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TurntableJunky
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If you believe in god.
#7881846 - 01/15/08 06:15 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.
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Middleman

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What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?
An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.
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Rylmonkey
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how do you know god didn't create evolution.
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Rylmonkey
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
#7881865 - 01/15/08 06:25 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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yeh the pattern of life it's precariousness and resiliency are too damn perfect to be some chaotic random force, there must be some infallable force behind it all, or maybe the pattern will just repeat it self into self-redestruction.
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idreamofpiggies
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TurntableJunky said: you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.
You're a fool and a half!!! Believing in God doesn't mean that you are instantly some sort of close minded dumb fuck!!
If you look at the world closely enough everything can be explained through a sience of the soul.
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Middleman

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Can we have a discussion without calling each other names? ...Please?
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idreamofpiggies
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Middleman]
#7881883 - 01/15/08 06:39 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Middleman said: Can we have a discussion without calling each other names? ...Please?
Good call, my bad.
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Floop
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Middleman]
#7881928 - 01/15/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Middleman said: What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?
An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.
You can sure use logic in this case. If you believe in both God and evolution you can say: "God created the universe and evolution is true" which is either true or not true. In the theory of evolution it doesn't matter wether there is a God or not tho'. Many scientist do wonder about the fact that people think life needs to be designed but that God is just eternal and isn't designed by anything. You might then as well say that the universe itself is eternal and not designed by anything, especially since evolution shows life doesn't need a designer.
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Middleman

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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Floop]
#7881940 - 01/15/08 07:08 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Floop said:
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Middleman said: What's with all the Aristotelian yes / no, either / or logic in here?
An intelligent "force" behind the mechanics of nature seems perfectly possible, if not probable, to me.
You can sure use logic in this case. If you believe in both God and evolution you can say: "God created the universe and evolution is true" which is either true or not true.
My point was that there are other kinds of logic besides either / or...
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JackthaTripper
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TurntableJunky said: If you believe in god you must be retarded. How the hell can you argue with evolution.
If you believe the two have to be mutually exclusive you must be retarded
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Edited by JackthaTripper (01/16/08 03:31 PM)
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Rose
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Humans are gullible...
Keep the name calling in OTD. Please.
Man, there's a LOT of P&S n00bs in here lately.
Check the rules before you post.
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Edited by Rose (01/15/08 01:43 PM)
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Icelander
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rose]
#7883597 - 01/15/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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You should be a mod.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
#7883601 - 01/15/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Icelander said: You should be a mod.
I concur
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Icelander
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I think he was a mod but got fired for stealing pencils and paperclips.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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MushroomTrip
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Icelander]
#7883654 - 01/15/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Jesus would forgive him
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Anarleaf
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
#7883656 - 01/15/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Rylmonkey said: yeh the pattern of life it's precariousness and resiliency are too damn perfect to be some chaotic random force, there must be some infallable force behind it all, or maybe the pattern will just repeat it self into self-redestruction.
Perfection of life is not exactly true, we have had ice ages and still today have natural disasters that we still cannot control. It might seem perfect because so many species have died out and we are naturally selected to our environment.
Edited by Anarleaf (01/15/08 02:22 PM)
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MushroomTrip
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
#7883663 - 01/15/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Disasters for who? They obviously serve to the health of this planet.
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Anarleaf
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MushroomTrip said: Disasters for who? They obviously serve to the health of this planet.
That's actually the point, they help to better the planet, not humans. Since some theists claim that we were created, wiping out people would be detrimental.
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MushroomTrip
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Anarleaf]
#7883724 - 01/15/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Oh is that so? And were we created?
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it stars saddam
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Re: If you believe in god. [Re: Rylmonkey]
#7883729 - 01/15/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Rylmonkey said: how do you know god didn't create evolution.
I don't know that he didn't, but how do you know that Satan didn't create evolution by ejaculating into the womb of the cosmic Marie Antoinette? And if either of those scenarios are true, we are forced to ask "who created God? who created the guy that created God? who created the guy that created the guy that created God?" Do you see the kind of logical chaos that this type of thinking creates?
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