Home | Community | Message Board

MRCA Tyroler Gluckspilze
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5  [ show all ]
OfflineTurntableJunky
Ethno Grower
Male

Registered: 04/26/07
Posts: 4,742
Loc: Sydney
Last seen: 15 years, 9 months
If you believe in god.
    #7881846 - 01/15/08 06:15 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMiddlemanM

Registered: 07/11/99
Posts: 8,399
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7881856 - 01/15/08 06:21 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?

An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRylmonkey
Former Master ofThe RX-7
Male


Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 505
Last seen: 11 years, 2 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7881857 - 01/15/08 06:21 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

how do you know god didn't create evolution.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRylmonkey
Former Master ofThe RX-7
Male


Registered: 07/24/05
Posts: 505
Last seen: 11 years, 2 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7881865 - 01/15/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

yeh the pattern of life it's precariousness and resiliency are too damn  perfect to be some chaotic random force, there must be some infallable force behind it all, or maybe the pattern will just repeat it self into self-redestruction.  :royalrainbow:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineidreamofpiggies
I'm Da Moon!!!
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/15/07
Posts: 163
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7881870 - 01/15/08 06:27 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

TurntableJunky said:
you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.




You're a fool and a half!!! Believing in God doesn't mean that you are instantly some sort of close minded dumb fuck!!

If you look at the world closely enough everything can be explained through a sience of the soul.


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. - marianne williamson

What I do nobody notices... Till it stops - Garry Talent on the Bass.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMiddlemanM

Registered: 07/11/99
Posts: 8,399
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: idreamofpiggies]
    #7881877 - 01/15/08 06:32 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Can we have a discussion without calling each other names? ...Please?  :hippie:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineidreamofpiggies
I'm Da Moon!!!
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/15/07
Posts: 163
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Middleman]
    #7881883 - 01/15/08 06:39 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
Can we have a discussion without calling each other names? ...Please?  :hippie:




Good call, my bad.


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. - marianne williamson

What I do nobody notices... Till it stops - Garry Talent on the Bass.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFloop
Stranger

Registered: 11/28/06
Posts: 179
Last seen: 14 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Middleman]
    #7881928 - 01/15/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?

An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.




You can sure use logic in this case. If you believe in both God and evolution you can say: "God created the universe and evolution is true" which is either true or not true.

In the theory of evolution it doesn't matter wether there is a God or not tho'. Many scientist do wonder about the fact that people think life needs to be designed but that God is just eternal and isn't designed by anything.
You might then as well say that the universe itself is eternal and not designed by anything, especially since evolution shows life doesn't need a designer.


--------------------
"The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion. Herein lies the germ of all art and all true science. Anyone to whom this feeling is alien, who is no longer capable of wonderment and lives in a state of fear is a dead man. To know that what is impenatrable for us really exists and manifests itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, whose gross forms alone are intelligible to our poor faculties - this knowledge, this feeling ... that is the core of the true religious sent iment. In this sense, and in this sense alone, I rank myself amoung profoundly religious men."
-Albert Einstein


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMiddlemanM

Registered: 07/11/99
Posts: 8,399
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Floop]
    #7881940 - 01/15/08 07:08 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Floop said:
Quote:

Middleman said:
What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?

An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.




You can sure use logic in this case. If you believe in both God and evolution you can say: "God created the universe and evolution is true" which is either true or not true.




My point was that there are other kinds of logic besides either / or...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleJackthaTripper
MSME!
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/29/07
Posts: 2,494
Loc: Mind Exploration Flag
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7882912 - 01/15/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

TurntableJunky said:
If you believe in god you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.





If you believe the two have to be mutually exclusive you must be retarded :rolleyes:


--------------------


Come on breakthrough with me...such wonders terrify the soul...it's real no need to question...knowledge infiltrates the host


Edited by JackthaTripper (01/16/08 03:31 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRoseM
Devil's Advocate
Female User Gallery


Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 22,518
Loc: Mod not God Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 6 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: JackthaTripper]
    #7883222 - 01/15/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Humans are gullible...

Keep the name calling in OTD. Please.

Man, there's a LOT of P&S n00bs in here lately.

Check the rules before you post.


--------------------
Fiddlesticks.



