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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7885000 - 01/15/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

thank you for your story, manyc. I am glad that others have had similar experiences.

And guruu, I got a 70 lock on Sisters of Elune, bring it anytime you want :grin:  Name's Solaris.


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: sky]
    #7885052 - 01/15/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

heh, dorks!


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7885176 - 01/15/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Well, as a way to try to relate back to everything on the thread, Tripping Tueday contained a awesomely awkward moment, created by yours truly.

I had just basically got done playing in a meaningful jam session with a fellow musician, and essentially felt some of the greatest waves of joy imaginable. Like 4 eva!!!!<---Not being serious because that ain't the point.

I had to counter act this wave of joy somewhow.

I'm like Monk (the T.V. show O.C.D.) Totally O.C.D. when it comes to conversation.

HAD to counteract those waves of Joy, and the opening was there, HAD to HAD to do it. If you know me, it is in my practice to say things as off the wall AS possible.

Well anyway, pretty much after the Joy subsided, I said:

Drum Roll: "And violently beat the shit out of Helen Killer"

So, so perfect. Perfect Yang, or whatever.

Had to find the antithesis of this joy I felt for some reason. A very real moment of basically saying "sorry, I'm happy"

A non-dualistic perspective perhaps, coming from some deep ingrained rhythm my thought processes must go through, as a stream runs.

Eitherway, I don't really care. However, I'm willing to bet my friends think I'm absolutley off the wall, for real now, and it might require a conversational masterpiece to convince them otherwise.

Totally picturing them going in their heads "Apollyphelion HAS issues...something wrong with that kid" in the tones of voices that aren't light hearted--"and violently beat the shit out of Helen Keller"

I think it is something, though. Truly a du champe masterpiece. Really ain't that bad, when you look at OTD, but context is everything, and that was truly a non-duality at it's finest and worst.

"and violently beat the shit out of helen keller" Frame it, homeys! It's a word statue!

I have Do YOU really care at this point? names!

And thank you for all the replies, again, it was even more waves of joy reading them to conclude Tripping Tuesday, however since sense in my mind, nothing is going to beat that Helen Keller schtick, I'm not going to say I'm sorry for it. Thanks guys.

Tripping Tuesdays, PsychoNOT out.


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7885213 - 01/15/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

i wanna trip with this dude. :mushroom2:


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Love Cap] * 1
    #7885751 - 01/15/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Yah I have always felt very interested and draw towards shamanism and spirituality. I really don't know a whole lot about it but since I started experimenting in psychadelics I feel as if I have a better understanding. I've never taken more than a couple grams of shrooms because I haven't really had a good environment to do so.

I think though that a shaman is one who travels to the other dimensions to bring back bits of knowledge to share with his fellow man. Similar in the way an astronaut goes into space to bring back knowledge that just cannot be learned here in/on the basic earth that we know.

The astronaut uses the spaceship as his vehicle. The Shaman uses entheogens and other psychadelics. He goes into a place where few men tread and touches the face of God.

I don't really know if thats a good analogy or not but its just what I kind of thought.

I don't know if i'm drawn to be a shaman or not. I don't have immediate access to intense psychadelics like DMT or Peyote (or even shrooms or acid most of the time). I do know that I love helping people and teaching people in order to help them learn new things.

Awesome thread!


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7887395 - 01/16/08 06:48 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Dude, I totally see what you ment. You seemed spaced out, from a simple angle. It "looked" alright, and not going all out worked.
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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: nmajon]
    #7887571 - 01/16/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Shit so shitty it cannot be tolerated. Beyond defintion of what is acceptable. We have to tell people about the days you'll have that nobody told you you would have. The fact that we can spread the word that life throws shit at you, is that the BEST clean up job we can do? Maybe we are ALL shamans, all waiting to realize we are all on the same house-cleaning crew, our house being mother, slut, bitch, Hannah Montana woman girl Earth. Always in a state of womanhood, we are.


A-fucking-men. My first shroom trip 6+ months ago showed me that "shit sucked" in both the world, and to my complete surprise: myself. I'm going on my second serious trip this weekend and this gave me something to think about. I know I'm ready to go back, but I don't want to be lost in this world again after experiencing the herald "connection with everything, maannn." I get a feeling that someone that writes about shamans knows exactly what I'm talking about

What can we do though? Occasionally, I get into "the zone" when I'm high and feel good vibes. It's like I can get close to that psychedelic state, but not exactly in. The desires, intent, resentment, and all the other shitty parts of the human experience are set aside. I feel bittersweet about this state. I'm finally free enough to be myself, but it feels like most people aren't there.

