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LSA suitable substitue for LSD?
    #7875882 - 01/13/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

*you can skip this if ya want* Let me preface this post by saying - I LOVE tripping. LSD is probably my favorite psychedelic. After trying both LSD and LSA, then expirementing with mushrooms again (keep in mind shrooms had previously been my favorite drug). I just can't go back to mushies. There is this overwhelming force of nature behind the mushies that just scream "DONT TAKE ME!!! MUSHROOMS AREN'T YOUR BAG BRO". I got this wierd body aching feeling that i never got with lsd or lsa, and i kept getting all of these totally un-cool thoughts that made me have a real bummer of a trip. When in reality, i should have been having the time of my life....It was like a giant weight was overpowering all the fun. And this wasn't even a strong dose by ANY measure, it was maybe 1.5g (with MAOI) from a tiny little chocolate.

LSx (lsd/lsa) on the other hand, wow what can i say. I have THE most amazing time, even though the LSA makes me feel very naseuated from the gitty-up, after i pull a tube and chill out, that all goes away and i proceed to TRIP BALLS for the next 12+ hours. I really can't find any difference between LSA and LSD except for the nausea, the method of ingestion, the lSA giving me a much colder feeling, and the fact that i've always tripped 100x harder on LSA than any other substance i've ever taken.

Alright so now to my question: is LSA (specifically HBWR) a SAFE alternative to LSD?
I've read a lot of stuff on how LSA has poisonous toxins in it, how its possible to overdose accidentally. That it can (literally) make you go insane (???WTF???). How it contains cyanide. How it can give you ergot poisoning. so on and so forth.

I really dont want to fuck myself up from trippin on LSA far too often.  :] :] :]

thanks & trip safe!

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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Helpme1]
    #7875978 - 01/13/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Isn't some amount of LSA's effects attributable to its anti-cholinergic effects?


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Querjek]
    #7875997 - 01/13/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i haven't done either but i'm pretty sure it would be easier to get LSD. i've only heard of people getting LSA from morning glory and i would say that it's much safer dosing a hit than 500 seeds of morning glory (and much tastier!)


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Querjek]
    #7876007 - 01/13/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

The woody husks on Baby Hawaiian Woodrose contains cyanogenic gycosides that can be metabolized into cyanide in your body, but I imagine the amount necessary to be fatal is beyond anything you can do.

There's no 100% safe substance to abuse, but I think LSA taken recreationally, especially if you remove the seed covering on BHWR, is fine.

5-12 BHWR seeds is fine for most people, as opposed to however many MG seeds you'd need.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Crasher] * 1
    #7876107 - 01/13/08 10:08 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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The woody husks on Baby Hawaiian Woodrose contains cyanogenic gycosides that can be metabolized into cyanide in your body, but I imagine the amount necessary to be fatal is beyond anything you can do.






You know I have yet to find a reliable resource which says that is true.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Crasher]
    #7876116 - 01/13/08 10:09 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

LSA has no anticholigernic effect. I'm pretty hazy on the meaning of this as i just looked it up. But from what I can read it is the class of drug like datura...Datura and LSA are so far from eachother its scary. LSA is a true psychedelic.

And yes I agree, there is no safe substance to abuse! I meant by tripping often on...maybe once a month tops. 12 times in one year sounds like a pretty un-safe number of HBWR trips. I wouldn't however bat an eye to 12 lsd trips, hell even upwards of 20 lsd trips wouldn't really bother me.

But yeh, more input would be greatly apprciated :]


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Helpme1]
    #7876952 - 01/14/08 02:18 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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*you can skip this if ya want* Let me preface this post by saying - I LOVE tripping. LSD is probably my favorite psychedelic. After trying both LSD and LSA, then expirementing with mushrooms again (keep in mind shrooms had previously been my favorite drug). I just can't go back to mushies. There is this overwhelming force of nature behind the mushies that just scream "DONT TAKE ME!!! MUSHROOMS AREN'T YOUR BAG BRO". I got this wierd body aching feeling that i never got with lsd or lsa, and i kept getting all of these totally un-cool thoughts that made me have a real bummer of a trip. When in reality, i should have been having the time of my life....It was like a giant weight was overpowering all the fun. And this wasn't even a strong dose by ANY measure, it was maybe 1.5g (with MAOI) from a tiny little chocolate.

LSx (lsd/lsa) on the other hand, wow what can i say. I have THE most amazing time, even though the LSA makes me feel very naseuated from the gitty-up, after i pull a tube and chill out, that all goes away and i proceed to TRIP BALLS for the next 12+ hours. I really can't find any difference between LSA and LSD except for the nausea, the method of ingestion, the lSA giving me a much colder feeling, and the fact that i've always tripped 100x harder on LSA than any other substance i've ever taken.

