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alkaloidian
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10607372 - 07/02/09 12:59 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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and about the freeze precipitate when the top layer starts to freeze is that to long?? thanks
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10610055 - 07/02/09 02:02 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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just ran into a friend who has mesc. citrate his is so pure i swear theres only 100 mg in each cap and its a good 6hr trip it makes me want to master this recipe the hardest part is to guess how many alkaloids are in your plant ....... this website is to cool to have only 3 people on... later everybody
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10615822 - 07/03/09 01:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am gathering materials getting ready to try this very straightforward procedure which makes it seem possible to a chemistry-challenged person such as myself. I have been looking at A/B extractions for years and this is the first one that makes me feel confident I could do it. I especially like not having to use HCL. However, my lack of experience and poor knowledge of chemistry has me very cautious about doing something harmful.
I just have some questions about the materials. When using the baster to take the xylene layer off of the lye/water/cactus will the rubber bulb on the baster pose a contamination threat when it contacts the xylene? Is there a special kind of bulb I need to look for? I really want to avoid harmful chemicals in the final product.
Another question is about the citric acid. I have this stuff called sour salt which is at most grocers in the kosher section. The only ingredient listed is citric acid, I just want to confirm that this is the stuff I need. Thanks for this great tek.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10616208 - 07/03/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I like this for it's simplicity, but I have seen waylit jim' tek on another site and it is a bit longer and requires much the same tool and there is no glass need for obvious reasons.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: hepacat]
#10616562 - 07/03/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So I put two 30 mL acid-salt portions into an evaporation dish. After all the water was gone, some crystal-like things remained (roughly 3 g total). However, I wanted to check the pH of these crystals... I dissolved a small bit of crystal into 0.5 mL H20... the pH came out at 14 straight. I dosed some (~0.3g) after neutralizing the basic solution to ph 7.
What went wrong/why were my crystals soooo basic?
(btw... I used HCl, not citric acid)
My theory is that during the grabbing of the xylene in the container, some 2.5 M NaOH seeped into the xylene mixture. Then, when this was added to the acidic solution the NaOH overpowered the HCl the solution turned basic. Also when I drank the neutralized solution, it tasted salty (NaCl).
So here is my plan for these crystals to get them to the HCl salt. 1. Find out how much mescaline I could theoretically have. 2. add a 3x excess of HCl to a solution of the crystals 3. dry in oven at 200 F (~95 C)
Edited by WonkierBubble (07/03/09 04:04 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: WonkierBubble]
#10616712 - 07/03/09 04:17 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I may be way off base (yuk yuk) with this answer, but aren't alkaloids of a high pH?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gopal]
#10620874 - 07/04/09 12:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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They are of reasonably high pH due to the amine groups on alkaloids and mescaline. But a few NH2 groups should not be pH 14... but I figured out my problem so it's all good.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: WonkierBubble]
#10627031 - 07/05/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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WonkierBubble said: They are of reasonably high pH due to the amine groups on alkaloids and mescaline. But a few NH2 groups should not be pH 14... but I figured out my problem so it's all good.
What was your solution?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10629352 - 07/06/09 10:44 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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alkaloidian said: just ran into a friend who has mesc. citrate his is so pure i swear theres only 100 mg in each cap and its a good 6hr trip it makes me want to master this recipe the hardest part is to guess how many alkaloids are in your plant ....... this website is to cool to have only 3 people on... later everybody
100mg?????I though the thresh hold dose of lab produced Hcl was 200mg.Sound like someone sold you some capitulated RC's.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10630502 - 07/06/09 01:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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How long should I wait to harvest these guys? The one on the left (Juul's Giant x T. pachanoi) is 14 inches tall. The one on the right (T. pachanoi x SS01) is 17 inches tall.
I was planning on extracting the taller one first, while I let the other grow... but I want to be sure I have enough to make a couple hundred capsules worth by the time I'm done. I was thinking let each get 2-3 feet tall?
Does anyone know what weight in skin you get on average from one inch of cactus? These are also supposed to be heavy on the alkaloids because they are hybrids.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gopal]
#10643104 - 07/08/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow! long time no see, this thread had 700 new posts since my last post.... 
so I did this tek 6 months ago-- don't worry Gopal, you don't need lots of chemistry experience just a basic understanding. I simply followed the tek instructions and had good results.
prior to my first complete trip we attended a wedding in Humboldt County and stayed up till sunrise drinking 2 days in a row. Then took two days after to recouperate at a campsite in Myers Flat. So the trip was only after smoking plenty of dank weed and drinking some really strong homebrewed ale and lots of sleep.
so my final product off 100g of cactus was like 4g of mesc. citrate (with extra plant alkaloid- not freeze precip) and on July 4th my pal and I both took approx 500mg. of the citrate salt which was diluted and disloved in drinking water. I tried to get some others to come with us on the trip but nobody had the balls to try it. After drinking the solution we both started to feel the effects in about 45-60min. we had driven a car from Garberville (CA) to Ferndale which took about 90min. and were both starting to trip by the time we arrived at the beach. (this trip is so Hunter S. Thompson) For the next 3 hours we set off fireworks (bottle-rockets, firecrackers, mortars, etc...) and smoked fresh bubble-hash in pseudo "war-like" re-creation.