Edited by Rose (01/15/08 01:43 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rose]
    #7883597 - 01/15/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

You should be a mod.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7883601 - 01/15/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
You should be a mod.




I concur :thumbup:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7883620 - 01/15/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I think he was a mod but got fired for stealing pencils and paperclips.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7883654 - 01/15/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Jesus would forgive him


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnarleaf
Teotihualto
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 156
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7883656 - 01/15/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Rylmonkey said:
yeh the pattern of life it's precariousness and resiliency are too damn  perfect to be some chaotic random force, there must be some infallable force behind it all, or maybe the pattern will just repeat it self into self-redestruction.  :royalrainbow:




Perfection of life is not exactly true, we have had ice ages and still today have natural disasters that we still cannot control. It might seem perfect because so many species have died out and we are naturally selected to our environment.


Edited by Anarleaf (01/15/08 02:22 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7883663 - 01/15/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Disasters for who?
They obviously serve to the health of this planet. :shrug:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnarleaf
Teotihualto
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 156
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7883700 - 01/15/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Disasters for who?
They obviously serve to the health of this planet. :shrug:




That's actually the point, they help to better the planet, not humans. Since some theists claim that we were created, wiping out people would be detrimental.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7883724 - 01/15/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Oh is that so?
And were we created? :sherlock:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleit stars saddam
Satan

Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 15,571
Loc: Spahn Ranch
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
    #7883729 - 01/15/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Rylmonkey said:
how do you know god didn't create evolution.




I don't know that he didn't, but how do you know that Satan didn't create evolution by ejaculating into the womb of the cosmic Marie Antoinette? And if either of those scenarios are true, we are forced to ask "who created God? who created the guy that created God? who created the guy that created the guy that created God?" Do you see the kind of logical chaos that this type of thinking creates?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnarleaf
Teotihualto
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 156
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7883738 - 01/15/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Yes, when the sperm penetrated the egg.

I can't say either way but arguing that the world is too perfect isn't a decent argument for the existence of god.


Edited by Anarleaf (01/15/08 02:41 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7883746 - 01/15/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

How does that relate to god?


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnarleaf
Teotihualto
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 156
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7883780 - 01/15/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Changed my post after you read it
"I can't say either way but arguing that the world is too perfect isn't a decent argument for the existence of god."


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7883811 - 01/15/08 02:53 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Also arguing about the existence of disasters is not really the best argument for his absence.
By that I am merely trying to point out a situation of insufficiency, not to find an argument that would imply the existence of god.


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnarleaf
Teotihualto
 User Gallery


Registered: 01/19/07
Posts: 156
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7884087 - 01/15/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I was actually referring to the other poster who speculated so. But my point was to mention disasters and perfection, and that there is no way of stating if there is or isn't a god with that argument.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
    #7884230 - 01/15/08 04:03 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Agreed


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7884291 - 01/15/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

ever thought of the universe being infinite? with no creator or beginning? then the idea of god could simply be the essence of life itself...??


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrewwyann
Slayer of ticks
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 4,077
Loc: Atlantis
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7884694 - 01/15/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

My definition of god IS evolution.

For me, they are both the exact same thing. God and evolution work together.

I kind of take what you wrote as more "how can you believe that god used intelligent design over evolution?".

If that isn't what you meant, then I hope you understand that there are millions of different gods to billions of different people.


--------------------


Anyone need a glass pipe? : http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002435158931

Love powerfully :peace::heart::peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7884775 - 01/15/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

yeah drew!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineidreamofpiggies
I'm Da Moon!!!
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/15/07
Posts: 163
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7885261 - 01/15/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

it stars saddam said:
Quote:

Rylmonkey said:
how do you know god didn't create evolution.




I don't know that he didn't, but how do you know that Satan didn't create evolution by ejaculating into the womb of the cosmic Marie Antoinette? And if either of those scenarios are true, we are forced to ask "who created God? who created the guy that created God? who created the guy that created the guy that created God?" Do you see the kind of logical chaos that this type of thinking creates?




Your're right, that type of thinking is very irrational. That's the problem, the human mind has such a hard time grasping the idea of infinite that it chooses instead to think of everything as being "created".

I believe that every single plain of existance is infinate in that it just exists, that includes both this world and the highest level of pure spirit (or God).


