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NiamhNyx
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philosophical respect
#7875808 - 01/13/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was reading through the outline for my critical thinking course, and thought this little golden nugget ought to be posted here.
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. . .philosophy takes nothing for granted. Every single idea or value you cherish is up for debate. Take this course [or participate in this forum] only if you're ready to confront challenging problems with an adult mind. In philosophy, mutual respect doesn't mean pampering each other's ego, or reinforcing biased opinions, or pretending to accept a stated view so as to make others feel comfortable. Philosophical respect means something quite different: letting all interestingly different and sincerely held views be heard while subjecting every view equally to the test of critical examination. Criticism of someone's views should, however, never take the form of a personal attack but always exhibit courtesy. Try to muster a sympathetic understanding for diverse perspectives that come with differences in people's traits such as national origin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities or life experience.
The next time someone starts bitching about how unfair it is that thier views are being challenged they should be directed here. Likewise, this is also a good little reminder for those that tend towards mean-spiritedness in thier criticisms.
Edited by NiamhNyx (01/13/08 09:44 PM)
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7875964 - 01/13/08 09:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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i like that a lot. i try to keep with that a lot in my posts/conversation in real life and on here..
although it's tough dealing with idiots sometimes.. and sometimes i'm the idiot
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7876015 - 01/13/08 09:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: I was reading through the outline for my critical thinking course, and thought this little golden nugget ought to be posted here.
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. . .philosophy takes nothing for granted. Every single idea or value you cherish is up for debate. Take this course [or participate in this forum] only if you're ready to confront challenging problems with an adult mind. In philosophy, mutual respect doesn't mean pampering each other's ego, or reinforcing biased opinions, or pretending to accept a stated view so as to make others feel comfortable. Philosophical respect means something quite different: letting all interestingly different and sincerely held views be heard while subjecting every view equally to the test of critical examination. Criticism of someone's views should, however, never take the form of a personal attack but always exhibit courtesy. Try to muster a sympathetic understanding for diverse perspectives that come with differences in people's traits such as national origin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities or life experience.
The next time someone starts bitching about how unfair it is that thier views are being challenged they should be directed here. Likewise, this is also a good little reminder for those that tend towards mean-spiritedness in thier criticisms.
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That quotation is the heart and soul of P&S.
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Then I supposed it deserved to be stickied.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7876961 - 01/14/08 02:22 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Well, since the notion was already stickied and no one read that one, I'd say it deserves to not be stickied, because no no one will read it.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7877040 - 01/14/08 03:43 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Im completely in agreement with the intent of the author in writing that, at the same time when the author claims that the reader MUST be considerate in criticism,it really strikes me as someone who is very immature with philosophy. The author should know this will never happen, and cannot happen because of the vast differences of opinions, and the intensity of those different opinions.
Philosophers are in fact, "diseased" mentally.
Edited by krin (01/14/08 03:44 AM)
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7877560 - 01/14/08 09:44 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: I was reading through the outline for my critical thinking course, and thought this little golden nugget ought to be posted here.
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. . .philosophy takes nothing for granted. Every single idea or value you cherish is up for debate. Take this course [or participate in this forum] only if you're ready to confront challenging problems with an adult mind. In philosophy, mutual respect doesn't mean pampering each other's ego, or reinforcing biased opinions, or pretending to accept a stated view so as to make others feel comfortable. Philosophical respect means something quite different: letting all interestingly different and sincerely held views be heard while subjecting every view equally to the test of critical examination. Criticism of someone's views should, however, never take the form of a personal attack but always exhibit courtesy. Try to muster a sympathetic understanding for diverse perspectives that come with differences in people's traits such as national origin, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities or life experience.
The next time someone starts bitching about how unfair it is that thier views are being challenged they should be directed here. Likewise, this is also a good little reminder for those that tend towards mean-spiritedness in thier criticisms.
Good idea (to a point). I prefer the veiled troll and flame that cannot be proven. Blatant personalisms are a no-no however, as they are not creative.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: krin]
#7877762 - 01/14/08 10:59 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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krin said: Im completely in agreement with the intent of the author in writing that, at the same time when the author claims that the reader MUST be considerate in criticism,it really strikes me as someone who is very immature with philosophy. The author should know this will never happen, and cannot happen because of the vast differences of opinions, and the intensity of those different opinions.
Philosophers are in fact, "diseased" mentally.
You have a good point. However, this was written by my professor as a guideline for his classroom. I think that makes it a little more realistic and reasonable. It's his job to make the classroom an atmosphere in which people are able to learn and practice verbal argument without being utterly humiliated by the rudeness of other students. In the bigger world, there is not always quite so much consideration, yet it's something worth valuing anyhow. An argument is only stronger when it does not require the use of shame or humiliation to be accepted. Of course I, myself, have been known to be rather rude at times. I just think this quote is a good bit of advice to keep in mind around here.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7877774 - 01/14/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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And an afterthought:
I don't think 'mustering a sympathetic understanding' for other's views means accepting them or even thinking that they necessarily have a great deal of merit, it simply means recognizing and appreciating that people come from diverse backgrounds and thier views naturally reflect that. This only allows you to understand your opponent's argument in clearer terms, thus better enabling you to evaluate and possibly tear apart the argument. Or not tear it apart if the argument is strong. There are 'strong' arguments for all diversity of views. Recognizing that a view you disagree with has a strong argument does not necessitate adopting it.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7919527 - 01/23/08 11:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago) |
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Thank you, People have a hard time practicing what they preach, and it seems like the philosophy you follow can be adopted by many towards enlightenment. And having an attitude that if something doesn't work for you, it might work for others is nice. An eye-opener to say the least.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: nmajon]
#7933806 - 01/26/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Ph = BS
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fireworks_god said: That quotation is the heart and soul of P&S.
It ought to be.
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I think people ought to be refered to this thread every time they forget one of the two points raised in the OP.
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Re: philosophical respect [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7934679 - 01/26/08 12:09 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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I think people should be referred to a swift kick in the ass a few times daily. Most of them, anyways.
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you're probably right.
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