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whoru
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ID Request NNSW Australia
#7880950 - 01/14/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Newbie Mycologist here 



Habitat: Grass field mushroom growing from dung of cow
Gills: The gill color varies from light to dark purple color.
Stem: Whitish, brown stripes, slightly enlarged at base. 1cm wide.
Cap: Brown to gray, 3 inches in diameter.
Spore print color: A dark purple color.
Bruising: no color change was observed. >:/
Location: Picked in north nsw Australia
Thanks for any help
Whoru
Edited by whoru (01/15/08 12:26 AM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881046 - 01/14/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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I don't see any bluing in the photo, so I was going to say Stropharia until I read that you said that it was growing directly from dung and stained blue.
Assuming both are true, I guess its Psilocybe cubensis.
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Thanks for your reply. I'm completely new at this. Yes it was growing directly in dung. Would the mushroom continue to stain blue as it aged? After being picked? Also i found an identical mushroom over 4" in diameter. How large can these grow?
Thanks again for your help
Edited by whoru (01/14/08 11:22 PM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881192 - 01/14/08 11:50 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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interesting specimen whoru.
it is a Stropharia of some kind, most likely Psilocybe cubensis but it looks strange to me
your first photograph of the cap is dead on with P. cubensis, i can even see the dark purple spores on the cap surface.
but the gill color looks slightly off to me. i may have seen that shade of smokey grey gill color in peoples mature cultivated P. cubensis but do not recall seeing it like that in any wild specimens. it could just be how your camera was acting in that light
the formation of the veil is about right, but a little odd. the veil is white which fits the natural color of P. cubensis but i only see a slight amount of dark purple spores on the veil, and a mature cubensis that size would normally have a dark purple veil by then.
the habitat, location, size, stem, cap surface, all match up to Psilocybe cubensis. you might want to double check your spore print because i am sure it is not "blue" at all and only dark purplish or sometimes purplish-chocolate colored.
i guess the determining factor is if the stem bruised blue. a cubensis that size and freshness will basically always bruise blue if you provoke it.
and i have found cubensis with 7-8" cap diameter before. that is about as large of a cap as they will get with this species. usually when i found a cube that size which was only a few times it would be time to leave the field. i used to have photographs of these monsters but they are all gone. holding one in my hands would make me practically tip over
so if it bruises blue it is true
nice find, thanks for sharing
that is a cube
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7881295 - 01/15/08 12:18 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cheers gg,
You are right about the spore print definitely dark purplish. Unfortunately all i have left of this specimen is a makeshift spore print.
Perhaps in my "newbieness" i have mistaken the dark purple spores on the cap for bruising. The stem remained like it was in the photo for the time i had the mushroom.
So in absence of "blue" bruising this would be in the Stropharia family as Alan has suggested. I will change my id request in light of this.
Thanks again for your help
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881432 - 01/15/08 01:09 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Did you eat it and find it wasn't active?
It certainly is a strange cubensis if it is one, only Stropharia from dung i know of is S.semiglobata and i don't think that's it. Interesting mushroom though.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881463 - 01/15/08 01:21 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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No i didn't eat it. I know where they live though! I'd like a positive id to warrant further investigation.
I would have liked to find a few younger mushrooms. Unfortunately the weather was not cooperating and it was to hot.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881522 - 01/15/08 02:01 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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It's a cube, I can smell it.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: farmer88]
#7881555 - 01/15/08 02:17 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Looks like a pan to me but ima noob hunter myself
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: farmer88]
#7881559 - 01/15/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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With no "blue" bruising?