Alright so now to my question: is LSA (specifically HBWR) a SAFE alternative to LSD?
I've read a lot of stuff on how LSA has poisonous toxins in it, how its possible to overdose accidentally. That it can (literally) make you go insane (???WTF???). How it contains cyanide. How it can give you ergot poisoning. so on and so forth.

I really dont want to fuck myself up from trippin on LSA far too often.  :] :] :]

thanks & trip safe!

:lsd:




Safe yes, although having tried both LSA & LSD in the past I have to say there is a HUGE difference between the two.  LSD is like 20x more psychedelic for me, maybe I haven't done a fat enough dose of LSA yet?


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Dioxyde]
    #7876978 - 01/14/08 02:38 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

HBWR seeds are very good. They're simply the ultimate LSA delivery known to man. And I wouldn't expect that they're any worse for your body than shrooms or acid. Though the seeds contain some ergotamines (namely the ones you want), they evidently don't contain the ones that will make your limbs fall off.

And as for going crazy from eating LSA seeds... what the hell? Haven't they been saying that about every psychedelic under the sun, including pot? Haven't you gained a filter by now? :laugh:


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7877075 - 01/14/08 04:26 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

On LSA I feel slightly "drunk" body high. In that I feel (comfortably :laugh:) numb, co-ordination is lost slightly, and I feel extremely relaxed. However, my mind isn't the same as when I'm drunk, thoughts flow very easily and don't disapate as they sometimes do with a sober/drunk mind.
LSA has never given me intense visuals, some CEV's and distortion of objects (breathing/morphing slightly).

I like LSA a lot (HBWS) and the trip is definitely worth the nausea.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #7877170 - 01/14/08 06:29 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

LSA does constrict your body's blood vessels. Occasional recreational use shouldn't do any lasting harm, though.

Nausea and cramps can be avoided with the proper extraction techniques. If you like it that much it really would be worth looking into, because it gets even better.

But, watch out! If you take more than enough, it will stomp down on you hard. Make sure you know how much you are taking!


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: 04281969]
    #7877790 - 01/14/08 11:10 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

LSA + Peppermint oil = LSH (Very close to LSD)


There was a thread on it awhile back.


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Re: Detailed Information [Re: Ludovic Che]
    #10793084 - 08/03/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

i prefer LSA over LSD and dont consider it a substitue at all each to their own but pure LSA produces a better feeling for me for sure A. it has clean vibes and B. it doesnt inhibit sleeping


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #13846200 - 01/25/11 05:15 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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I like LSA a lot (HBWS) and the trip is definitely worth the nausea.




I just did LSA i never felt so much nausia in my life. I barfed for like 5 min then i felt my bones pop in my neck and I stopped barfing. I feel like im heavely drunk but weak and sick at the same time. Im never doing this drug again. Its not worth it! There is nothing special about it except the sickness goes away in waves. very bad drug. I don't know how you could compare this to LSD its more like being drunk compare it to alchole.. oh i did those happy caps 4 of them...Im not very happy I used to love drugs now i hate them. If i did 4 hits of acid im sure i would be tracing. oh well they are kicking in a little now. Its okay but the nausia is not worth it. I have felt better when i was drunk and throwing up. This is like a mild acid feeling but only because it made you the most sick you have ever been in your life. iTs sick i felt more high smoking weed. weed feels more like acid compared to this. Not for me again. I don't recomend it. I threw up again after i wrote this. not very pleasent. the trip feel sick and like extreme death. after the sickness the death kicks in and its worse then weed, acid, peppermint or anything. yeah to each their own. If you don't like feeling good from being sick DON"T DO THIS! Its been 3 hours now and im not even tracing. This fucking stinks i don't even want drugs ever again after this. i quess it surved its purpose I was an alcoholic. I don't know how i could ever do any substance again after this trip.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: lordsmaylead]
    #13846270 - 01/25/11 06:11 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

nausea?  just take some ginger.  it really helps.  and please please don't eat unless you have an empty stomach


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Re: Detailed Information [Re: thedudenj]
    #13846507 - 01/25/11 07:59 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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maybe I haven't done a fat enough dose of LSA yet?




This.


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i prefer LSA over LSD and dont consider it a substitue at all each to their own but pure LSA produces a better feeling for me for sure A. it has clean vibes and B. it doesnt inhibit sleeping




Agreed.


My LSA and LSD trips were both very different.  LSD provided a lot more OEV's, but also a very clouded mind; I often got confused or completely forgot everything that I was currently thinking (resulting in me not remembering a lot of the trip).  LSA proved to be it's older, calmer, darker brother.  The OEV's were a bit less intense, visuals were 'darker', but my mind was extremely clear and I can remember everything that happened.  I'd say the intensity of my trips were about equal.

I'd definitely give it a shot if you love LSD as much as you say you do.  The nausea doesn't last that long and goes away once you puke/start tripping.