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. - marianne williamson

What I do nobody notices... Till it stops - Garry Talent on the Bass.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: idreamofpiggies]
    #7885275 - 01/15/08 07:17 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

just what I was trying to say...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCubie
Moderator
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/11/08
Posts: 8,840
Loc: Down the rabbit hole...
Last seen: 11 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7885336 - 01/15/08 07:29 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I think the christan god is retarded...
I do believe in some kind of god. Ie. Energy some type of network in which all is connected. Karma. N shit.

Maybe the universe bring a lot like how a computer works and god is the central brain. And this computer is running endless calculations like... Us, earth, gravity.... EVERYTHING. Kinds like that fold thingy shroomery is involved in


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Cubie]
    #7885373 - 01/15/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

yeah, i can agree with your view of god too.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7885374 - 01/15/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

God is Love.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7885406 - 01/15/08 07:40 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

i can def. agree with that as well :heartpump:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrewwyann
Slayer of ticks
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 4,077
Loc: Atlantis
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Cubie]
    #7885439 - 01/15/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Cubie said:
I think the christan god is retarded...
I do believe in some kind of god. Ie. Energy some type of network in which all is connected. Karma. N shit.

Maybe the universe bring a lot like how a computer works and god is the central brain. And this computer is running endless calculations like... Us, earth, gravity.... EVERYTHING. Kinds like that fold thingy shroomery is involved in




Not every christian believes in the same god...

My grandmother greatly surprised me by having a very close definition for god as I. She is a devout christian.

She told me, "I believe god, is whatever created us. Whatever we are a part of. Whatever turned that big bang into us, by one way or another, I'll call god."


--------------------


Anyone need a glass pipe? : http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002435158931

Love powerfully :peace::heart::peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCubie
Moderator
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/11/08
Posts: 8,840
Loc: Down the rabbit hole...
Last seen: 11 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7885444 - 01/15/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Love is in fact energy. It takes energy to produce love. Energy doesn't die only changes. And would explain Satan. Since really you can only truely hate someone you loved.
Energy is a perfect defination for god.
Its probley the only thing that always was. Always will be. Its everywhere. It created the universe. (big bang...dark energy)
Just my theroys though.
I respect everyones opinion


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7885446 - 01/15/08 07:48 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

thats cool, but christians go by the bible right? and in the bible doesn't it talk about god being the heavenly father and all that BS?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineDrewwyann
Slayer of ticks
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/30/06
Posts: 4,077
Loc: Atlantis
Last seen: 10 years, 3 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7885452 - 01/15/08 07:50 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Heavenly father yes, but you can interpret that any way you want to.

A father, is something that created something. It doesn't have to be a man. It can be an entity.

Just because it seems like it should mean man in the sky, doesn't mean it does for all christians. There are many interpretations.


--------------------


Anyone need a glass pipe? : http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002435158931

Love powerfully :peace::heart::peace:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7885550 - 01/15/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

This is where things get bogged down. People use different words for the same thing, and being that we communicate using these words there's no real way to tell. Even a definition requires the use of more words, and more subjectivity. Consensus definitions are an illusion, and that applies to God more than anything.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7885602 - 01/15/08 08:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

wow, this is what i was trying to explain in another forum, to another shroomerite, who doesn't get any concepts that aren't defined or associated with logic.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemushbaby
woodswalker
Female User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/30/06
Posts: 2,645
Loc: in my own lil world
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7887450 - 01/16/08 07:22 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

TurntableJunky said:
you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.




Some (not just me) think it's possible that man was created with the ability to adapt and evolve as needed for survival. Other creatures also evolve or die. That to me is what "intelligent design" signifies.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBlueCoyote
Beyond
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: mushbaby]
    #7887500 - 01/16/08 07:53 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Evolution is the process of designing :wink:
[and vice versa :eek:]


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7887726 - 01/16/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Evolution is design without intelligence. Some shit works, some shit don't, and over billions of years the things that work compound into a variety of shapes and forms.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineigwna
The Cap'n
Male

Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 8,016
Loc: New England, USA
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7887826 - 01/16/08 10:47 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

it stars saddam said:
Quote:

Rylmonkey said:
how do you know god didn't create evolution.




