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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: nightbringer]
    #10654102 - 07/10/09 05:23 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Your probably going to lose a fair bit of mass when it dries.  I know mushrooms generally are 90% water.  Something in the 75-90% range for cactus sounds about right.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
    #10654121 - 07/10/09 05:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

according to clearwhitelight.org:

12 oz. fresh cactus = 1 oz. dried

That still doesn't tell me a lot about how much mescaline I'll get out of my cacti. I guess to play it safe, I'll let them grow at least 2 1/2 feet tall, maybe 3, but the problem will be waiting that long.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: nightbringer]
    #10654708 - 07/10/09 08:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10656091 - 07/11/09 02:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys.

That really white stuff in the last pic i posted dried up and when scraped it was like thin Styrofoam sheets.  Really light and when crushed it turned into a fine powder.  I can't get any pics up until the morning but i wanted to know if anyone else had encountered this and if it was normal?

edit - here are some pics, what do you guys think?  Does this stuff look normal?



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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
    #10658849 - 07/11/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, that is fine. 

Last time I extracted, I did five consecutive runs and put it all into a small glass jar.  I then added twice or three times as much hot distilled water to all of the powder and swirled it around.  In the bottom, little granules would not dissolve, but the hot water evaporated to fluff like what you show in your picture.  I noticed that 500mg of the fluffy stuff overfilled the scale's little cup.  And the effect was there (and good), but not heavy.  500mg of the other crystals filled about a third of the scale's cup and thoroughly kicked my ass.

My guess is that the fluffy stuff is a 1:1 bond? 

In any case, I'd suggest mixing all of your stuff together and testing it out for potency.  The good thing with mescaline is that it is forgiving.  And, you're not coming close to the LD50, so don't worry too much about it from that angle.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10658956 - 07/11/09 03:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Awesome, thanks for the quick reply, and again for the awesome tek!  I might try 600-700mg some time soon and see what that does.  I will keep you guys posted!

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
    #10687873 - 07/16/09 12:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

GOD DAMNIT DUDE I KEEP COMING OUT WITH BROWN CITRIC WATER THAT GETS ALL THICK ..... HOW DOES YOUR CITRIC WATER LOOK LIKE AFTER IT GOES THROUGH THE XYLENE IS THERE A BROWN OR A GREEN TINT .......FUCK........ 6 UNSUCCESSFUL BATCHES PISSED AM I

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10688954 - 07/16/09 04:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

When it turns brown and thickens to a syrup before drying out, then you have an excess of citric acid. 

Weak cactus?  Have you tried making a tea with it?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10691243 - 07/16/09 10:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

notta dude it tastes to horrible i agree weak cactus im not giving up there are so many factors that played a role i think.... i didnt remove that tough outer skin b4 i grinded it to powder..... the washing jar for the citric xylene wash was to big and it would leave water / xylene droplettes all over the jar..... i mixed the cactus lye water to much and made the xylene realy golden and it seemed like it didnt smell as potent. ive got powdered cactus that had the tough skin removed and i left the green underneath it, fresh xylene, and do you think i should use 1.5 grams of citric maybe less i was going to try vacume evap at 75 deg. so it will evaporate in 15 min. its the same process used to make powdered milk also i was thinking about a magnetic stir stick to put beneath the xylene so the catus water can stay moving while the xylene stays still

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10691754 - 07/17/09 12:28 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Earlier today i began a 50 gram extraction and now the first days seperated water/CA mix is in a jar in the fridge attempting to precipatate crystals. Its been 8 hours and theres no sign of crystals... The water isnt clear anymore slightly yellow  from being mixed with xylol and smells like the Xylol. Whenever i added the water to the xylol i shook it well and bubbles ended forming in the water layer which i didnt think looked good but i still seperated the water and put it in a jar in the fridge.... Is too much shaking when adding the water to xylol causing the lack of crystal precipitation or is there some other reason?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
    #10692772 - 07/17/09 07:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Pilz, put your jar into the freezer.
When it is frozen, pour off any xylol that might remain.
(You can even put some water on top real quick, then pour it off again.)

Then, wait for the ice to thaw. 
Any crystals will be at the bottom of the water.
Then just draw the water away with a dropper.
(Save the water and use it again for your last run.)

Shaking your xylene+water is fine, just wait long enough for everything to separate again.  You can even let the water sit in the xylene overnight if you want.  But xylene is slight miscible in water, so it will stink for a while.  (It's okay if you're evaporating because it is gone before the water.)

And remember that crystals won't want to form if the water is too acidic.  The balance of acid to alkaloids needs to be in correct proportion.  (Or at least in the ballpark.)

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
    #10692811 - 07/17/09 07:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Earlier today i began a 50 gram extraction and now the first days seperated water/CA mix is in a jar in the fridge attempting to precipatate crystals.




Did you wait 24 hours for the lye to break down the cactus material before you did your first extraction on it?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10693130 - 07/17/09 09:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ya i waited almost a day and a half to do the first extraction and while i was waiting i mixed it many times. I used 1g of citric with 120 ml of water then used 1/5th of that (20ml) for the first days pull.. i feel like the citric acid amount isnt enough or something else because i just froze and thawed out the water and no crystals formed under the thawing ice...

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
    #10693251 - 07/17/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You should have used 60ml of water.  Maybe it's too dilute.
Try evaporating the water and see what you get.


EDIT: Nevermind.  120ml is better.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10693299 - 07/17/09 10:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ok ill try evapping it now.. so next pull i should use 60 ml of the acidic water? wouldnt that only give me enough water for 2 days pulls with 120ml of water... how do i do 5 pulls over 5 days with 60ml of water per pull when theres only 120ml total?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
    #10693359 - 07/17/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, you wanted to mix 1g of citric acid into 120ml of distilled water, then use one quarter of the water each time.  Freeze, thaw, then collect water and save it for the fifth and final run. 

Or, you can use 1/5 of the water each time and evaporate everything.  This method might be what you want to start with.  Get some positive results before you try getting crystals to precipitate out.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10694748 - 07/17/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

cool thanks.....check this out ....grab a glass tube heat it up with a torch sink a stainless steel nail into it grab the motor from a record player or an oscolating fan glue a magnet to the motor place the jar on a platform right above the magnet put the tube with the nail in the jar and turn on the motor the tube will stir the lye water while it sits and breks the cellular walls down quicker just a theory.... later

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10694823 - 07/17/09 03:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

A magnetic stir might be nice.

Time works. 

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10701919 - 07/18/09 11:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i used the magnetic stir....., i pulled my xylene...... put my citric water in drop for drop.....i roled it for 10 min. and the citric water turned white and thick like milk does this sound right?????

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10702068 - 07/19/09 12:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

The white should be mescaline crystal slurry in suspension.  Separate your water and throw it in the freezer.

...Or since you already have so much crystalization happening, you might want to just remove as much xylol from the top that you can, then cap it (wash it off) and throw it into the freezer.  Then when frozen, pour off the xylene. 

Edited by 04281969 (07/19/09 10:45 AM)

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