Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
InvisibleOneMoreRobot3021
Male


Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 61,024
Loc: the sky
Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
    #7876172 - 01/13/08 10:20 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

The NYTimes yesterday published a long, harrowing, scary article in which their writers did research and found evidence of 121 different members of the U.S. Armed Services who have come back from Afghanistan or Iraq only to commit horrendous, horrifying crimes.

You can read it here.

Quote:

The Pentagon does not keep track of such killings, most of which are prosecuted not by the military justice system but by civilian courts in state after state. Neither does the Justice Department.

To compile and analyze its list, The Times conducted a search of local news reports, examined police, court and military records and interviewed the defendants, their lawyers and families, the victims’ families and military and law enforcement officials.

This reporting most likely uncovered only the minimum number of such cases, given that not all killings, especially in big cities and on military bases, are reported publicly or in detail. Also, it was often not possible to determine the deployment history of other service members arrested on homicide charges.

The Times used the same methods to research homicides involving all active-duty military personnel and new veterans for the six years before and after the present wartime period began with the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.

This showed an 89 percent increase during the present wartime period, to 349 cases from 184, about three-quarters of which involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans. The increase occurred even though there have been fewer troops stationed in the United States in the last six years and the American homicide rate has been, on average, lower.






--------------------
Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMrBump
Third prize is you're fired
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/01/02
Posts: 4,263
Loc: Denver, Colorado
Last seen: 4 years, 6 months
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7876246 - 01/13/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

its sad.

we teach these young men and women how to effectively use violence to solve problems.

It's no wonder that it becomes a hard habit to break when they are re-introduced to "civilization."


--------------------
If it weren't for the bloody corpses, I wouldn't have any corpses at all.

There are two ways to get to the top of an oak tree: start climbing or sit on an acorn.

Are you a carrot, an egg, or a coffee bean?


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTangerines
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 17,918
Loc: woodwork Flag
Last seen: 4 years, 23 days
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: MrBump]
    #7876391 - 01/13/08 11:25 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Yea dude I knew just blew his brains out :suicide: a week ago or so. I knew him, on and off, for like 12 years. Mostly off. but I knew him so its weird.

EDIT- oh he did two tours in some marine division in iraq.


Edited by Tangerines (01/13/08 11:25 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCrasher
αἱρετίζω
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/13/01
Posts: 6,220
Loc: Tardy to the Party
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Tangerines]
    #7876455 - 01/13/08 11:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

They were already unstable- the military just ignores it and uses it to their advantage.


--------------------
Give me silence, water, hope;
Give me struggle, iron, volcanoes...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAlteredAgain
Visual Alchemist
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/27/06
Posts: 11,181
Loc: Solar Circuit
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Crasher]
    #7877377 - 01/14/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

makes sense considering how easy it is to be admitted into the army. seems they'll take just about anyone these days.


--------------------


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblemycopsycho
Tit Inspector.
Male

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 06/17/04
Posts: 3,712
Loc: Going Nowhere Fast
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7877382 - 01/14/08 08:39 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

AlteredAgain said:
makes sense considering how easy it is to be admitted into the army. seems they'll take just about anyone these days.




yeah you can get a waiver for damn near anything.


--------------------
I Am The Sickness.

Diploid: I think adults have a right to make stupid decisions and it's nobody else's fucking business.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,287
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 5 months, 23 days
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7877568 - 01/14/08 09:46 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Its funny you say that. I graduated high school a year early and joined the army out of a misguided sense of adventure and the lure of quick monies. I got shipped out to basic in S.C. when I was 17.

7 weeks later, when I was almost done with basic, my medical records caught up with me there and they sent me home for having an undisclosed medical condition.

ASTHMA.

At the time, I was so mad. I couldn't believe they would do that. I had been running at least a mile a day for the last *2* months. I was so pissed. I'm sure nowadays they would have given me an inhaler and sent me back into barracks.

So I went home, and 6 months or a year later was 9/11.

Now I can't believe how lucky I was. I've completed two degrees in that time, which I could have spent dodging bullets from Akhmed's AK.

Some things are blessings in disguise....


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRandalFlagg
Stranger

Registered: 06/15/02
Posts: 15,608
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7919529 - 01/23/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Robot, check out this editorial which pretty much skewers that New York Times article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08020/850420-373.stm


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineStonedShroom
OG shroomerite
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/21/00
Posts: 10,876
Last seen: 6 months, 30 days
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Crasher]
    #7919764 - 01/23/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

Crasher said:
They were already unstable- the military just ignores it and uses it to their advantage.