I don't know that he didn't, but how do you know that Satan didn't create evolution by ejaculating into the womb of the cosmic Marie Antoinette? And if either of those scenarios are true, we are forced to ask "who created God? who created the guy that created God? who created the guy that created the guy that created God?" Do you see the kind of logical chaos that this type of thinking creates?




maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.


--------------------
I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBlueCoyote
Beyond
Male User Gallery


Registered: 05/07/04
Posts: 6,697
Loc: Between
Last seen: 3 years, 16 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7887839 - 01/16/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Evolution is design without intelligence. Some shit works, some shit don't, and over billions of years the things that work compound into a variety of shapes and forms.



ahahaa :smile: You don't think evolution is intelligent ? :grin:
I think the same processes work for us in our minds (try and error) and build huge parts of our consciousness, which we call 'intelligent' (if trial and error comes to some solutions).


--------------------
Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
......................................................
"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: igwna]
    #7888145 - 01/16/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:



maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.





I think the way our universe and everything on earth, the way our environment in every aspect is perfect for us to live in... IS VERY complex... so it seems like it IS that complex, I mean it obviously not simple enough for man to come up with!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebackfromthedead
Activated


Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 3,592
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7888169 - 01/16/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

What if the mind of God is in a human head somewhere?? Or every human head?? Given the right stimulus.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7888182 - 01/16/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

what if? i don't know, but i think that's ridiculous, because man can't even comprehend our own minds.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebackfromthedead
Activated


Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 3,592
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7888193 - 01/16/08 01:09 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

GOD IS A PERSON.  That's what the Illuminati want to hide.

&feature=related

:lol::blazed:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7888241 - 01/16/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Haha. That guy! Well, I can see what he means, but I don't think he's exactly saying that god is a person?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinebackfromthedead
Activated


Registered: 03/10/07
Posts: 3,592
Last seen: 15 years, 6 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7888263 - 01/16/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

I think its him, silly.:lol:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7888274 - 01/16/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy! :grin:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAhimsa
µdose
Male


Registered: 01/11/07
Posts: 1,827
Last seen: 4 years, 1 month
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7888458 - 01/16/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Is god not the identity of that that has us as a means by which it can know itself? (In the sense of the universe made us so it can know itself type of thing?)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelearningtofly
Ancient Aliens
Male


Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 15,105
Loc: Out of this world
Last seen: 12 years, 5 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Ahimsa]
    #7888653 - 01/16/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

To the OP, shame on you.

Neither God nor evolution can be "proven" they're both just theories. It is just as ridiculous to say that a big man far away created everything than it is to say that from nothing and random occurances spawned life. If it wasn't random then something had some sort of hand it, wouldn't it? Which would lead towards a God. Who says they're can't be both a God and evolution, Deism is the thought that God built the universe and then left alone.

What if God is the universe? infinite, etc. I mean are bacteria aware that they are just a tiny spec on us? Could it be possible that we are just a tiny spec on God?

Either way, the Human brain cannot grasp the concept of nothing or infinite.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineidreamofpiggies
I'm Da Moon!!!
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/15/07
Posts: 163
Loc: Victoria, Australia
Last seen: 14 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7888952 - 01/16/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Love Cap said:
oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy! :grin:



God couldn't be like any one GUY as he is all of us, we are all spirit and apart of the eternal light which we choose to call "God".

That's how i see it anyway. I just can't believe that god is some person sitting up in the clouds dictating what's happening on earth...


--------------------
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. - marianne williamson

What I do nobody notices... Till it stops - Garry Talent on the Bass.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: idreamofpiggies]
    #7889021 - 01/16/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

So the whole idea of evolution is things get spontaneously MORE ordered with time. This is just plain absurd. Things get more DISORDERED with time.

The complexity of the living things on this earth could never just by chance come into existence. Now that is true faith, to believe in negative entropy and the complexity of life from random process.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: fivepointer]
    #7889060 - 01/16/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

No, that is not the "whole idea of evolution."  :rolleyes:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_25

Quote:

The complexity of the living things on this earth could never just by chance come into existence




But God could?  Who created God, if something cannot come from nothing?


Edited by Veritas (01/16/08 04:49 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnastomosisJihad
Hominid
Male


Registered: 01/01/08
Posts: 700
Loc: Ohio
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: TurntableJunky]
    #7889515 - 01/16/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

TurntableJunky said:
you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.




