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OfflineJonnJonzz
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Noob in need of help..
    #7878746 - 01/14/08 03:15 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Hello all, I'm going to try morning glory for the first time (it'll be my first time using any kind of "drug")and DMT later on down the line.

I wanted to know what's the best way to use them, can they be consumed? And for smoking what are the best types of bongs or pipes to use? Any kind of help will be much appriacted.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7878753 - 01/14/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Morning glory in my opion are a waste of time. Not exactly pleasant in my experience.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. (moved) [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7878790 - 01/14/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Ethnobotanical Garden.

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This belongs in the psychedelic experience, I'll move it there


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7878799 - 01/14/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

post in psychedelic experience for help.:smirk:


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7878815 - 01/14/08 03:34 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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jeverden said:
Morning glory in my opion are a waste of time. Not exactly pleasant in my experience.





yeah morning glory ain't worth shit in my opinion.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: DeathCompany]
    #7878849 - 01/14/08 03:41 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

i have never tried them but my buddies have.

they washed them off really really good then put them in a grinder and ground them up and put it in some yogurt and ate it.. said it was horrible.

they had really bad stomach pains and were tripping for like 10 hours..

they said it was an o.k. experience..

they couldn't convince me to do it though.. they were bitching and complaining the whole time.

i wouldn't do it, personally

but if i was going to do it, i would eat them and not smoke them.

look up erowid for dosing and preparation procedures.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7878889 - 01/14/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

what do you mean by first "drug" experience? Do you mean with anything at all including Alcohol & pot? Or do you mean psychedelic? Try and see if you can get hooked up with half an 8th of shrooms. As I'd imagine it'd be easier on the stomach


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: learningtofly]
    #7878933 - 01/14/08 03:56 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

omg i didn't even read this guy..

dont do morning glory as your first drug. please.

find some shrooms.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7878969 - 01/14/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

You can create an alcohol LSA tincture like so:

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First off you always want to start with a larger quantity of seeds then would think is enough...(due to potentcy variability)

- Grind seeds in a coffee grinder

- Stuff seeds in a stainless, copper or glass tube with one end only small enough to stick a butane nozzle in and on the other end a 1-3inch opening for filter.

- Squirt the butane threw nozzle end all the crap will fall out thru the filter at the bottom. Do this twice for like 3-8 seconds. Make sure not too much pressure builds or you will literally blast your seeds right out the tube.

- Remove seeds from tube and allow to dry for 1 hr

- put seeds in a SMALL jar smaller the better easier to work with, with 95% or better alcohol either Grain or IPA/Rubbing.

- Add a few drops of peppermint oil this is high in acetalhyde and has acetic acid in it to make the LSA/LSH more stable.

- Shake this around hard for 10min then allow to sit in fridge for another hour and 45min.(2 hour extraction)

- carefully pour off top into a filter make sure all seed gook stays in jar.

- Evaporate this down to desired amount(patience is way better, you can use a fan, but if you use heat don't go higher then 100 degrees F.) or evaporate to dry extract(it will be slightly oily from the peppermint oil) and scrape to reconstitute with 60% or better alcohol.(the Tincture has a way better effect then dry extract)

_ Have a nice trip...OR If you want something more pure don't use peppermint oil in first stages. You will also be loosing LSA doing these washes but whatever you want it more pure.

- after you have evaporated it down reconstitute it only in really COLD 99% rubbing alcohol..do this 3 times leaving the GOOK at he bottom each time.. There is still a small amount of LSA in the gook but discard it or eat it later...

- after final scrape and its completely dry reconstitute it in only grain alcohol and add peppermint oil

- Potency at could be very very high at this point and i suggest you don't eat this unless weighed on a really good scale before you reconstitute it..





Not my tek, by the way.

Alternatively, just grind them up, soak them in lemon juice and then drink it. Equally, alcohol can do the job, just make sure you don't use so much alcohol you get drunk. The two experiences don't go together too well.

You can just chew the seeds, but they don't taste too pleasant at all.

Have a great trip. Be prepared for some mild nausea, but nothing too extreme.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7880169 - 01/14/08 07:52 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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JonnJonzz said:
Hello all, I'm going to try morning glory for the first time (it'll be my first time using any kind of "drug")and DMT later on down the line.

I wanted to know what's the best way to use them, can they be consumed? And for smoking what are the best types of bongs or pipes to use? Any kind of help will be much appriacted.


you don't smoke morning glory seeds, you consume them.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: sk8cracka]
    #7880261 - 01/14/08 08:11 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Morning Glory, H.B. Woodrose and Ololuiqui (Rivera c.) seeds all work wonderfully, don't listen to any of those people who said it doesn't work.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7880319 - 01/14/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Why not try some pot first? Seriously LSA (MG/HBW) generally just suck. Definitely not a good introductory drug.

edit: Oh and about the bong, I'm assuming you're not trying to smoke the seeds right? For marijuana it doesn't really matter a bongs a bong. Some will do a better job at cooling/filtering it but your gonna get just as high either way. Things you might look for are an ice catch (holds ice to cool the smoke) or multiple chambers, but usually all that is more aesthetic than anything in my opinion. Just go with something that is durable, looks nice and is cheap.

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FarFromHere said:
Morning Glory, H.B. Woodrose and Ololuiqui (Rivera c.) seeds all work wonderfully, don't listen to any of those people who said it doesn't work.




