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OneMoreRobot3021



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Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
#7876172 - 01/13/08 10:20 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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The NYTimes yesterday published a long, harrowing, scary article in which their writers did research and found evidence of 121 different members of the U.S. Armed Services who have come back from Afghanistan or Iraq only to commit horrendous, horrifying crimes.
You can read it here.
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The Pentagon does not keep track of such killings, most of which are prosecuted not by the military justice system but by civilian courts in state after state. Neither does the Justice Department.
To compile and analyze its list, The Times conducted a search of local news reports, examined police, court and military records and interviewed the defendants, their lawyers and families, the victims’ families and military and law enforcement officials.
This reporting most likely uncovered only the minimum number of such cases, given that not all killings, especially in big cities and on military bases, are reported publicly or in detail. Also, it was often not possible to determine the deployment history of other service members arrested on homicide charges.
The Times used the same methods to research homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans for the six years before and after the present wartime period began with the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.
This showed an 89 percent increase during the present wartime period, to 349 cases from 184, about three-quarters of which involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans. The increase occurred even though there have been fewer troops stationed in the United States in the last six years and the American homicide rate has been, on average, lower.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#7876246 - 01/13/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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its sad.
we teach these young men and women how to effectively use violence to solve problems.
It's no wonder that it becomes a hard habit to break when they are re-introduced to "civilization."
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: MrBump]
#7876391 - 01/13/08 11:25 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yea dude I knew just blew his brains out a week ago or so. I knew him, on and off, for like 12 years. Mostly off. but I knew him so its weird.
EDIT- oh he did two tours in some marine division in iraq.
Edited by Tangerines (01/13/08 11:25 PM)
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Tangerines]
#7876455 - 01/13/08 11:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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They were already unstable- the military just ignores it and uses it to their advantage.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Crasher]
#7877377 - 01/14/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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makes sense considering how easy it is to be admitted into the army. seems they'll take just about anyone these days.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7877382 - 01/14/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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AlteredAgain said: makes sense considering how easy it is to be admitted into the army. seems they'll take just about anyone these days.
yeah you can get a waiver for damn near anything.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: mycopsycho]
#7877568 - 01/14/08 09:46 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Its funny you say that. I graduated high school a year early and joined the army out of a misguided sense of adventure and the lure of quick monies. I got shipped out to basic in S.C. when I was 17.
7 weeks later, when I was almost done with basic, my medical records caught up with me there and they sent me home for having an undisclosed medical condition.
ASTHMA.
At the time, I was so mad. I couldn't believe they would do that. I had been running at least a mile a day for the last *2* months. I was so pissed. I'm sure nowadays they would have given me an inhaler and sent me back into barracks.
So I went home, and 6 months or a year later was 9/11.
Now I can't believe how lucky I was. I've completed two degrees in that time, which I could have spent dodging bullets from Akhmed's AK.
Some things are blessings in disguise....
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#7919529 - 01/23/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Robot, check out this editorial which pretty much skewers that New York Times article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08020/850420-373.stm
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Crasher]
#7919764 - 01/23/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Crasher said: They were already unstable- the military just ignores it and uses it to their advantage.
That's what I was going to say!
These guys didn't join the army for college tuition, they wanted to kill people.
I believe they would have had committed some type of violent crime regardless of veteran status.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7920202 - 01/23/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Robot, check out this editorial which pretty much skewers that New York Times article:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08020/850420-373.stm
VERY interesting, Randal. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#7920377 - 01/23/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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kind of unrelated: my uncle was in Vietnam, he was a gunner in a helicopter if i remember correctly. he was under a lot of stress from what i hear, and two men in his group got a couple guys killed because they were acting stupid. my uncle 'took them out back' and killed both of them. he never got arrested for it, him and his group blamed it on the vietnamese. i haven't seen this guy in over a decade, and i hear he is still pretty unstable. war totally fucks people up.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#7920528 - 01/23/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Yeah I read that it's fucking disturbing as hell, our government sends these guys off to war and completely washes their hands of them.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
#7920538 - 01/23/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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war is old men talking and young men dieing. i always liked that quote, not sure who said it though.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: bmiles]
#7920587 - 01/23/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Actually I think it's from a movie, I'm too lazy to google it though.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
#7920606 - 01/23/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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haha yeah, same here. google takes too much energy.
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Edited by bmiles (01/23/08 04:54 PM)
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: bmiles]
#7920620 - 01/23/08 04:55 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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heh.......
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
#7920809 - 01/23/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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My friend went to a marine academy.
Every day before lunch they sang a song that included the phrase "we're going to KILL KILL KILL for the THRILL" in the chorus.
He was 15.
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Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: kriminalelement]
#7920823 - 01/23/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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damn... thats crazy.
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