I posted this a week or so ago, but since you asked:

Quote:

I can think of plenty of good reasons for people to question Darwinian dogmatism.

Foremost is the origin of life problem. The standard evolutionary story posits that life emerged from a prebiotic soup of naturally formed organic molecules in some sunlit pound or lagoon in a reducing atmosphere billions of years ago, shortly after the oceans formed. This is extremely unlikely for several reasons.

- Life uses only left handed isomers of amino acids and right handed isomers of nucleic acids, but any known natural process produces these isomers in equal quantities. Even if enough of the correct amino acids were produced to build a self replicating protein, the supposed starting point of life, the odds of getting enough of the left handed isomers together in one spot without interference from the right handed isomers would be very long in a naturally racemic solution.


- In an aqueous solution polypeptide chains (proteins) tend to break apart, not come together.

- The same ultraviolet radiation and lightning strikes posited as an energy source for synthesizing amino acids tend to break down proteins, not synthesize them.

- All experiments that have successfully synthesized amino acids from gasses in a simulated reducing atmosphere have also produced other acids in far greater concentrations, including large quantities of formic acid, the active component in bee and ant venom, which is very effective at breaking down proteins.

- There is no evidence that Earth's atmosphere was ever reducing to begin with. The reducing atmosphere hypothesis is based solely on the ability of such an atmosphere to spontaneously generate organic molecules.

- Even using large organic molecules derived from living things and state of the art laboratories to simulate a wide spectrum of possible initial conditions, scientists have not been able to synthesize life from non-life.


From a purely chemical point of view, it would take a miracle for life to emerge from non-life in the shallow waters of early earth. This, however, is a miracle that Neo-Darwinists hold unquestioned while ridiculing creationists for their silly belief in miracles.

Secondly, there is the speciation problem. According to the Darwinian theory, new species form by a process of mutation and natural selection. Natural selection only ever removes genes, never adding them. The fittest organisms survive while the less fit are weeded out, thereby reducing the depth of the gene pool. There is plenty of room for variation within a genome, and new phenotypes can come about as a result of environmental pressures and natural selection, but a speciation event requires new genes not present in the current species' gene-pool.


The Neo-Darwinists claim that new genes arise through random mutations, providing the building blocks for new species. But, beneficial mutation events are very rare. A random beneficial mutation is analogous to improving a computer program by deleting a line of its code and replacing it with blind strokes on the keyboard. Such beneficial mutations can certainly happen, but not very often. Most mutations are deleterious, reducing the fitness of the organism. Given the spectacular diversity of life on earth, and the astronomical number of base pair combinations required to encode that life, it would be nothing short of a miracle for all those genes to come about though random beneficial mutations. There simply is not enough time since Earth formed for random beneficial mutations to account for the millions of species alive today. It would be a miracle if it actually happened that way. The time problem becomes especially acute when considering the short time frame in which all the major animal phyla emerged during the Cambrian explosion.

Speciation by mutation and natural selection is another dogma many biologists expect folks to accept without question, or else be labeled as ignorant and unscientific, but their story is no more scientific than the creation account given in Genesis; both are highly unlikely.


At this point the only rigorously honest position to take on the question of how all the different forms of life arose on the Earth is to say we really don't know. Dogmatic adherence to myth, be it creation myth or evolution myth, will not move us toward finding out how it really happened.






politics


--------------------
come together


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: idreamofpiggies]
    #7889559 - 01/16/08 06:31 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

idreamofpiggies said:
Quote:

Love Cap said:
oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy! :grin:



God couldn't be like any one GUY as he is all of us, we are all spirit and apart of the eternal light which we choose to call "God".

That's how i see it anyway. I just can't believe that god is some person sitting up in the clouds dictating what's happening on earth...




ok dude, if you actually READ my previous posts, I don't actually think that god is any type of person. I don't think god has a personality... if you read this whole thread I'm pretty sure I explained what I think god is.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineigwna
The Cap'n
Male

Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 8,016
Loc: New England, USA
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7890506 - 01/16/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Quote:

Love Cap said:
Quote:



maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.





I think the way our universe and everything on earth, the way our environment in every aspect is perfect for us to live in... IS VERY complex... so it seems like it IS that complex, I mean it obviously not simple enough for man to come up with!




could be the sheer simplicity of it all that makes it so complex.

simple being, every just is.

