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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Doctor_Dick]
#12478016 - 04/29/10 02:39 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks for the tip DD, may try the same concept but with a HDPE milk jug. How do you attach the fish tank hose? Do those hoses hold up pretty well against solvents?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: danielx]
#12478033 - 04/29/10 02:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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danielx said: thanks for the tip DD, may try the same concept but with a HDPE milk jug. How do you attach the fish tank hose? Do those hoses hold up pretty well against solvents?
snip away alittle at the end of the bottle, just a small amount so your fish tank hose can fit in the their snug. should be snug enough that u can hold the bottle by the toob only.
yeah, hoses hold up awesome. used them with xylene, naphta and limo and they never lose their integrity
o ya ketchup bottles are hdpe not ppe. ppe is weaker, but is still okay for limonene
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
#12482187 - 04/30/10 07:02 AM (14 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are actives in the Saguaro Cacti. The green inner bark contains the highest concentration of alkaloids (and this is evident due to its extreme bitter taste), but theres not a whole lot about known about these alkaloids. The active alkaloids have been referenced as Gigantine, Carnegine, and Arizonine. Google the above to find out more about the alkaloids, but you may not find much. As an Arizonian I cant wait to try this for myself, and I'll give a full trip report once I do! To find out more about the actives in the Saguaro Cacti, visit: http://www.danielvitalis.com/2009/12/ever-tried-this-psychoactive-cactus/ It includes a video as well! Happy Trails!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: oxalic32]
#12588456 - 05/18/10 08:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perhaps not, as the already weak base would become even weaker when diluted with water.
Why not just proceed with the limonene tek? If you're going for a foodsafe tek, there's no reason not to try it out.
I mean, lye isn't the part of this tek that sucks to use, smells like shit, gives you headaches, and produces fumes that your neighbors might mistake for a meth lab!
If you do the this citrate tek right, you should be able to replace the xylene with limonene to no ill effect. The lye will have trouble coming over to the limonene layer, and whatever does migrate over will be neutralized by the citric acid (or whatever acid you choose), so there is no worry of lye in the final product.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#12808660 - 06/26/10 04:28 PM (14 years, 4 days ago) |
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What form of citric acid do you need?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: KYTErunner]
#13082383 - 08/21/10 10:55 AM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is there a reason to use such a small amount of citric acid water?
It seems ineffective to add ~25ml water to ~1qt xylene - couldn't you just double the amount of water w/ the same amount of citric acid and have the same effect?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: oxalic32]
#13083039 - 08/21/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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oxalic32 said: think you could use pickling lime instead of lye when doing this? I'd imagine you could. Sorry to bump an old thread, but i'm curious. I like food safe teks.
check this out:
http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/69ron%27s_D-Limonene_Mescaline_Extraction
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#14620175 - 06/15/11 11:15 PM (13 years, 15 days ago) |
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#20496480 - 08/30/14 06:07 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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any idea what i could be doing wrong that i don't seem to be getting any crystals when i freeze the citric acid solution? i didn't follow the lye/cactus/water ratio perfectly - but i kept adding lye until it stopped reacting, which worked in the past with DMT. i tried salting to reduce an emulsion, but it looks like the fat just soaked up the salt - its glittery now.
i'm having an emulsion problem and am very upset as i wasn't even supposed to be doing this. i'm drying out the citric acid from the first 3 pulls now, but i suspect it will only be citric acid residue - if that.
any help is greatly appreciated. sorry for not knowing what the fuck i'm doing and having to ask strangers for help, but i'm desperate! i have 450 grams of powder at stake and a lot of time and supplies.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entremanure]
#20526250 - 09/05/14 10:34 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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you decided to run a pound in one batch? well hrmmm.... you might try cooling down in the icebox to reduce the emulsion.
but i'm no chemist. just a thought.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#20584385 - 09/18/14 04:03 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quick question guys.I am getting ready to start this tek I have everything needed but just found out that the lid to my 1 gallon jug is aluminum it has a plastic seal would that be safe to use ?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: danielx]
#20624218 - 09/27/14 01:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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How risky is the success/fail ratio? i think id feel pretty shitty failing this as you wouldn't even have the cactus powder to go back on, and cactus is very expensive (from my standpoint but well worth the cash imo). seems a lot to lose, but also a lot to gain. But honestly from a non chemist aspect this tek seems very good but very dodgy in the sense of details (but i understand why as you can't do that) regarding chemistry.