No one said they don't work, they're just not comparable to a good acid/mushroom trip.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: krypto2000]
    #7880818 - 01/14/08 10:34 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

It's good to have them in your shamanic toolbox.

All Entheogens work...

It's a matter of getting them to work right.

It might take years to figure out the proper method of cultivation, harvest, preperation and usage...

But most if not all reputed ethnobotanicals "work".

I think the best way to get an experience from most plants is to grow them and study them.

It takes time, but most all plant drugs are worthwhile, if you know what your doing.

Think about people who "call bullshit" on Salvia...Or Amanita muscaria...

These things work, you've just got to do them right.

Just because you didn't have an experience, doesn't mean whatever you took sucks...

It means you need to do some more research or find a better vendor with fresher wares!

Age is a huge factor in potency.

Freshly dried salvia will fuuuuck you up, ever just a leaf or two.

Same thing with Kratom.

Yet people smoke bowls and bowls of the year old stuff some vendors send them swearing up and down that- "salvia is bullshit".


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Seriously LSA (MG/HBW) generally just suck. Definitely not a good introductory drug.





I like it just fine. Ololuiqui is FUN! I can see how you say HBWR isn't fun.

You guys do realize all three are different right?

They don't contain the same exact chemicals..

Personally I would NEVER use HBWR! :puke:



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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7881389 - 01/15/08 12:51 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

never done morning glory myself so can't help you with that
as far as DMT goes, you can either eat it with some MAO inhibitors (syrian rue) for a ayahuasca type experience, lasts about 4 hours and can get pretty intense, but if you want to go for the real deal you need to smoke it, best way to do that is to use some sort of glass crack/meth pipe (u can easily make one out of a light bulb) and vaporize the DMT - that trip in itself is utterly indescribable, only lasts about 5 minutes, but those 5 minutes can seem like an eternity, the intensity is unreal, not something you want to do for your first experience, you need to be prepared, prepared to leave your life behind completely, and have your reality completely replaced, I mean 100% alien dimensions.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7881548 - 01/15/08 02:13 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I forgot to say before- get familiar with LSA, and possibly a few other psychedelics before you even think about smoking DMT.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7882718 - 01/15/08 10:59 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the advice. Well by "drug" I meant in the entheogen realm.

I got the morning glory seeds from shamanic extracts and they were pretty cheap so if they end up being bad I can't complain too much. I heard that they gave a mild experience so I thought they would be a nice way to start, but then again I don't know shit about entheogens really. I really got interested after hearing about DMT but I know I have a long ways to go before I ever tried it but I wanted to know as much as I can and know the proper ways to smoke/consume it.

So what would be the idea drugs to start out with?


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7882750 - 01/15/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

'mild' for those who know what they're doing.

if you've never done anything before it's not going to be mild.. i dont think anything will..

plus it's like 10 hours of it.. but i guess you gotta start somewhere.

i say start with shrooms if you are going to do anything..

that's all i do. pot is bullshit and other drugs are too hard to find.. even though i dont look.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: JonnJonzz]
    #7882782 - 01/15/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Well if you've never tried pot or alchohol of course those are very friendly to you. I personally could care less for the legal drugs though (alcohol and tobacco). After that (or before, I did mushrooms before anything) I'd go with mushrooms or LSD. LSD will probably be easier on you, though it lasts longer, and that is always subjective as to which you like best. I'd personally go with Pot, then acid or mushrooms though. If you do go with the morning glory seeds though, there's nothing wrong with that, but if you don't have a good time don't let that influence your opinion on other psychedelics, LSA seems to be very hit or miss with people.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: krypto2000]
    #7883667 - 01/15/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I actually have a list of the natural Entheogens and the order in which I believe people should consume them...

These are my personal opionions and I'm sure other people might pick a different order and may add other drugs in, but here's my list-




“Rites of Initiation into the Entheogenic society”


During the part of a child's life when He/She nears the ages of 17-19 they should go through the following over the course of 1-3 years-

Retreat into nature to live with Shamans, Philosophers, Spiritualist and other initiates.

Follow a very strict 7 week diet before ingesting any Entheogens and stick to that diet during the course of the initiation.

During the initiation the child should be fasting, meditating and learning about philosophy, spirituality and themselves.

Choose an Entheogen to grow over the course of the initiation.

Ingest some or all of the following Entheogens-

Blue Lotus (Nymphaea caerulea) and/or Scared Lotus (Nelumbo nucifera)
Cannabis sativa
Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, or Turbina corymbosa
Silene capensis
Salvia divinorum
Amanita Muscaria properly prepared as "Haoma"
Psilocybin Mushrooms
Trichoceros species or Peyote
Ayahuasca= B. Caapi, Psychotria, Diplopterys and Passiflora incarnata
Tabernatnthe Iboga- Before the Final entheogenic journey you are- Removed of all hair by waxing or other means, Painted blue using natural plant dyes, and given a piercing or tattoo of your choosing....


After that final journey you are Baptized and recognized as an adult.


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Re: Noob in need of help.. [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7884554 - 01/15/08 05:07 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

why dont u start off with smoking some bud or eating some mushrooms.. Mess around with LSA later down the line i woudnt suggest that as your first experience at all


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