(only an idea)


--------------------
I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: igwna]
    #7890579 - 01/16/08 09:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

could be true. but do YOU understand the whole network of things? do you know everything about biology, chemistry, logic, physics, etc? I don't, it's not so simple for me. All of that has to do with life, so therefor life is just as complex and most likely more than all of those subjects... IMO


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineigwna
The Cap'n
Male

Registered: 06/19/07
Posts: 8,016
Loc: New England, USA
Last seen: 9 years, 5 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7890622 - 01/16/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 16 days ago)

no i definitally understand where you're coming from.

just the way debates in philosophy go, despite what i believe or agree with more i always defend the other side. or atleast the side thats the underdog or something like that.
to better learn how others feel and use their ideas to broaden mine.

back to our conversation, maybe the whole network of things is really that simple but when we looked under a microscope it couldn't just show nothing at all so thus biology, chemistry, logic, physics and the whole works were created.


and for the record, i don't understand much of all that jazz at all.


--------------------
I don't believe in cops, bosses, or politicians. Some call that anarchism. I call it having a fucking heart that beats.



Edited by igwna (01/16/08 10:01 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7891476 - 01/17/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Didn't you know? The only god atheists believe in is the Judeo-Christian god. Interesting, huh?


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 01:05 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleit stars saddam
Satan

Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 15,571
Loc: Spahn Ranch
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7891491 - 01/17/08 01:07 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
Didn't you know? The only god atheists believe in is the Judeo-Christian god. Interesting, huh?




Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? Are you serious? Was that supposed to be clever? Is this some form of surrealistic stream of consciousness writing? Your comment leaves me with more questions than answers.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7891511 - 01/17/08 01:11 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

90% of atheists I know base their atheism on the implausibility of God as described in the Bible. Therefore, the basis for their denial of God, their belief system, is the Bible.

There are, naturally, exceptions. But too often I see "I don't believe in God because according to the Bible, God is good and created everything but evil exists in the world." Or some other logical fallacy derived from biblical inconsistencies. These people strike me as Christians in denial.

The very OP we reply to is an example. According to the OP, belief in God necessarily entails a disbelief of evolution. Therefore, TurntableJunkie has a clear idea of what he perceives as God, and is very eager to refute that God.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 01:25 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleit stars saddam
Satan

Registered: 05/19/05
Posts: 15,571
Loc: Spahn Ranch
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7891594 - 01/17/08 01:32 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Tchan909 said:
90% of atheists I know base their atheism on the implausibility of God as described in the Bible.




Oh, where to start? Okay, I know. How about you provide me with a reputable source/link that will back that statistic?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: it stars saddam]
    #7891601 - 01/17/08 01:34 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

It's not a statistic. It's just a personal observation. That was implied by my use of the phrase, "90% of atheists I know." If you have statistics to the contrary, feel free to share.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 01:36 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7891613 - 01/17/08 01:42 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Atheists refute the dominating local religion's version of God, whether it be Allah, Shiva, Zeus or Yahweh. Certainly this is not too difficult to grok.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7891618 - 01/17/08 01:45 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Well, it certainly separates atheists into two very different camps... there are the atheists who are most concerned with differentiating themselves from their local dogmatic peers, and those who have a logical, sound basis for the denial of God, regardless of their ego-driven idea of where they fit in with their local culture. You'll find the latter camp is very lonely.


Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 01:51 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7891646 - 01/17/08 02:08 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

You'll find the latter camp is very lonely.



This is solely your projection.

Quote:

those who have a logical, sound basis for the denial of God,



This point has been covered thousands of times here and need not be repeated yet again.

Quote:

regardless of their ego-driven id



One can always tell that another's position is weak when they feel the need to add unsubstantiated emotional drivel as part of an argument.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7891650 - 01/17/08 02:10 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I did say "idea," not "id." And I used that language simply to elaborate on my point for those who couldn't follow, using a popular construction of human consciousness. You can ignore the word "ego-driven" if you like, and you'll find my point stands.

I'll admit it's pretty much my own opinion that the latter camp is very lonely, but I'd like to see refutation if you can offer it.

Please don't project emotionality on me.

