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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10571444 - 06/25/09 02:44 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

dude i think i know what im doing wrong am i correct when i say that your adding 3/4 of an ounce of water to the xylene??

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10572343 - 06/25/09 05:16 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

Yea, about three-quarters of a fluid ounce of acidic water each time through the quart of xylene.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10578127 - 06/26/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

so do you grind your own cuctus or do you buy the powder cactus online and do you use distilled in the powdered cactus or tap well later dude

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10578342 - 06/26/09 06:40 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Powdered cactus irritates my nose and throat, so I throw dry skins into the blender with some water (around 50g to 3 cups).  And, I always use distilled water.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10580374 - 06/27/09 03:06 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

well if you need some powder skins let me know ive got hundreds of grams of the skin so what happened to every one on the site they dont use it anymore they got the recipe and dont even chat??

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10581054 - 06/27/09 10:07 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah, that's right.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10581136 - 06/27/09 10:33 AM (15 years, 3 days ago)

I'm glad to see your still patient enough to answer questions and such 04281969. Once again thanks for the intro into chemistry. I've came a long way since I first made mescaline :yesnod:.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ethnoguy]
    #10581454 - 06/27/09 12:36 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

well right on man im gonna extract my first pull with the right recipe later

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10582102 - 06/27/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

when i skin my cactus and let the skins dry i noticed on some spots on the underside of the skin it goes blood red only on particular pieces the temp is around 105 in the sun probably hotter have you noticed this b4 and do you know if you can double up on powder cactuc without changing the recipe would the 29ml of citric soulution be more pure the reason i ask is the issue with the lye that shits hot... in short i think im gonna collect 100grams of the red pieces and try to make it let me know how much you have expirimented with different parts of the cactus so i dont waist time

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10582130 - 06/27/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 3 days ago)

You don't need to dry the skins, just throw them into the blender and adjust the water you would use to dilute the lye.  No biggie. 

Yea, lye solution gets hot.  Patience is a virtue with mescaline. 

I've noticed some red discoloration in skins before.  I don't think it is anything to worry about.  Mescaline is a very hearty compound.

This recipe is a good place to start from and it should work well with most cacti.  Experiment and see what works best for the specific cactus that you have.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #10587314 - 06/28/09 04:28 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

So I am nearing step 3 of this extraction. Currently, I have the NaOH-xylene-cactus solution doing its thing, and it will be ready in 5 hours.

Instead of citric acid, I am using Hydrochloric acid, because I have it on hand.

I just want to check my calculations to be sure I am using the right amount of HCl.

So 2g Citric acid/191.124g/mol gives 0.01041 mols Citric Acid. So mols of HCl = Citric acid so mols HCl = O.01041 mols. Now, since I have concentrated 12M HCl, 0.01041mols/12M gives 0.867 mL 12M HCl.

Also regarding this tek... isn't putting concentrated (in this case, ~2.5M) NaOH into glass a bad idea b/c it etches glass...?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: WonkierBubble]
    #10587472 - 06/28/09 04:55 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

be careful though wonkier

each citrate can link up to two mescaline molecules

where as HCL can't. (maybe? need confirmation on this but I remember reading this somewhere in the thread)

someone else might be able to help you more specifically and directly..

so don't put much stock into what i'm suggesting but I don't think it is safe to assume that moles HCl = moles citrate


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: floatingwater]
    #10588224 - 06/28/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 2 days ago)

If we look at the mescaline structure, we see that upon addition of HCl, the mescaline will be protonated at the amine group. Since there is only one site of protonation, giving a +1 formal charge on the amine, the Cl- with a -1 formal charge must be a 1 to 1 ratio for charge balance.

I'm not sure about any of this actually... are the three CH3-O-ring groups acidic?

Ah I'm getting confused now... citrate has a 3- charge... it would link up three mescaline molecules then??

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: WonkierBubble]
    #10590312 - 06/29/09 01:01 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

sup dawg waiting on finished product to post pictures i was wondering does uv destroy alkaloids and have you ever tried to extract the peruvian torch... later dawg

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10591135 - 06/29/09 07:03 AM (15 years, 2 days ago)

Al li use is P torch

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #10595374 - 06/29/09 11:45 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

how great is the difference in alkaloid content between the two.... thanks again for your help mad appreciated and would anyone want to give me a step by step method to freeze precipitate thank you

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10595558 - 06/30/09 12:30 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

Step by step procedure for freeze precipitation:

1: Take your solution of acid & mescaline
2: Put it in a cold ass fucking freezer
3: Don't peak
4: When gorgeous little snowflakes start falling out of the solution, take it out of the freezer
5: Pour into a large flat glass dish and leave out until it is dry
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #10597529 - 06/30/09 12:19 PM (15 years, 18 hours ago)

thanks dude mad props im not worthy... your the myth the man the legend of mescaline citrate

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
    #10605077 - 07/01/09 05:39 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds interesting, I'm going to try this out as soon as i can.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Elderlyone]
    #10605298 - 07/01/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

has anyone tried this ..... correct me if im wrong..... citric has 4 binding points to alkaloids hydrochloric has 1 but the say hydrochloric gives you a more pure product couldnt you use the citric to find the alkaloids and then add a drop of hydrochloric to to srip the alkaloids off the citric and then wash point being that citric finds alkaloids faster and collects more but hydrochloric gives you a more pure product just a theory

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