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: Cubie]
#7881563 - 01/15/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Cubie said: Looks like a pan to me but ima noob hunter myself
Nah man it looks nothing like any sort of Panaeolus.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: Shroomeup]
#7881599 - 01/15/08 02:39 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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The gills of these mushrooms are black or grey and have a spotty, speckled or cloudy appearance, caused by the way that the dark spores ripen together in tiny patches on the gill surface; different patches darken at different times. Another character of the genus is that the spores are smooth. [1]
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7881600 - 01/15/08 02:40 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Do you still have it? Seriously looks like one, I've had some bruise little or late when they are getting on or just plain dry-ish
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: farmer88]
#7881619 - 01/15/08 02:47 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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idk, the cap looks pretty blueish, but i've seen Stropharia blush very blue/violet. i see no obvious evidance of bruising, it looks more like blushing.
also, here in QLD, those things grow in cow paddocs from dung and off the ground all over the place. generally there are five times as many of them as there are cubensis growing. just be careful when distinguishing bruising from blush.  and, i understand taht the one you picked was a little late before the sun got to it and warped the caps, but cubensis i've found tend to have a curvier cap, wheras the stropharia tend to have a very clean cut 'rice hat' cone shape/silhouette.
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Edited by Kanker (01/15/08 02:51 AM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: Kanker]
#7881638 - 01/15/08 02:57 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Do you still have it? Seriously looks like one, I've had some bruise little or late when they are getting on or just plain dry-ish
No i didn't keep it. It was very dry had been mid 30's for two days.
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idk, the cap looks pretty blueish, but i've seen Stropharia blush very blue/violet. i see no obvious evidance of bruising, it looks more like blushing.
also, here in QLD, those things grow in cow paddocs from dung and off the ground all over the place. generally there are five times as many of them as there are cubensis growing. just be careful when distinguishing bruising from blush. and, i understand taht the one you picked was a little late before the sun got to it and warped the caps, but cubensis i've found tend to have a curvier cap, wheras the stropharia tend to have a very clean cut 'rice hat' cone shape/silhouette.
I agree with you, from the photographs i have seen. The top was pretty much flat.
I will make sure to distinguish bruising from blushing from now on. Learning a lot after my first hunt.
Thanks for your input!
Edited by whoru (01/15/08 03:02 AM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7884351 - 01/15/08 04:24 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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My first impression is of a Stropharia but its not one I am familiar with.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: Workman]
#7887162 - 01/16/08 03:15 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks for all your help its appreciated. Picked up a nice field guide today should help a lot on the next hunt.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7889151 - 01/16/08 05:05 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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yes usually when a mushroom bruises blue there is not too much doubt. so for your next identification request try to be as honest as possible with your description.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7889265 - 01/16/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Im gonna say its some inactive strophia. . The first picture is similar to a cubensis, but the center color seems a bit too tan for a cube.
this mushroom looks similar to these I found growing in a old (hasnt been used in 20 yrs) cow field.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: 2859558484]
#7889313 - 01/16/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Your keyboard always makes me think you are about 9.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: GGreatOne234]
#7889543 - 01/16/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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GGreatOne234 said: yes usually when a mushroom bruises blue there is not too much doubt. so for your next identification request try to be as honest as possible with your description.
Noted. Learning a lot with experience. Was an honest mistake. Only had the mushroom for a few hours. Guess you have to detach yourself when identifying mushrooms. And see what is actually there, not what you want to see. If that makes any sense.
Edited by whoru (01/16/08 06:58 PM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: CureCat]
#7889574 - 01/16/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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CureCat said: Your keyboard always makes me think you are about 9.
? Ok. 'Experience is the teacher of all things'
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: 2859558484]
#7889590 - 01/16/08 06:36 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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wowitch17 said: Im gonna say its some inactive strophia. . The first picture is similar to a cubensis, but the center color seems a bit too tan for a cube.
this mushroom looks similar to these I found growing in a old (hasnt been used in 20 yrs) cow field.
Yep i think its a strophia too. Thanks for your post
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7889592 - 01/16/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Heh, he has Spongebob Squarepants stickers on his keys, if that clarifies my comment....
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: CureCat]
#7889606 - 01/16/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ha maybe he has kids. Nice fractal too.
Edited by whoru (01/16/08 06:41 PM)
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: whoru]
#7889625 - 01/16/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pretty sure he's around my age. In which case, I hope he does not have kids.
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Re: ID Request NNSW Australia [Re: CureCat]
#7890436 - 01/16/08 09:24 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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lmao, glad to tell yall i dont have kids. I dont even have that keyboard anymore:( I spilled beer on it.
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