EDIT: after lengthy consideration of the discussion, I realized we agree. You say atheists reject their local conception of God, and I also say atheists reject their local conception of God. Are we bickering meaninglessly?


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 02:42 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: learningtofly]
    #7891779 - 01/17/08 04:45 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Neither God nor evolution can be "proven" they're both just theories.

God is not a theory. For something to qualify as a theory, it must be falsifiable, among other things. This is why Intelligent Design is not a theory either.

Please educate yourself --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDiploidM
Cuban


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/09/03
Posts: 19,274
Loc: Rabbit Hole
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: fivepointer]
    #7891783 - 01/17/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Things get more DISORDERED with time.

That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.

How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?

Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.

Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't. :sad:


--------------------
Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCubie
Moderator
Male


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/11/08
Posts: 8,840
Loc: Down the rabbit hole...
Last seen: 11 years, 8 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Diploid]
    #7892464 - 01/17/08 10:57 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Things get more DISORDERED with time.

That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.

How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?

Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.

Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't. :sad:




whoop whoop show um diploid


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Diploid]
    #7892498 - 01/17/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Things get more DISORDERED with time.

That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.

How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?

Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.

Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't. :sad:




Well when all your information comes from "God", how can you expect it to be correct? And of course to disobey and learn would put one in jeopardy of hellfire. One really has no choice.:shrug:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (01/17/08 11:05 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7893067 - 01/17/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

'A man god is more powerful than angels and demons" - Plato

One hole in the theory of evolution is the missing link between man and ape.

The gap in intelligence is in the space between the all seeing eye and the rest of the pyramid.

Secret societies have all the answers but knowledge is power and ignorance is controllable. God is Control and Power

I think humans were genetically altered from apes to create a slave race to mine gold which more advanced civilizations can use for anti-gravity technology.... secrets that would destroy this reality we all choose to believe.

Why do you think gold is so valuable and becomming more expensive as i type this? Because it's shinny and heavy? there's always more to the truth below the surface but someone is hiding the evidence for profits.

where are the projected flying cars? the ones that possess the technology are sellin us oil.

i don't know for sure but i like to entertain certain possibilities and some of my assertions are based in fact.

Prove me wrong and we all learn more


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Edited by pINNhEAD (01/17/08 01:47 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7893098 - 01/17/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Government agency HAARP = Hurricanes Tsunamis Earthquakes Volcanic erruptions Storms Drought Temp. etc. Can all be controlled with High voltage electro magnetic waves tune to specific Frequencies aimed to our ionosphere can alter jet streams ect.

Google it! lol


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAnastomosisJihad
Hominid
Male


Registered: 01/01/08
Posts: 700
Loc: Ohio
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893280 - 01/17/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I think you overestimate your enemy.


--------------------
come together


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #7893554 - 01/17/08 03:45 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

No no kind sir. "our" enemy is playing puppet master and continues to thrive on those who choose to ignore and waste away there own thoughts in a world of fantasy, fiction and material goods. i walk through a store and no one even makes eye contact with each other. i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses." The divide and concur tactics are working on the enslaved population. High stress creates anxiety and depression which there seems to be a huge drug market for, for some strange reason and dependence is not freedom.

the lord giveth and the lord taketh way

the righteous have let the devils take over and soon there will be a new lord presented, a different lord.

but don't get me wrong... i'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

the universe is interconnected
just ask that surfer guy


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Edited by pINNhEAD (01/17/08 03:53 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893560 - 01/17/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses" and few ever make eye contact.

Maybe they've read your posts.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOrgoneConclusion
Blue Fish Group
Male User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/07
Posts: 45,414
Loc: Under the C
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7893631 - 01/17/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

:rofl2:

Play nice, now. :nono:


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7893714 - 01/17/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses " and few ever make eye contact.

Maybe they've read your posts.




you've just fell into the "very short with their responses" category. 
:handth:

i expected more from a philosophy forum


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893729 - 01/17/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Nobody's forcing you to stay :tongue:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893851 - 01/17/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

pINNhEAD said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses " and few ever make eye contact.

