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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7880196 - 01/14/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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That faith stagnates, and doubt is always fresh....?




hmm, yes to faith stagnates as it's narrow minded, but about the doubt... I want to say surprises are always better and that being uncertain leaves one to be open to everything rather than the narrow borders of what they have "faith" in.

Now that we're talking about it, what do you think it means?


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is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
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a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7880322 - 01/14/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

My crude interpretation of the quote is what you quoted of my post....
But, your Crowley quote was not put in any context, so I could be terribly wrong in my interpretation....

Why would it be narrow minded to have faith that there is something greater than ourselves....?
Something that (with intention) created the universe....?
Isn't it equally narrow minded to have faith that absolutely nothing created the universe....?


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7880552 - 01/14/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

It sounds like your growing quite normally. Everyone questions those types of things, I know I have. Let me ask you, what would change for you if you found out all this was mere chance? Would it make incentives to do "good" (i use that loosely)things obsolete? Would you be angry or fearful? I believe it's quite possible all this was chance, but that doesn't mean darkness will prevail, even if their happens to be some hanging around. I think you're choices shape your experience, and consequently have a direct effect on the light or darkness in your world. Perhaps your questioning of your faith has simply created some darkness for you? As doubt can so often do. But doubt gives us the ability to question, and answering those questions for ourselves gives us faith, light, or whatever you want to call it. Just as evil in this world gives room for good.
It sounds like you have high standards for god and for good. This world gives many reasons to doubt such standards, but what do you think? What are your answers?
Stay well.
S


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: spitstix]
    #7880756 - 01/14/08 10:20 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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spitstix said:
Let me ask you, what would change for you if you found out all this was mere chance? Would it make incentives to do "good" (i use that loosely)things obsolete? Would you be angry or fearful?



What would change if I came to the conclusion that it was mere chance that we are here....?
I thought that way for most of my life.... 
I guess a few things have changed, but I still am who I was as a person, and in my ethics/morals....
Fearful or angry, no....  What would be the point....?




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spitstix said:
Perhaps your questioning of your faith has simply created some darkness for you? As doubt can so often do. But doubt gives us the ability to question, and answering those questions for ourselves gives us faith, light, or whatever you want to call it.  Just as evil in this world gives room for good.
It sounds like you have high standards for god and for good. This world gives many reasons to doubt such standards, but what do you think? What are your answers?
Stay well.
S




I have not doubted my faith by asking questions of others....  :wink:

Whether you look inside yourself, or in the micro, or the macro, you find similar patterns emerging....
Violence, structure/organization, chaos, beauty, struggle, potential, form, formlessness, and so much more - endless possibilities....

To have what we have in terms of the sheer experience of life, seems to be something more....
We are not just dirt and water and air and electricity, we are something more than that....
We have emerged out of those "simple" ingredients, as scientifically tested, yet we are "more" than that....
I don't think it is that far of a stretch to believe that there is something more than us - just as we are more than our ingredients.... 



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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7880850 - 01/14/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

That post was actually meant for the original poster not a response to yours. :wink: I would have to agree with you about becoming more than our simple ingredients though. Believing this was all chance doesn't equal atheism. At least not for me. I do believe their is something else, whether it's greater or not, i'm not sure. But it is something, and it's something I don't completely understand.


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7881499 - 01/15/08 01:47 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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WhiskeyClone said:

Can you give an example of evil music?






But seriously, I'm glad to see you're digging deeper ai. :thumbup:

The universe may be hostile, impersonal and inequitable, but we are all stars on our way home. :shineon:


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7881919 - 01/15/08 06:54 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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a_guy_named_ai said:

wrath is evil. Love does not have wrath. If you say nothing is evil but then recognise the scale of good and evil, you're being inconsistant and lying to yourself.




So you are still a Christian?


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7881989 - 01/15/08 07:27 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

no. How can I be, when I can't even find God. But it would still be nice to be an angel of love.

I still try to be loving and righteous though. In fact, I think I'm more loving now, because before I had blindly taken God to be one with wrath and evil, sending people to hell.

I wouldn't wish hell forever on anyone now, unless they sent people to damnation forever with no way out.


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7883268 - 01/15/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Welcome back ai.

Good to see you posting again.

Study some Tai-Chi or Yoga... get your body to do some of your mind's work.

It sounds weird... I know... but it WILL help.


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Re: are we living in an evil world? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13784931 - 01/14/11 07:49 AM (13 years, 17 days ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
He should write a book :hehehe:




Done.

http://www.creationmyth.net/

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