue you can examine. Then choose whether the statue belongs on a trophy stand, toy box, knick knack drawer, or behind yourself where you can continue to go forward, lest ye turn around and smell the crap roses.
Experiences are more than gold; That shit ain't cheap.
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I just got back from a Math lecture. The walk leading up to the lecture was far more interesting than the actual lecture. I saw so many different kinds of people. Some anxious as fuck, some obviously depressed, others caught up in the fun of being in a group, and those sorority girls that you can just see that dick is on their minds. I didn't want to be there with all of the trees, buildings, and people.
So many eyes and so many thoughts behind them. Some people are bold enough to look you in the eyes on the sidewalk, but most people without a group or a friend to walk with are out there roaming, if you know what I mean. I've got this line from an Of Montreal song stuck in my mind, "We weren't meant for this world, but I don't think I'd want to meet someone that was." As much as humans would like to wall themselves in and put up a facade, I can't help but feel that people wonder and are curious about other people. I can't play the damn games though when the intentions behind them seem glaringly obvious. To put it in perspective, it's the kind of low frustration that you get when someone calls looking for something from you rather than to talk with you. The whole thing seems insincere and horribly wrong. Are we just a global group of people worshiping buildings, fear, and sex?
I'm pretty confused right now. Society disgusts me, but I owe everything to it. It's as though I'm cursing the very air I'm breathing. As a white male burdened with every advantage of western life, it feels so right to shut up and do. The buildings at my university all seem to take on Ayn Rand-esque qualities, but I'm no longer in awe of the might of the human spirit. Buildings and organizations are nothing, really. Nature and true connections between humans feels eternal. I feel like I'm getting pulled down by society.
I'm putting a lot out there about myself for some random thread on the shroomery. I hope it comes off as honest rather than an attempt at garnering the attention of people I will never meet. I feel broken, lost, and like giving up but on another level I know that I can never give up now that I've begun.
Maybe you can find solace in the idea that there are other people out there thinking about stuff, just like yourself.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: arpnuke]
#7887922 - 01/16/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Everything is sound, and therefore all sound is mantra, and therefore someone may intone a healing mantra, especially when the rest have forgotten, some thoughts, vibrations, some sounds, chanted, some songs sung, to the elements, to all the minds which are also vibrating, some sounds are the very essence of living and their intoning is a remembrance of a primal goodness which is like a friend's hand, from the center of the sun and moon, rememberance of primal goodness that is life. Someone must remember for all the rest who have forgotten how. So that it can go on....
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