Maybe they've read your posts.




you've just fell into the "very short with their responses" category. 
:handth:

i expected more from a philosophy forum




If you think some response from me should correspond to who you think you are and how valuable your perspectives are, you are bound to be disappointed.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7893904 - 01/17/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

No one can force me to stay but i chose to post here to see if there are other people other than the people i know who have similar interests.

well i guess my ideas are crazy and subject to rejection, like the world being round when it used to be flat.


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893914 - 01/17/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I'm not asking you to leave (yet). This is only one of your ideas and it doesn't really seem coherent to me.

it used to be flat.

I didn't know the world used to be flat. I think I was sick that year.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
Female User Gallery


Registered: 12/02/05
Posts: 14,794
Loc: red panda village
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7893921 - 01/17/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Don't shut yourself off to things that you hear/see and are not convenient to yourself, they have the ability to make you learn how to cope with your frustrations. Plus, they cultivate a good sense of humor. :wink:


--------------------
:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7893989 - 01/17/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

I'm not disappointed, i was just returning the sarcasm. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, yours was lacking substance.


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleVeritas
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7894000 - 01/17/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Unlike "humans were created by aliens as slaves to mine for gold," which is fully substantiated and factual.  :lol:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7894002 - 01/17/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Gee it's nice to see such a big beautiful bouncy ego.

I can see why you need to vigorously defend it.:thumbup:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (01/17/08 05:14 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisiblepINNhEAD
Male

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 235
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Veritas]
    #7894080 - 01/17/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

well my point is it's an idea related to but a little different than the views expressed previously to mine. the fact i base this on is no one really knows for sure what is real or not but what is real is that people can be manipulated on a massive scale. symbols i see synchronizing with the ideas i have and feeding my intuition drives be to fill the gaps in my philosophy


--------------------
The above fiction is for entertainment purposes only. In no way do i intend anything stated on this site to be taken seriously.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSophistic Radiance
Free sVs!
Female


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
    #7895402 - 01/17/08 10:51 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Quote:

pINNhEAD said:
i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses." The divide and concur tactics are working on the enslaved population. High stress creates anxiety and depression which there seems to be a huge drug market for, for some strange reason and dependence is not freedom.
just ask that surfer guy




Maybe you're just a poor conversationalist (no offense). I have lively conversations with strangers almost every day.

I don't doubt that truth is often stranger than fiction, but I don't see much basis for these conspiracy theories other than fiction.


--------------------
Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.



Edited by Tchan909 (01/17/08 10:52 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineLove Cap
Wanderer
Female


Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 401
Loc: somewhere in the plains
Last seen: 10 years, 15 days
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
    #7895547 - 01/17/08 11:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses" and few ever make eye contact.

Maybe they've read your posts.




I just keep seeing better and better contributions from you today! :blowme:

I can see where pinhead is coming from. We're for sure trying to be controlled and dumbed down. It's working on a lot of people, sad to see.  Yeah, still pretty extreme... almost to the point where it reminds me of David Icke... haha


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
    #7896719 - 01/18/08 09:42 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I just keep seeing better and better contributions from you today!

Why thank you.:heart: Cumming from you that's a real compliment.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5  [ show all ]

Shop: Bridgetown Botanicals CBD Concentrates   Kraken Kratom Kratom Capsules for Sale   PhytoExtractum Kratom Powder for Sale   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* If God really wants us to believe in him...
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Baby_Hitler 4,789 74 05/06/03 12:35 AM
by Deiymiyan
* Praise God
( 1 2 all )
Viaggio 1,852 31 10/30/04 01:36 AM
by fireworks_god
* Afraid of God?
( 1 2 all )
Seeking_Gnosis 2,846 28 03/01/04 05:26 PM
by Shroomerious
* "Gods loves us".....but why?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
MOTH 6,652 111 11/21/04 08:20 PM
by ld50negative1
* if you believe in god
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
2Experimental 5,336 80 08/03/04 06:56 PM
by HerbanShaman
* Do u Believe, in an unconditional loving God ?
( 1 2 3 4 all )
lucid 10,451 74 09/25/03 05:08 PM
by ska8ball
* Religion and God
( 1 2 3 all )
RandalFlagg 3,916 40 09/19/03 01:49 PM
by Clover
* Do You Believe In God?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
EffedS 6,517 92 09/08/03 09:58 AM
by Clover

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
5,677 topic views. 0 members, 10 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.058 seconds spending 0.011 seconds on 14 queries.