That's what I was going to say!

These guys didn't join the army for college tuition, they wanted to kill people.

I believe they would have had committed some type of violent crime regardless of veteran status.


--------------------
We are not human beings going through a temporary spiritual experience.

We are spiritual beings going through a temporary human experience.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleOneMoreRobot3021
Male


Registered: 06/06/03
Posts: 61,024
Loc: the sky
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #7920202 - 01/23/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
Robot, check out this editorial which pretty much skewers that New York Times article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08020/850420-373.stm




VERY interesting, Randal. Thanks for posting.


--------------------
Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebmiles
artist
Male


Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 2,299
Loc: on the left side
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7920377 - 01/23/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

kind of unrelated:
my uncle was in Vietnam,
he was a gunner in a helicopter if i remember correctly.
he was under a lot of stress from what i hear,
and two men in his group got a couple guys killed
because they were acting stupid.
my uncle 'took them out back' and killed both of them.
he never got arrested for it, him and his group
blamed it on the vietnamese.
i haven't seen this guy in over a decade,
and i hear he is still pretty unstable.
war totally fucks people up.


--------------------
Never go with a hippy to a second location.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRipple
Ripple
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 21,014
Loc: the timbers of Fennario
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #7920528 - 01/23/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah I read that it's fucking disturbing as hell, our government sends these guys off to war and completely washes their hands of them.


--------------------
The bus came by and I got on that's when it all began!



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebmiles
artist
Male


Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 2,299
Loc: on the left side
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
    #7920538 - 01/23/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

war is old men talking and young men dieing.
i always liked that quote,
not sure who said it though.


--------------------
Never go with a hippy to a second location.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRipple
Ripple
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 21,014
Loc: the timbers of Fennario
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: bmiles]
    #7920587 - 01/23/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Actually I think it's from a movie, I'm too lazy to google it though.


--------------------
The bus came by and I got on that's when it all began!



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebmiles
artist
Male


Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 2,299
Loc: on the left side
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
    #7920606 - 01/23/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

haha yeah, same here. google takes too much energy.


--------------------
Never go with a hippy to a second location.


Edited by bmiles (01/23/08 04:54 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleRipple
Ripple
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 05/16/02
Posts: 21,014
Loc: the timbers of Fennario
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: bmiles]
    #7920620 - 01/23/08 04:55 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

heh.......


--------------------
The bus came by and I got on that's when it all began!



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekriminalelement
"jesus wept."
Female User Gallery


Registered: 09/26/07
Posts: 1,201
Loc: Ay! los popos estan aqui!
Last seen: 13 years, 6 months
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: Ripple]
    #7920809 - 01/23/08 05:27 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

My friend went to a marine academy.

Every day before lunch they sang a song that included the phrase "we're going to KILL KILL KILL for the THRILL" in the chorus.

He was 15.


--------------------
While there is a lower class, I am in it
While there is a criminal element, I am of it
While there is a soul in prison, I am not free.

Eugene V Debs


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebmiles
artist
Male


Registered: 12/31/07
Posts: 2,299
Loc: on the left side
Re: Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7920823 - 01/23/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

damn...
thats crazy.


--------------------
Never go with a hippy to a second location.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* California is dead last in quality of life in the US.
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Patlal 5,738 103 03/05/18 02:14 AM
by kent101
* Refused - The Deadly Rhythm trendalM 1,790 15 07/21/04 02:05 AM
by ekomstop
* Leaving America
( 1 2 3 all )
Adom 5,615 44 08/25/03 04:52 PM
by pattern
* pink floyd echoes
( 1 2 3 all )
stew248 5,336 52 06/03/05 02:40 AM
by Trip
* Grateful Dead 6/26/94 video???
( 1 2 all )
Pala 2,215 21 08/30/03 11:19 AM
by Infrared
* Grateful Dead show downloading help...(Get the music!)
( 1 2 all )
Lightningfractal 11,816 22 06/13/10 12:21 AM
by skunkjar
* Grateful Dead, the most dangerous band of all time
( 1 2 all )
LearyfanS 5,944 36 05/17/18 03:37 PM
by Boomer The Great
* America the evil. Interesting facts about our country.
( 1 2 all )
Scolecite 3,899 24 09/15/15 05:14 PM
by SoupSandwich

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
974 topic views. 4 members, 47 guests and 64 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.