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wow, this is what i was trying to explain in another forum, to another shroomerite, who doesn't get any concepts that aren't defined or associated with logic.
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TurntableJunky said: you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.
Some (not just me) think it's possible that man was created with the ability to adapt and evolve as needed for survival. Other creatures also evolve or die. That to me is what "intelligent design" signifies.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: mushbaby]
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Evolution is the process of designing  [and vice versa ]
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7887726 - 01/16/08 10:06 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Evolution is design without intelligence. Some shit works, some shit don't, and over billions of years the things that work compound into a variety of shapes and forms.
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Rylmonkey said: how do you know god didn't create evolution.
I don't know that he didn't, but how do you know that Satan didn't create evolution by ejaculating into the womb of the cosmic Marie Antoinette? And if either of those scenarios are true, we are forced to ask "who created God? who created the guy that created God? who created the guy that created the guy that created God?" Do you see the kind of logical chaos that this type of thinking creates?
maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.
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Tchan909 said: Evolution is design without intelligence. Some shit works, some shit don't, and over billions of years the things that work compound into a variety of shapes and forms.
ahahaa You don't think evolution is intelligent ?  I think the same processes work for us in our minds (try and error) and build huge parts of our consciousness, which we call 'intelligent' (if trial and error comes to some solutions).
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: igwna]
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maybe its just WAY too simple of a thought for us to accept that he just IS. so we push it away. maybe we're making it a lot more complex than it is. just a thought.
I think the way our universe and everything on earth, the way our environment in every aspect is perfect for us to live in... IS VERY complex... so it seems like it IS that complex, I mean it obviously not simple enough for man to come up with!
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
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What if the mind of God is in a human head somewhere?? Or every human head?? Given the right stimulus.
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what if? i don't know, but i think that's ridiculous, because man can't even comprehend our own minds.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
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GOD IS A PERSON. That's what the Illuminati want to hide.
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Haha. That guy! Well, I can see what he means, but I don't think he's exactly saying that god is a person?
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
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I think its him, silly.
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oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy!
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Is god not the identity of that that has us as a means by which it can know itself? (In the sense of the universe made us so it can know itself type of thing?)
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Ahimsa]
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To the OP, shame on you.
Neither God nor evolution can be "proven" they're both just theories. It is just as ridiculous to say that a big man far away created everything than it is to say that from nothing and random occurances spawned life. If it wasn't random then something had some sort of hand it, wouldn't it? Which would lead towards a God. Who says they're can't be both a God and evolution, Deism is the thought that God built the universe and then left alone.
What if God is the universe? infinite, etc. I mean are bacteria aware that they are just a tiny spec on us? Could it be possible that we are just a tiny spec on God?
Either way, the Human brain cannot grasp the concept of nothing or infinite.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Love Cap]
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Love Cap said: oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy!
God couldn't be like any one GUY as he is all of us, we are all spirit and apart of the eternal light which we choose to call "God".
That's how i see it anyway. I just can't believe that god is some person sitting up in the clouds dictating what's happening on earth...
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So the whole idea of evolution is things get spontaneously MORE ordered with time. This is just plain absurd. Things get more DISORDERED with time.
The complexity of the living things on this earth could never just by chance come into existence. Now that is true faith, to believe in negative entropy and the complexity of life from random process.
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: fivepointer]
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No, that is not the "whole idea of evolution." 
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/0_0_0/evo_25
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The complexity of the living things on this earth could never just by chance come into existence
But God could? Who created God, if something cannot come from nothing?
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TurntableJunky said: you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.
I posted this a week or so ago, but since you asked:
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I can think of plenty of good reasons for people to question Darwinian dogmatism.
Foremost is the origin of life problem. The standard evolutionary story posits that life emerged from a prebiotic soup of naturally formed organic molecules in some sunlit pound or lagoon in a reducing atmosphere billions of years ago, shortly after the oceans formed. This is extremely unlikely for several reasons.
- Life uses only left handed isomers of amino acids and right handed isomers of nucleic acids, but any known natural process produces these isomers in equal quantities. Even if enough of the correct amino acids were produced to build a self replicating protein, the supposed starting point of life, the odds of getting enough of the left handed isomers together in one spot without interference from the right handed isomers would be very long in a naturally racemic solution.
- In an aqueous solution polypeptide chains (proteins) tend to break apart, not come together.
- The same ultraviolet radiation and lightning strikes posited as an energy source for synthesizing amino acids tend to break down proteins, not synthesize them.
- All experiments that have successfully synthesized amino acids from gasses in a simulated reducing atmosphere have also produced other acids in far greater concentrations, including large quantities of formic acid, the active component in bee and ant venom, which is very effective at breaking down proteins.
- There is no evidence that Earth's atmosphere was ever reducing to begin with. The reducing atmosphere hypothesis is based solely on the ability of such an atmosphere to spontaneously generate organic molecules.
- Even using large organic molecules derived from living things and state of the art laboratories to simulate a wide spectrum of possible initial conditions, scientists have not been able to synthesize life from non-life.
From a purely chemical point of view, it would take a miracle for life to emerge from non-life in the shallow waters of early earth. This, however, is a miracle that Neo-Darwinists hold unquestioned while ridiculing creationists for their silly belief in miracles.
Secondly, there is the speciation problem. According to the Darwinian theory, new species form by a process of mutation and natural selection. Natural selection only ever removes genes, never adding them. The fittest organisms survive while the less fit are weeded out, thereby reducing the depth of the gene pool. There is plenty of room for variation within a genome, and new phenotypes can come about as a result of environmental pressures and natural selection, but a speciation event requires new genes not present in the current species' gene-pool.
The Neo-Darwinists claim that new genes arise through random mutations, providing the building blocks for new species. But, beneficial mutation events are very rare. A random beneficial mutation is analogous to improving a computer program by deleting a line of its code and replacing it with blind strokes on the keyboard. Such beneficial mutations can certainly happen, but not very often. Most mutations are deleterious, reducing the fitness of the organism. Given the spectacular diversity of life on earth, and the astronomical number of base pair combinations required to encode that life, it would be nothing short of a miracle for all those genes to come about though random beneficial mutations. There simply is not enough time since Earth formed for random beneficial mutations to account for the millions of species alive today. It would be a miracle if it actually happened that way. The time problem becomes especially acute when considering the short time frame in which all the major animal phyla emerged during the Cambrian explosion.
Speciation by mutation and natural selection is another dogma many biologists expect folks to accept without question, or else be labeled as ignorant and unscientific, but their story is no more scientific than the creation account given in Genesis; both are highly unlikely.
At this point the only rigorously honest position to take on the question of how all the different forms of life arose on the Earth is to say we really don't know. Dogmatic adherence to myth, be it creation myth or evolution myth, will not move us toward finding out how it really happened.
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Love Cap said: oh, HA! If god was a human, I hope he would be a lot like that guy!
God couldn't be like any one GUY as he is all of us, we are all spirit and apart of the eternal light which we choose to call "God".
That's how i see it anyway. I just can't believe that god is some person sitting up in the clouds dictating what's happening on earth...
ok dude, if you actually READ my previous posts, I don't actually think that god is any type of person. I don't think god has a personality... if you read this whole thread I'm pretty sure I explained what I think god is.
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