Isn't lye (or maybe it was xylene i don't know?) very poisonous? Is there any chance of failure? like not evaporating all the lye out? is it possible to poison yourself doing this if you mess something up? and also what are the yields like? I've read most posts on this forum and seen some but id love to hear others as i don't understand how you get so much doses from 100g as i can usually only get 1-2 doses out of 100g if eating the skins plain how does that work? i realize that potency is very variable is that it? seems like theres more to that as in even potent cactus i need like 30-40g of bridge to really blast i have had like were 20g is getting pretty cray on potent shit but its rarer for me.
love to hear any inputs on this tek, and any idea as in working with caustic chemicals give me the creepies, especially ones that can cause impotence and other crazy shit if its not evaped all the way out, I'm not questing the tek I'm questioning my dumb stoner ass lol
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making my final decision ima just stick with the old easy way and eat the dried skins, theres not enough information on here for me to be confident in following these procedures i know my limits and I'm no chemist. less waste of time money and possibly losing everything for nothing or killing yourself. I know this is a easy procedure but i don't trust my abilities, ill just plunge my money else were into mycology now that I'm familiar with maybe try and grow some beech mushrooms.
also not tryna be a dick but theres a lot of bad information in this tek, you shouldn't use glass with lye or add lye to xylene too fast, glass can get eroded from this (although i doubt that would happen quick). I'm not even a chemist and i know this
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lettuceboletus12 said: making my final decision ima just stick with the old easy way and eat the dried skins, theres not enough information on here for me to be confident in following these procedures i know my limits and I'm no chemist. less waste of time money and possibly losing everything for nothing or killing yourself. I know this is a easy procedure but i don't trust my abilities, ill just plunge my money else were into mycology now that I'm familiar with maybe try and grow some beech mushrooms.
also not tryna be a dick but theres a lot of bad information in this tek, you shouldn't use glass with lye or add lye to xylene too fast, glass can get eroded from this (although i doubt that would happen quick). I'm not even a chemist and i know this
Try 69 rons or heavenly pursuits mescaline tek (found at the dmt ne xus forums) . These are teks with limonene as the nonpolar which is not as nasty as xylene and smells like oranges. Pro tip: KOH is superior to lye and CaOH for basifying cactus sludge.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom] 1
#21024263 - 12/25/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Reading this tek again it's actualy kinda...well.. shitty. Op has a fuckload of citric acid contaminant in the final product. To titrate with citric acid you need to use very dilute solution and a PH pen to make sure you dont drop below a ph of 5-6 when salting. Any excess citric acid that doesn't bond to the alkaloids will end up in your dish looking like sparkly crystals. Two grams of citric is extremely overshooting the titration. Let's say your nonpolar contained 800mg of mescaline and alks from the first pull, you salt that with 2 fucking grams of citric guess what: you got 1200 mg of unbonded acid in your dish and when it evaps your "mescaline" is less than 50% purity. Then you wonder why it takes a gram of your extract to trip hard.... what's worse is if you have a weak or inactive cactus and pull 0 mescaline with your nonpolar, salt with 2 grams of citric you'll end up with 2 grams of the same citric crystals after evap. Bro look at how clean and shiny this mescaline is!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom] 1
#21025082 - 12/25/14 03:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: Reading this tek again it's actualy kinda...well.. shitty. Op has a fuckload of citric acid contaminant in the final product. To titrate with citric acid you need to use very dilute solution and a PH pen to make sure you dont drop below a ph of 5-6 when salting. Any excess citric acid that doesn't bond to the alkaloids will end up in your dish looking like sparkly crystals. Two grams of citric is extremely overshooting the titration. Let's say your nonpolar contained 800mg of mescaline and alks from the first pull, you salt that with 2 fucking grams of citric guess what: you got 1200 mg of unbonded acid in your dish and when it evaps your "mescaline" is less than 50% purity. Then you wonder why it takes a gram of your extract to trip hard.... what's worse is if you have a weak or inactive cactus and pull 0 mescaline with your nonpolar, salt with 2 grams of citric you'll end up with 2 grams of the same citric crystals after evap. Bro look at how clean and shiny this mescaline is!
You sound like you know what you're doing, I think you should make up a simple TEK with the kind of explanations like you just wrote for all of the non-chemists.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: BigHeart]
#21037516 - 12/28/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd like to understand the extraction better--- would a FASA be better than this tek??
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#21038438 - 12/29/14 08:20 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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travelleler said: I'd like to understand the extraction better--- would a FASA be better than this tek??
Nobody does FASA for mescaline afaik. I think you may have problems getting it to precipitate out of the nonpolar like that esp if it's not anhydrous. You can crash it out of saturated mesc sulfate solution and acetone in the freezer as detailed in the dual solvent re-x thread on the Nexus. The teks I mentioned earlier in this thread are good too; just standard a/b or stb and then titrate to the proper concentration with an acid solution. This thread needs modifications to the original tek but it can work if you tweak it properly.
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