all in all it was a mellow and enjoyable trip. while walking in the sand I got the sensation that i was walking through marshmallows and the night-sky with the milky-way visible looked sort of like cotton-candy strands studded with glittering stars. we both felt totally relaxed like we could have fallen asleep. Nothing bothered us, no anxiety and no paranoia. It was very easy to leave worldly worries behind and just enjoy the time-out. next time I want 800-1000mg.
time/place/setting make all the difference in the world. I'd guess it would be best at am overnight function such as camping vacation, overnight concert, road-trip (where you don't have to drive) or on an extended hike. I think trying to do daily tasks or thinking of normal things would become difficult or tiresome under the influence of mescaline. So for your enjoyment, plan to be on "vacation" for about 24-48 hours following your experience.
we stayed up until dawn woke at 10am broke camp and drove 200miles-- Can't say that I actually slept but rather had a ton of strange visions while trying to sleep. It would have been much better to have an extra day or two to recouperate though there was no hangover or pain associated with the trip... the physical exhaustion of partying for 5 days consecutive had taken it's toll. Upon arriving home we both slept for about 16hours.
I 'highly' recommend this tek to anyone and everyone.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#10644866 - 07/08/09 10:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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travelleler said:[/] so my final product off 100g of cactus was like 4g of mesc. citrate
How tall was the piece of the cactus that gave you 100g? I'm trying to calculate the weight of my own cacti.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: nightbringer]
#10645691 - 07/09/09 02:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Probably pre-dried. Best way to find out is to skin it and dry it yourself.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
#10646719 - 07/09/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay I've been reading a lot about the trips people are having on mescaline crystal lately and I was always under the impression you enter a dream like vision state? Many people are posting trips similar to a blend of mushrooms and LSD IMO, anyone achieve any profound effects such as vision quests?
I have 700 mg of mescaline hcl I got in a trade and I might just down it all, or at least 500 mg, I want this to be the most amazing trip I've ever had (first mescaline experience).
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TheMerryGangster said: Okay I've been reading a lot about the trips people are having on mescaline crystal lately and I was always under the impression you enter a dream like vision state? Many people are posting trips similar to a blend of mushrooms and LSD IMO, anyone achieve any profound effects such as vision quests?
I have 700 mg of mescaline hcl I got in a trade and I might just down it all, or at least 500 mg, I want this to be the most amazing trip I've ever had (first mescaline experience).
maybe start off with a 200mg experience, then save the 500mg for the next
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10647988 - 07/09/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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The first pic is as it was beginning to appear, the next was taken a few hours after. Does this look like it is mostly citric acid or mescaline citrate? Some of it looks granular like the citric acid although in the second(blurrier) picture you can kind of see flat circular structures near the bottom, which im guessing is my mesc citrate. These are the results of 2 pulls from 2 jugs combined to evaporate. I'm going to pull more later tonight hopefully getting more goodies.
Maybe i will evaporate some citric acid water alone to get a good comparison of what that looks like evaporated by itself.
Thanks for any input.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
#10650081 - 07/09/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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nope that looks about like it should-- if you followed the tek then it will be mesc. citrate.
nightbringer--- I started with dried cactus, so i couldn't guess how much fresh cactus that might be.
MerryGangster-- if you are looking for a profound trip take all 700mg. disolve in warm water (a la huxley) and drink it down. where you go depends on your mindfullness of the element and the nature of the psychedelic mind. If you have never tripped before be sure to get a couple experienced friends to hang out with you.
as far as comparisons-- mescaline is IMHO way better than shrooms, no aanxiety or paranoia, Not very much physical discomfort and lots of giggles... not too introspective, unless you need it to be. Id say it's more like all the best parts of LSD with the best parts of shrooms but all wrapped into a entirely different 'channel'... if that makes any sense.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#10650297 - 07/09/09 10:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is the result of 5 pulls combined from a few jugs. About 246mg per pull on average so far. Looks like cornflakes! Its a crystalline but its a bit gummy, is that anything i should be concerned about or that i could clean up? Maybe a soak in hot distilled water then freeze it again?
Also a tiny bit of xylene has been getting in my acid water, It's 100% xylene and that company i got it from has verified that, so I'm assuming it has just evaporated away. It doesn't smell like xylene anymore anyways. Should be safe?
Thanks for the tek and any help!
Edited by ggpr (07/12/09 11:52 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
#10654055 - 07/10/09 05:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Last nights pulls that are currently drying, looks like quite a bit more than before!!! I'm super excited to try this stuff!!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ggpr]
#10654072 - 07/10/09 05:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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so has anyone here worked with fresh cactus? does it lose a lot of its mass when it's dried?
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