Like on salvia, everything seems futile. How can we stop a generation of people caught up in the world? Girls that use their bodies to be liked, people with no meaning, and then the realization that we are so fucked as to even consider commenting on other people. I feel like throwing up my hands and hoping that I can pull something from this next trip.

I've been going on for a while now without any structure, so I'll close this baby up. I'm someone that recently found what I would like to become on a psychedelic trip. It is a long process, but I've slowly been kicking out the old, fearful self and trying to become who I need to be. When I get there, will there be anyone else? When I'm alone with another person (I attribute this to tripping exclusively with one other person), I can be real with them and most of the time they can be real with me. It's when groups of people come in that the social games are too hard to resist. God damn, it feels so futile and I know I've lost sight of what I want to be. It's right in front of me, but I can't see it.

I'm just another one of the world's fucked up children. Got anything for me?


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: arpnuke]
    #7887594 - 01/16/08 09:01 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Dude, we all suck. I suck, you suck, the next jackass to post on my thread sucks. My struggle is unique, but so is the next guys, to quote[paraphrase] R. Crumb. We all have stories or experiences that I'm sure could make any human cry, or at least feel umcomfortable; We all can humble one another I'm sure--Be a Shaman to one another.

I'm so fucked up, I often feel like I'm holding my shit together with duct tape (Gender Identity issues, for instance), but I like to keep my shit behind me, where I think it belongs most of the time, despite how bad it might smell. Regret I guess would be turning around to smell the CrapFlowers.

Try a new perspective on tripping: Whatever your trip was, pretend that it came out of you, like vomit. Try hard to detach yourself from the trip. Act like the trip was always there; a statue you can examine. Then choose whether the statue belongs on a trophy stand, toy box, knick knack drawer, or behind yourself where you can continue
to go forward, lest ye turn around and smell the crap roses.

Experiences are more than gold; That shit ain't cheap.


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7887835 - 01/16/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I just got back from a Math lecture. The walk leading up to the lecture was far more interesting than the actual lecture. I saw so many different kinds of people. Some anxious as fuck, some obviously depressed, others caught up in the fun of being in a group, and those sorority girls that you can just see that dick is on their minds. I didn't want to be there with all of the trees, buildings, and people.

So many eyes and so many thoughts behind them. Some people are bold enough to look you in the eyes on the sidewalk, but most people without a group or a friend to walk with are out there roaming, if you know what I mean. I've got this line from an Of Montreal song stuck in my mind, "We weren't meant for this world, but I don't think I'd want to meet someone that was." As much as humans would like to wall themselves in and put up a facade, I can't help but feel that people wonder and are curious about other people. I can't play the damn games though when the intentions behind them seem glaringly obvious. To put it in perspective, it's the kind of low frustration that you get when someone calls looking for something from you rather than to talk with you. The whole thing seems insincere and horribly wrong. Are we just a global group of people worshiping buildings, fear, and sex?

I'm pretty confused right now. Society disgusts me, but I owe everything to it. It's as though I'm cursing the very air I'm breathing. As a white male burdened with every advantage of western life, it feels so right to shut up and do. The buildings at my university all seem to take on Ayn Rand-esque qualities, but I'm no longer in awe of the might of the human spirit. Buildings and organizations are nothing, really. Nature and true connections between humans feels eternal. I feel like I'm getting pulled down by society.

I'm putting a lot out there about myself for some random thread on the shroomery. I hope it comes off as honest rather than an attempt at garnering the attention of people I will never meet. I feel broken, lost, and like giving up but on another level I know that I can never give up now that I've begun.

Maybe you can find solace in the idea that there are other people out there thinking about stuff, just like yourself.


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Re: Becoming a Shaman? [Re: arpnuke]
    #7887922 - 01/16/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Everything is sound, and therefore all sound is mantra, and therefore someone may intone a healing mantra, especially when the rest have forgotten, some thoughts, vibrations, some sounds, chanted, some songs sung, to the elements, to all the minds which are also vibrating, some sounds are the very essence of living and their intoning is a remembrance of a primal goodness which is like a friend's hand, from the center of the sun and moon, rememberance of primal goodness that is life. Someone must remember for all the rest who have forgotten how. So that it can go on....


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