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DNBplus
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: crazyboy25]
#10475711 - 06/09/09 05:09 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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you can freeze precipitate the citrate crystals out of the water.Or you could follow the tek until you get to the part where you add your citric acid and instead of adding citric acid add HCL!! Pretty simple,or fuck if you wanted to add sulfuric acid and make some mescalin sulfate.I will say this much,if you are worried about the "does"I will tell you from personal experience that 900mg will rock your dome,500mg is probably a more pleasant trip.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10476084 - 06/09/09 08:45 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'm sure this is in the thread somewhere, but here it is again:
You can estimate purity by weight.
Starting with 2g of citric acid, and ending with 5g of end product, you can reasonably assume that 3g are "other alkaloids including (mostly) mescaline".
Considering the molecular weight of both, this means roughly a 2:1 mescaline to citric acid ratio.
(You would need to do a total evaporation on every extraction [no freeze precipitation] in order to determine the true alkaloid weight gain.)
Recrystallization removes impurities, and that makes dosing pretty predictable.
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It is cheaper and easier (and uses fewer chemicals) to purify citrate through freeze crystallization than HCl with an acetone wash. But, you can do what you want.
-------------------- HCL x 1.63 = M.C. H2SO4 x 1.3 = M.C. H2SO4 x .80 = HCL M.C. x .61 = HCL M.C. x .77 = H2SO4 HCL x 1.25 = H2SO4
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DNBplus
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10476569 - 06/09/09 11:11 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I am perfectly content with the finished product after evaporation  does the trick for me without nausea
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10482344 - 06/10/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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I will be giving this method a shot either this weekend or the next. I've extracted DMT so I am fairly experienced with doing teks like this one. I should be able to write back on how well it went. I also notice that some people are weary of trying this method because of other people posting that it doesn't work.. well if it works for me I will post up pictures and the whole works.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10559271 - 06/23/09 12:58 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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what the hell does it mean when you have gray crystals should i wash im kinda new at the mescaloid extraction im a pro at cannaboid extraction hit me up dude plz i need some answers
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10559318 - 06/23/09 01:08 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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gray??????Thats a good question.Is your finished product a nice fine powder or is it kind of clumpy and sticky?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10561078 - 06/23/09 07:35 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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it was powder and i used hydrchloric instead of citric my buddy took 75 mg and felt a head change a couple of qs i had was why does the xylene go green? when i put it in a jar with the acid water and wait 24 hours the xylene goes clear. does this represent the swapping of the alkaloids? is there a specific amount of time you wait with the xylene acid water mix? if i have muratic acid/35% hydrochloric acid how much acid to how much distilled water would i use for a single 1 quart xylene extration? if i decide to use citric acid where can you find pure thats not ordering online im gonna toke and wait for answers later from phoenix
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alkaloidian
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10561150 - 06/23/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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how do you extract the crystals from the cold water and is that method ok to use with mescaline chloride sorry for all the questions
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10561306 - 06/23/09 08:16 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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i have been reading some of the comments refering to the hydrochloric way and alot of people seem to get a little pi ssed at the method please relise this that we are stoners without credit cards and cant just get citric acid at joes hardware so please dont be so bios on all the methods state laws vary and certain supplies are harder to get like citric acid in phoenix almost impossible but hchl acid can be bought for 6.99 for a gallon pretty efficient to use hchl doesnt it and these sights exist for people that dont give a damn about what the government thinks about us we talk about it openly and post it on a web site right so please no hate answers plz
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10561397 - 06/23/09 08:35 PM (15 years, 7 days ago) |
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one last thing living in az theres a shit load of dust in the air no matter where you go. do you have any tips on that and i cant find a glass turkey baster so i have been using a soup spuddle/ deep spoon a little xylene is left in the pyrex pan before evaporation is that bad?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10563828 - 06/24/09 09:11 AM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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LOL I hear you man.Go to the Herb shop(not GNC) and ask for citric acid.Shit is like 1 dollar per once. I have tried the HCL tek and have had shitty results,so I have been sticking to the citrate tek. And as for why the xylene turns green the only answer I have for that(and I am not positive)is that it is chlorophyll.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10563835 - 06/24/09 09:13 AM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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and also form what have been told,when using HCL you must fully evaporate the acidic water and then wash it with acetone.I do not think you can freeze precipitate the crystals out.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10564518 - 06/24/09 12:20 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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k thanks dawg ill try the herb shop and also i let the xylene acid water sit in the sun for a day and the green cleared up well thanx again later everybody
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#10566337 - 06/24/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
DNBplus said: and also form what have been told,when using HCL you must fully evaporate the acidic water and then wash it with acetone.I do not think you can freeze precipitate the crystals out.
You can freeze precipitate with HCl and an acetone wash is not necessary and may be detrimental.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
#10567790 - 06/24/09 10:48 PM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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sup alkaloidians got citric acid and it only took 12 gallons of gas...... lol. ive got a batch of 4 pulls off of hcl sitting and in the name of science im going to add the first citric pull to the batch if you have done this before then let me know how it went ive been wondering what the ph of your acid water should be after you wash with xylene... i also noticed that if you cover your evaporation container with a piece of cardboard it will keep the dust out plus speed up evaporation... oh yeah after the xylene wash my water was 2.3 let me know if anyone has an idea they want me to try i live in the land of san pedro shit grows everywhere like 10 foot green arms in clusters of 15 to 20 its beautiful later from phoenix
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10569336 - 06/25/09 06:08 AM (15 years, 6 days ago) |
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Your water should be pretty much neutral if you have all of your acid's bonds linked up to alkaloids (6 is good when using citric acid). A little more acidic is all right if you're using HCl because it evaporates away. If you're using citric acid and your water's ending pH is 2.3, you'll want to freeze out what crystals you can get, (remove the water and dry the crystals), then reuse that water for another pull.
I haven't experimented with HCL, but I wouldn't worry about impurities or mixing citrate with the small amount you're dealing with. It will be gone soon enough.
Unless you're talking about evaporating them together? I don't think there should be a problem with it, but you could always wait until you collect the HCl and the dish is free.
Edited by 04281969 (06/25/09 06:31 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#10570939 - 06/25/09 01:38 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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how hot does an evaperation dish get???
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10570960 - 06/25/09 01:41 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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what is the best way to seperate the crystals should i use a 200 micron screen or can i use a coffee filter
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10571052 - 06/25/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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yes im evaporatindg together.... have you ever grinded up the spine and tried to use it also i was wondering if you ever let it all sperate in the jar and discected it yet layer for layer i realise that some of the layers are small but i think i have enough of each now that i can try im realy curiouse to know what layer contains the most ....... later on.. by the way how many sucsessful pulls have you gotten by this method ill understand if you dont want to say
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: alkaloidian]
#10571075 - 06/25/09 01:54 PM (15 years, 5 days ago) |
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I've found the best way to separate the water from the crystals is to use a long dropper pipette. Then add some hot distilled water to dissolve the mescaline crystals so that transfer to your evaporation dish is a little easier. And, my evaporation dish is kept at room temp.
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