Vasoconstriction is a bit unsettling at first, but as long as you accept that it isn't going to kill you (unless you took a ridiculous dose) you'll be fine.  Many say not to exceed 500-800 seeds (as the negative effects increase, but the positive do  not).  I'd keep away if you already have heart problems or bad circulation.  Otherwise, you should be good to go!

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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #13846825 - 01/25/11 09:32 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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LSA + Peppermint oil = LSH (Very close to LSD)


There was a thread on it awhile back.





I've always wondered if this really works. Nobody seems to post much info on it aside from 69ron, who usually says it's quite "hit or miss" when trying it. Everybody else seems to have their doubts.


Has anybody over in the chemistry/pharmacology forum ever discussed this? I feel like they would be able to give a pretty decisive answer.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Remix]
    #13846931 - 01/25/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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LSA + Peppermint oil = LSH (Very close to LSD)


There was a thread on it awhile back.





I've always wondered if this really works. Nobody seems to post much info on it aside from 69ron, who usually says it's quite "hit or miss" when trying it. Everybody else seems to have their doubts.


Has anybody over in the chemistry/pharmacology forum ever discussed this? I feel like they would be able to give a pretty decisive answer.




Not that I know of..

I do plan on trying it on my next LSA experience.  I'll be sure to top up some previous posts as to whether or not it's effective.


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Cynosure]
    #13847037 - 01/25/11 10:31 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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I just did LSA i never felt so much nausia in my life. I barfed for like 5 min then i felt my bones pop in my neck and I stopped barfing. I feel like im heavely drunk but weak and sick at the same time. Im never doing this drug again. Its not worth it! There is nothing special about it except the sickness goes away in waves. very bad drug. I don't know how you could compare this to LSD its more like being drunk compare it to alchole.. oh i did those happy caps 4 of them...Im not very happy I used to love drugs now i hate them. If i did 4 hits of acid im sure i would be tracing. oh well they are kicking in a little now. Its okay but the nausia is not worth it. I have felt better when i was drunk and throwing up. This is like a mild acid feeling but only because it made you the most sick you have ever been in your life. iTs sick i felt more high smoking weed. weed feels more like acid compared to this. Not for me again. I don't recomend it. I threw up again after i wrote this. not very pleasent. the trip feel sick and like extreme death. after the sickness the death kicks in and its worse then weed, acid, peppermint or anything. yeah to each their own. If you don't like feeling good from being sick DON"T DO THIS! Its been 3 hours now and im not even tracing. This fucking stinks i don't even want drugs ever again after this. i quess it surved its purpose I was an alcoholic. I don't know how i could ever do any substance again after this trip.




My experience exactly.
It was a horrible crippling sickness.
And it lasted all fucking day.
I will never touch those evil seeds again. AND I scraped off the coating as well.
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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #13847242 - 01/25/11 11:11 AM (13 years, 6 days ago)

My first time with HBWR seeds, I took 6 capsules filled with crushed up seeds that my friend gave me. Probably some of the worst nausea i've ever had in my life. I held it for about 40 minutes then puked up like a mouthful worth of spit/foam. I was with family in a car at this point so I felt like a piece of shit but just played it off like I felt sick. After the nausea died down though, I had a really hard time not grinning like an idiot, I felt so happy. The best explanation I can give of how my body felt is the moment before you're about to cum. That lasted for around 5 hours iirc. Overall I'd say it was worth it.


Oh yeah, and it turns out I took around 20 seeds. Fucking asshole was using me as a sort of guinea pig to tell if higher doses were worth it. Oh well, haha  :peace:


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Re: LSA suitable substitue for LSD? [Re: DUG]
    #13847857 - 01/25/11 12:56 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

Tried HBWR seeds and all i got next to nothing out of it except all the nasty side effects. A mildly drunk feeling mixed with terrible nausea however i didnt throw up and i tried the whole cold water extract with peppermint thing in hopes to convert the LSA to LSH and reduce the nausea but i dont think it worked.(now i connot stand peppermint tea) Not to mention the horrible vasoconstriction. I even noticed difficulty breathing!! No CEV's or OEV's just some trippy thoughts.

Now i'd imagine the reason for such variances in experiences with LSA is perhaps because of the differences in strains, growing conditions and how that influences the LSA/toxins content. In my and many others bad experiences with LSA could have been due to receiving a lousy batch of seeds that had minimal levels of LSA and high levels of toxins.

My advice if you're gonna try it out is to consume some ginger before hand and definitly have some bud nearby as well this really helped the vasoconstriction in my lungs when I smoked out of my bong(no tobacco).

I envy those that like LSA and say its better than acid cus it would be dope if i could just buy these cheap seeds whenever instead of waiting for Lucy to find me.....oh well another one off the checklist....


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