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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
#7890506 - 01/16/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.
I think the way our universe and everything on earth, the way our environment in every aspect is perfect for us to live in... IS VERY complex... so it seems like it IS that complex, I mean it obviously not simple enough for man to come up with!
could be the sheer simplicity of it all that makes it so complex.
simple being, every just is.
(only an idea)
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: igwna]
#7890579 - 01/16/08 09:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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could be true. but do YOU understand the whole network of things? do you know everything about biology, chemistry, logic, physics, etc? I don't, it's not so simple for me. All of that has to do with life, so therefor life is just as complex and most likely more than all of those subjects... IMO
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
#7890622 - 01/16/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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no i definitally understand where you're coming from.
just the way debates in philosophy go, despite what i believe or agree with more i always defend the other side. or atleast the side thats the underdog or something like that. to better learn how others feel and use their ideas to broaden mine.
back to our conversation, maybe the whole network of things is really that simple but when we looked under a microscope it couldn't just show nothing at all so thus biology, chemistry, logic, physics and the whole works were created.
and for the record, i don't understand much of all that jazz at all.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
#7891476 - 01/17/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Didn't you know? The only god atheists believe in is the Judeo-Christian god. Interesting, huh?
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Tchan909 said: Didn't you know? The only god atheists believe in is the Judeo-Christian god. Interesting, huh?
Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? Are you serious? Was that supposed to be clever? Is this some form of surrealistic stream of consciousness writing? Your comment leaves me with more questions than answers.
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90% of atheists I know base their atheism on the implausibility of God as described in the Bible. Therefore, the basis for their denial of God, their belief system, is the Bible.
There are, naturally, exceptions. But too often I see "I don't believe in God because according to the Bible, God is good and created everything but evil exists in the world." Or some other logical fallacy derived from biblical inconsistencies. These people strike me as Christians in denial.
The very OP we reply to is an example. According to the OP, belief in God necessarily entails a disbelief of evolution. Therefore, TurntableJunkie has a clear idea of what he perceives as God, and is very eager to refute that God.
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Tchan909 said: 90% of atheists I know base their atheism on the implausibility of God as described in the Bible.
Oh, where to start? Okay, I know. How about you provide me with a reputable source/link that will back that statistic?
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It's not a statistic. It's just a personal observation. That was implied by my use of the phrase, "90% of atheists I know." If you have statistics to the contrary, feel free to share.
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Atheists refute the dominating local religion's version of God, whether it be Allah, Shiva, Zeus or Yahweh. Certainly this is not too difficult to grok.
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Well, it certainly separates atheists into two very different camps... there are the atheists who are most concerned with differentiating themselves from their local dogmatic peers, and those who have a logical, sound basis for the denial of God, regardless of their ego-driven idea of where they fit in with their local culture. You'll find the latter camp is very lonely.
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You'll find the latter camp is very lonely.
This is solely your projection.
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those who have a logical, sound basis for the denial of God,
This point has been covered thousands of times here and need not be repeated yet again.
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regardless of their ego-driven id
One can always tell that another's position is weak when they feel the need to add unsubstantiated emotional drivel as part of an argument.
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I did say "idea," not "id." And I used that language simply to elaborate on my point for those who couldn't follow, using a popular construction of human consciousness. You can ignore the word "ego-driven" if you like, and you'll find my point stands.
I'll admit it's pretty much my own opinion that the latter camp is very lonely, but I'd like to see refutation if you can offer it.
Please don't project emotionality on me.
EDIT: after lengthy consideration of the discussion, I realized we agree. You say atheists reject their local conception of God, and I also say atheists reject their local conception of God. Are we bickering meaninglessly?
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Neither God nor evolution can be "proven" they're both just theories.
God is not a theory. For something to qualify as a theory, it must be falsifiable, among other things. This is why Intelligent Design is not a theory either.
Please educate yourself --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: fivepointer]
#7891783 - 01/17/08 04:52 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Things get more DISORDERED with time.
That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.
How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?
Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.
Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Diploid]
#7892464 - 01/17/08 10:57 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Things get more DISORDERED with time.
That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.
How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?
Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.
Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't.
whoop whoop show um diploid
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Diploid]
#7892498 - 01/17/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Things get more DISORDERED with time.
That must be why highly ordered things like hurricanes appear over time.
How many times do I have to correct your second grade understanding of thermodynamics before you will stop misconstruing it?
Disorder increases over time only in an energy-CLOSED system, which the Earth is not. The Earth receives energy from the sun.
Being ignorant of the basic science you're using is excusable. Obstinately continuing to be ignorant after several people have tried to educate you isn't.
Well when all your information comes from "God", how can you expect it to be correct? And of course to disobey and learn would put one in jeopardy of hellfire. One really has no choice.
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'A man god is more powerful than angels and demons" - Plato
One hole in the theory of evolution is the missing link between man and ape.
The gap in intelligence is in the space between the all seeing eye and the rest of the pyramid.
Secret societies have all the answers but knowledge is power and ignorance is controllable. God is Control and Power
I think humans were genetically altered from apes to create a slave race to mine gold which more advanced civilizations can use for anti-gravity technology.... secrets that would destroy this reality we all choose to believe.
Why do you think gold is so valuable and becomming more expensive as i type this? Because it's shinny and heavy? there's always more to the truth below the surface but someone is hiding the evidence for profits.
where are the projected flying cars? the ones that possess the technology are sellin us oil.
i don't know for sure but i like to entertain certain possibilities and some of my assertions are based in fact.
Prove me wrong and we all learn more
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Edited by pINNhEAD (01/17/08 01:47 PM)
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
#7893098 - 01/17/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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Government agency HAARP = Hurricanes Tsunamis Earthquakes Volcanic erruptions Storms Drought Temp. etc. Can all be controlled with High voltage electro magnetic waves tune to specific Frequencies aimed to our ionosphere can alter jet streams ect.
Google it! lol
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: pINNhEAD]
#7893280 - 01/17/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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I think you overestimate your enemy.
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No no kind sir. "our" enemy is playing puppet master and continues to thrive on those who choose to ignore and waste away there own thoughts in a world of fantasy, fiction and material goods. i walk through a store and no one even makes eye contact with each other. i try to have simple conversations with random people. Most simply ignore or "are very short with their responses." The divide and concur tactics are working on the enslaved population. High stress creates anxiety and depression which there seems to be a huge drug market for, for some strange reason and dependence is not freedom.
the lord giveth and the lord taketh way
the righteous have let the devils take over and soon there will be a new lord presented, a different lord.
but don't get me wrong... i'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
the universe is interconnected just ask that surfer guy
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